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I don't think he knew about that last proof of life photo she sent JL. Wasn't he asked about that brown towel by LE on one of the many interviews? I hope he didn't think anyone would know about that towel and maybe that could be one thing that gets him.The brown towel in or around the shallow grave would be the “cherry on top” wouldn’t it? Not holding out much hope for that, but it’s a nice thought. Even I have a hard time thinking he could be THAT dumb.
I think he either buried her in the clothing she changed into.... perhaps the white fringe top and shorts, or the bikini. But also he could have put her body into biking clothing in an attempt to complete his staging scenario... imo
IMO MOO BBMDid Barry want Suzanne found? Here's why I give that a strong no.
The planting of the helmet served two purposes:
In Barry's dumb (you know what) mind, it helped sell the abduction theory.
It was planted in both the opposite direction of where Barry traveled that morning, and away from where her body was eventually located.
Barry would have been concerned that the body would provide evidence against him, and he wouldn't take that risk.
Yes, there is a financial component to the motive, insomuch as Barry wanted to keep what he had; divorce would upend the lifestyle to which he had become accustomed (namely the house).
The shallow grave indicates that Barry hadn't given the body disposal a great deal of thought, that, or something went wrong that night that altered his plans. He was trying to get away with murder, and from what we know about how his mind works, and how this all likely went down, I just can't make that idea work (wanting her found).
With that in mind, no, I don't think he did anything creative, like re-dressing her body. If she's gone forever, then who cares about what she's wearing? There is a period of time where her communication with Jeff ceases, and Barry has yet to return home. Assuming that she was wearing her bathing suit when she was messaging Jeff, and assuming that the defense was correct when they claimed the bathing suit was hanging up (no push back from the prosecution), then I think she was changing during that period.
Suzanne is either going to be found nude (Barry might take clothes off but I just don't see him putting clothes on), or she's going to be found with clothing items that are not biking clothes. I'm hoping for the latter, as that would prove absolutely devastating to Barry's defense.
I hadn’t settled in my mind whether he wanted her found or not. I’m settled now. He did not. Another reason for this is her fingernails. They too would have sunk him good. Is it too much to hope for that they may still tell a tale if found?Did Barry want Suzanne found? Here's why I give that a strong no.
The planting of the helmet served two purposes:
In Barry's dumb (you know what) mind, it helped sell the abduction theory.
It was planted in both the opposite direction of where Barry traveled that morning, and away from where her body was eventually located.
Barry would have been concerned that the body would provide evidence against him, and he wouldn't take that risk.
Yes, there is a financial component to the motive, insomuch as Barry wanted to keep what he had; divorce would upend the lifestyle to which he had become accustomed (namely the house).
The shallow grave indicates that Barry hadn't given the body disposal a great deal of thought, that, or something went wrong that night that altered his plans. He was trying to get away with murder, and from what we know about how his mind works, and how this all likely went down, I just can't make that idea work (wanting her found).
With that in mind, no, I don't think he did anything creative, like re-dressing her body. If she's gone forever, then who cares about what she's wearing? There is a period of time where her communication with Jeff ceases, and Barry has yet to return home. Assuming that she was wearing her bathing suit when she was messaging Jeff, and assuming that the defense was correct when they claimed the bathing suit was hanging up (no push back from the prosecution), then I think she was changing during that period.
Suzanne is either going to be found nude (Barry might take clothes off but I just don't see him putting clothes on), or she's going to be found with clothing items that are not biking clothes. I'm hoping for the latter, as that would prove absolutely devastating to Barry's defense.
I remember, that the woman, who heard machines running, heard also voices of a man and a woman talking in the dark of the night. Maybe, this talking woman had a car available, which BM used for Moffat?Now that LE has reason to believe BM was 50 miles away from PP between the hours of 11pm and 3am on the Saturday night of MDW, LE can trawl through all their tips and collected data...
If BM used an ATV to retrieve a different truck, they can review saved CCTV, they can pull warrants for other vehicles, they might even have data of him checking on his burial site, just didn't know the significance of those data points at the time.
It's possible that BM had a different burial in mind, one he started and aborted.
I'm not forgetting about the heavy equipment at the beach site... not in his truck of course, but I bet he'd have had no trouble "borrowing" someone else's diesel.
Maybe he WAS going to bury a cooler there but the neighbor turning on her porch light spooked him.
So, now seriously pressed for time, he drove out to no man's land -- the boneyard -- to dig as far as he could before day could break.
All the while, he was probably muttering to himself, Oh, Suzanne, why'd ya haveta...
When he should've been asking himself why he'd done such deplorable, damning thing to a woman who labored for decades to make him look like a better man.
jmo
The article also states that the coroner said the remains were well preserved enough to indicate cause of death, testing could take weeks to months.nothing new
Remains’ Location and Condition Suggest Homicide
The remains were found in a desert area in Moffat, approximately 45 miles south of Morphew’s home. Forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden believes that the remains are likely preserved enough to determine her cause of death, and the circumstances of the remains’ burial suggest a homicide.
The Saguache County coroner is currently examining the remains and the crime scene for additional evidence, such as bullets, DNA, or signs of a struggle. Dr. Baden stated that the investigation may take weeks or months due to the need for lab testing.
oops sorry I see now you pointed that out.The article also states that the coroner said the remains were well preserved enough to indicate cause of death, testing could take weeks to months.
I recall Letecia Stauch asking for immunity and she came off just as ridiculous. What in the heck are these people thinking? You can't make this stuff up.Hahaha Yes, Barry was asking if he could have “immunity” if he bared his soul!
hahahahaha Would love to have seen the look on Grusing’s face! MOO
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One puzzling thing about his traveling west, is why he went so far to turnaround. From where he saw the elk and coincidentally, the bike helmet was found, it is another 2 miles west to where he turned around in Garfield. There are 7 or 8 wide turnouts before Garfield, and at 4:30 in the morning you could do a three point turn anywhere.
This is an interesting theory, but there are a few things which seem at odds with it:IMO MOO BBM
“There is a period of time where her communication with Jeff ceases, and Barry has yet to return home.”
I feel this is an important part of the timeline that needs more attention. This case has so many elements and potential players to it, that it leaves room for other possible scenarios to have played out that day. I cannot dismiss one theory that isn’t discussed as often: an accomplice who was paid off to do the dirty work.
I have always likened BM’s post-murder reactions and sense of arrogant confidence at proclamations of being innocent, to that of someone who thinks he has his hands clean because he didn’t commit the actual murder. He has taunted everyone around him since Mother’s Day 2020 as if challenging them to pin this crime on him.
That behavior and attitude has had me look at this from an angle of someone who may have planned this crime but not actually taken the life of the victim.
When you have talk of burner phones, confusing text communications, dark web activity, possible unknown secondary vehicles for transport, shady friends, hush money, pay offs, acquaintances moving away, etc., it has all the elements for an accomplice scenario.
There is so much to elaborate on to support this theory that I don’t have the time to dive into rn, but I’ll condense it to this:
I feel during that window of time (about 30 minutes) when SM went quiet and before BM arrived, is when SM was disabled. I feel an accomplice could have arrived at the house before BM and made their move to neutralize SM based on BM’s command. That accomplice was the one that cracked the MB door to get to SM. BM then arriving in a panic to the home was his adrenaline to putting his plan into place and begin the disposal and staging process. At that point the accomplice had his role to play of taking SM off premise and finishing the act while BM burned her diary, phone, jewelry, etc., and staged his alibi and a false abduction scene. All the while being unaware and detached of where or how SM would meet her fate, thus leaving BM to quasi-play out his feelings and reactions that he has served up to us since the evening of Mother’s Day 2020.
IMO MOO
I think that excerpt would be lovely, embroidered and framed, for his prison wall.I recall Letecia Stauch asking for immunity and she came off just as ridiculous. What in the heck are these people thinking? You can't make this stuff up.
Barry asked, “And what about immunity? Can you give me immunity if I sit and just open my life to you"?
SA Grusing asked immunity for what, and Barry replied, “I think in case somebody falsely convicts me, or something.
SA Grusing said, “You won't be falsely convicted". [AA page 78 para 9]
Some good theorizing here !IMO MOO BBM
“There is a period of time where her communication with Jeff ceases, and Barry has yet to return home.”
I feel this is an important part of the timeline that needs more attention. This case has so many elements and potential players to it, that it leaves room for other possible scenarios to have played out that day. I cannot dismiss one theory that isn’t discussed as often: an accomplice who was paid off to do the dirty work.
I have always likened BM’s post-murder reactions and sense of arrogant confidence at proclamations of being innocent, to that of someone who thinks he has his hands clean because he didn’t commit the actual murder. He has taunted everyone around him since Mother’s Day 2020 as if challenging them to pin this crime on him.
That behavior and attitude has had me look at this from an angle of someone who may have planned this crime but not actually taken the life of the victim.
When you have talk of burner phones, confusing text communications, dark web activity, possible unknown secondary vehicles for transport, shady friends, hush money, pay offs, acquaintances moving away, etc., it has all the elements for an accomplice scenario.
There is so much to elaborate on to support this theory that I don’t have the time to dive into rn, but I’ll condense it to this:
I feel during that window of time (about 30 minutes) when SM went quiet and before BM arrived, is when SM was disabled. I feel an accomplice could have arrived at the house before BM and made their move to neutralize SM based on BM’s command. That accomplice was the one that cracked the MB door to get to SM. BM then arriving in a panic to the home was his adrenaline to putting his plan into place and begin the disposal and staging process. At that point the accomplice had his role to play of taking SM off premise and finishing the act while BM burned her diary, phone, jewelry, etc., and staged his alibi and a false abduction scene. All the while being unaware and detached of where or how SM would meet her fate, thus leaving BM to quasi-play out his feelings and reactions that he has served up to us since the evening of Mother’s Day 2020.
IMO MOO
All very interesting. I've wondered if he paid someone to take her off the premises, and it's possible that person didn't even know what they were transporting. Someone who desperately needed money. "Take this cooler to x-location" or "Take this barrel to x-location" and then it's possible she was moved out of that object at some point into the location she was finally discovered in.IMO MOO BBM
“There is a period of time where her communication with Jeff ceases, and Barry has yet to return home.”
I feel this is an important part of the timeline that needs more attention. This case has so many elements and potential players to it, that it leaves room for other possible scenarios to have played out that day. I cannot dismiss one theory that isn’t discussed as often: an accomplice who was paid off to do the dirty work.
I have always likened BM’s post-murder reactions and sense of arrogant confidence at proclamations of being innocent, to that of someone who thinks he has his hands clean because he didn’t commit the actual murder. He has taunted everyone around him since Mother’s Day 2020 as if challenging them to pin this crime on him.
That behavior and attitude has had me look at this from an angle of someone who may have planned this crime but not actually taken the life of the victim.
When you have talk of burner phones, confusing text communications, dark web activity, possible unknown secondary vehicles for transport, shady friends, hush money, pay offs, acquaintances moving away, etc., it has all the elements for an accomplice scenario.
There is so much to elaborate on to support this theory that I don’t have the time to dive into rn, but I’ll condense it to this:
I feel during that window of time (about 30 minutes) when SM went quiet and before BM arrived, is when SM was disabled. I feel an accomplice could have arrived at the house before BM and made their move to neutralize SM based on BM’s command. That accomplice was the one that cracked the MB door to get to SM. BM then arriving in a panic to the home was his adrenaline to putting his plan into place and begin the disposal and staging process. At that point the accomplice had his role to play of taking SM off premise and finishing the act while BM burned her diary, phone, jewelry, etc., and staged his alibi and a false abduction scene. All the while being unaware and detached of where or how SM would meet her fate, thus leaving BM to quasi-play out his feelings and reactions that he has served up to us since the evening of Mother’s Day 2020.
IMO MOO
Bolding mine.I think he threw her phone at the point he turned round. Bike one place, helmet another, phone another.
He appeared surprised in the AA that LE didn't have her phone, he stated he assumed they found it.
Moo