Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #47

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katydid23 said:
If someone is tested at the time they still feel healthy, does it show up in the new 15 minute tests that they are carriers?
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Yeah, the ultimate would be an at home pregnancy like test which does for both the virus, and the antibody. Heck, you can buy those at dollar tree lol. (Not sure of sensitivity/specificity, but you get my drift) But that aside, getting the workforce back and rolling back open, that's what is being discussed - have both for BILLIONS of people. SMDH
 
tresir2012 said:
So are asymptomatic people infectious? I am not clear about this.
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Oh yes, we've discussed on the threads for almost a couple of months on this here at WS. But now, almost EVERYONE agrees.

It's now been estimated that the period of 2 1/2 days before symptoms (not including non symptomatics vs. pre-symptomatics) and the next two days are highest viral loads. (Dr. Campbell who we post about many times has said this again and again, as has Dr. Seheulz who we post)

About 44 % of transmission is estimated to occur before symptoms arise [25].

Epidemiology and clinical features of COVID-19: A review of current literature - ScienceDirect

ETA: The difficulty perhaps is that MSM still says asymptomatic, whereby scientists are NOW just beginning to state their retrospectives as asymptomatic vs. PREsymptomatic... IYKWIM
 
<modsnip: quoted post was removed> Pretty good explanation and graphics in my governor's presser, along with rationale for current date that is apparently agreed upon by neighboring states. And cautiously optimistic - not an emotionally-based aspirational date, just a date based on the facts we have so far. We go forth with the understanding that things may change, along with precautions to help us move forward (masks or face coverings required in certain circumstances).
 
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dixiegirl1035 said:
Oh yes, we've discussed on the threads for almost a couple of months on this here at WS. But now, almost EVERYONE agrees.

It's now been estimated that the period of 2 1/2 days before symptoms (not including non symptomatics vs. pre-symptomatics) and the next two days are highest viral loads. (Dr. Campbell who we post about many times has said this again and again, as has Dr. Seheulz who we post)

About 44 % of transmission is estimated to occur before symptoms arise [25].

Epidemiology and clinical features of COVID-19: A review of current literature - ScienceDirect

ETA: The difficulty perhaps is that MSM still says asymptomatic, whereby scientists are NOW just beginning to state their retrospectives as asymptomatic vs. PREsymptomatic... IYKWIM
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I just posted the link to where anyone getting in close proximity to the president or VP is being covid tested "to evaluate for pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic carriers status to limit inadvertent transmission," White House spokesman Judd Deere said in a statement on Friday."

So at least since April 3, the white house has clearly accepted and acted on the knowledge that pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers can transmit the disease to POTUS and VP.
White House To Give Coronavirus Test To People 'In Close Proximity' To Trump, Pence
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
Yeah, the ultimate would be an at home pregnancy like test which does for both the virus, and the antibody. Heck, you can buy those at dollar tree lol. (Not sure of sensitivity/specificity, but you get my drift) But that aside, getting the workforce back and rolling back open, that's what is being discussed - have both for BILLIONS of people. SMDH
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A Rutgers developed saliva test for live virus just got emergency approval from the FDA. They are reporting it is not currently but could become a test yourself at home kit.

https://www.rutgers.edu/news/new-rutgers-saliva-test-coronavirus-gets-fda-approval
 
CSIDreamer said:
I'm not familiar with Sweden's health system. Do you think they will follow along with the rest of the world or try their own (different) approach? I'm genuinely interested in this.
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I don't know if Sweden have a different approach or not, but for example school haven't closed for those under 16 years of age, and they can also participate in sports, while adults can't play matches. It's easier here in Sweden to stay at home if you are ill (most people get 80 percent of their wages from day 2 when you are home), and people are advised to stay at home when having symptoms like fever, running nose, sore throat, cough and so on.
Perhaps you can find some information here in English, it's from the site of The Swedish Contingencies Agency, an official Swedish governmental agency. Andra språk/other languages
 
FrostOwl said:
I don't know if Sweden have a different approach or not, but for example school haven't closed for those under 16 years of age, and they can also participate in sports, while adults can't play matches. It's easier here in Sweden to stay at home if you are ill (most people get 80 percent of their wages from day 2 when you are home), and people are advised to stay at home when having symptoms like fever, running nose, sore throat, cough and so on.
Perhaps you can find some information here in English, it's from the site of The Swedish Contingencies Agency, an official Swedish governmental agency. Andra språk/other languages
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That's a cool site, thank you!
 
CuriousQuiet1 said:
ITA, the survival rate is not good for people who get put on ventilators, we need to figure out better interventions before the ventilator is needed.
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The number of patients in ventilators at Karolinska hospital in Stockholm that have been extubated, or died, is still low, but they seem to have better results, of 62 patients 48 survived while 14 died, which made a survival rate of 80 percent. I don't know if they are doing something different from other countries. 80 procent överlever intensivvården på Karolinska: ”Hoppfullt”
 
Coronavirus: UK lockdown extended for at least three more weeks

The UK's coronavirus lockdown will remain in place for at least another three weeks to ensure the country gets over the peak of the epidemic, the government has announced.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is deputising for Prime Minister Boris Johnson as he recovers from COVID-19, confirmed the extension following advice from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE).


Speaking at Downing Street's daily coronavirus news briefing, Mr Raab said: "The government has decided that the current measures must remain in place for at least the next three weeks."

He said SAGE had advised that "relaxing any of the measures in place" would "undo the progress we have made" and would "risk damage to both public health and the economy".

The extension takes the lockdown to at least 7 May, and Mr Raab hinted it would likely go further in light of a previous suggestion by the prime minister that the UK could "turn the tide" of the virus within 12 weeks.
 
tresir2012 said:
At what point does it stop being an epidemic or crisis and become a pandemic?

"What’s the difference between a pandemic, an epidemic, endemic, and an outbreak?" What’s the difference between a pandemic, an epidemic, endemic, and an outbreak?

This link states a pandemic is an epidemic that travels between countries. It says an easy way to remember is the letter P for "passport" which is needed for travel.

So it seems as soon as it travelled to another country other than China, it was a pandemic. MOO.
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Many here since the first thread were shouting out virtually for such to be called out. But the WHO reasons, in hindsight, were that the countries it had been spread to COULD contain if they would trace and isolate. Once it was realized it was overwhelming, they then did such. It was announced as a global emergency with human to human early January to all countries within the world by the WHO. (at that time, they perhaps went with the transmission rates of MERS and SARS)

Why Did The World Shut Down For COVID-19 But Not Ebola, SARS Or Swine Flu?


In late 2002, an emerging pathogen that likely spilled over from the animal world started to cause severe respiratory illness in China. Sound familiar? Through the first half of 2003, the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) spread through 26 countries, infecting at least 8,098 people and killing at least 774.

Another respiratory illness caused by a coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS, has an even higher case fatality rate of 34 percent. But it’s also led to fewer deaths than what we’ve already seen from COVID-19: As of January 2020, there have been 2,519 cases of MERS and 866 associated deaths from the infection.
 
Sundog said:
Wuhan lab as source is still under investigation, not conclusive finding yet, but needs to be taken seriously as a possibility. Regardless of source of virus in Wuhan, however, Chinese government cover up needs to be addressed. (Note: This is not about the Chinese people, but about the Communist Party and its leadership. Wuhan lost thousands of innocent people, just as we are losing our citizens, and citizens around the world.)

Sources believe coronavirus outbreak originated in Wuhan lab as part of China's efforts to compete with US

EBM for grammar
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I've been seeing so many posts, e.g. below, from the main thread about Governmental coverups, and that the outbreak was from a lab that are still standing after 4 days and more - so decided to create a thread for these discussions as they are so prevalent and increasing in numbers on the main thread. This thread is for those discussions to congregate here for discussions.

Chinese government coverup - Viral outbreak from lab etc.
 
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