Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[dixiegirl1035]

Refraining to comment or summarize on posts now...as he speaks to governments and updates. FYI. Dr. Campbell interview.

 

[tresir2012]

Sad news in Ohio today, Annie Glenn, wife of the late John Glenn, astronaut and senator, passed away at 100 from coronavirus. Governor DeWine orders flags in Ohio lowered to half staff in her honor.

Annie Glenn, widow of astronaut John Glenn, dies at 100 from coronavirus

Very sad news. I recommend watching the movie The Right Stuff in her and John's memory.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Special Coronavirus helmets for the NFL this sesason?

NFL looking to use surgical or N95 material with helmets to combat coronavirus, union's medical director says

I will critique an action, as I think discussing is within TOS.

This is ridiculous. MOO.

The impact of breathing is hindered with such. Not good when exerting so much MOO.

 

[TMAN2014]

So what is the cliff notes version of all these refraining posts?

Are we doing good or bad?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Oh, lordy, once they figure out the bumper cars thing, that will become the name of the game for some.

lol, what a great PR stunt for the business. Not that it is real!

 

[The Night Watchman]

Serious question.

Are children that die of coronavirus more important than children that die of the seasonal flu? The image is of Amanda Kanowitz, who died of the flu at the age of 4.

We actually don't know how many children in the U.S. have died of coronavirus, or related complications since we are not given that information. If I go by news articles, I would guess less than 20.

144 children died of the flu this season. 288 children died in the 2009-2010 flu season. The CDC recorded 187 child flu deaths in the 2017-208 season, but estimates the total was closer to 600. Did you know this? I didn't know that, and I'm guessing most here didn't.

There is a flu shot. Most of these child deaths could be prevented if 20-30% more Americans got the flu shot. Yet that doesn't happen for many reasons, my guess would be that people mostly aren't worried about the flu and accept flu deaths as part of life. People never really cared about flu statistics with children.

But with coronavirus we are bombarded with a different message, that this time is different- we are supposed to care about the children that fall victim to the virus in a country of 330 million people, and this is now one of the reasons we are locking down. We read the sad stories today, but we rarely got them before with the flu, and certainly didn't consider making changes to everyday life to minimize flu deaths.

While it may appear that I have a cold, dark heart; I would say that rationally looking at the big picture with minimizing both the impact of COVID-19 and our approach to dealing with it, is the more compassionate approach.

These families lost kids to the flu. Now, they’re fighting to prevent more deaths

Children & Influenza (Flu)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Great news, to bring back the manufacturing of pharmaceuticals to the U.S. so we are not dependent on China and India for the filler ingredients.
The FDA updates a website of medications that are not available due to current medical supply chain issues. We need to expand capacity of pharmaceutical manufacturing in the U.S., and this will help.

HHS announces $354M contract with Virginia-based company to make coronavirus drugs in US

FDA Drug Shortages

 

[TMAN2014]

Serious question.

Are children that die of coronavirus more important than children that die of the seasonal flu?
Children & Influenza (Flu)

That's an easy question. NO

 

[10ofRods]

Doctors Say Rare Disease Striking Children May Be Linked To Coronavirus

They don't seem that sure about this according to this article.

"Infectious disease specialists say it's too early to say whether the illness is linked to COVID-19, but there is speculation the two are related.

Some of the kids who are exhibiting symptoms of Kawasaki disease — inflammation, fevers, rashes and damage to blood vessels — also tested positive for the coronavirus. Others tested positive for antibodies that show they were previously infected.

While their symptoms initially suggested Kawasaki disease, doctors were not completely sure, says Dr. Sunil Sood, an infectious disease specialist and chair of pediatrics at Northwell Health’s Southside Hospital in Bay Shore, New York, and practicing physician at Cohen Children's Hospital.

Last week, which was about one month since COVID-19 infections began to peak in New York and Long Island, about two dozen children came to the hospitals where Dr. Sood works with severe symptoms of Kawasaki disease, he says. Some were so sick that they had to be treated in the intensive care unit."

More at link.

Too early to say for sure. But a very strong (100%) correlation between these kids over 5 and them testing positive for CoVid.

It's going to take more than a correlation (it needs a mechanism) before scientists will make the link.

 

[TMAN2014]

DJT is not really taking HCQ; no doctor who wanted to keep his/her license would actually provide that to him. He doesn't meet the criteria. Someone who's known him for decades posted on Twitter it's a fabrication.

I thought a person's medical information was between him/her and the doctor. Why is it even an issue? He should have answered none of your business. And then, we wouldn't have to worry about twitter hearsay.

Your Medical Records

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Really? I thought if someone sneezed into their hand then opened a door and you later opened the door then touched your face, you could get it. Is that no longer the case at all? It says "it may be possible"

"but these are not thought to be the main ways the virus spreads.

• From touching surfaces or objects. It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.
• From animals to people. At this time, the risk of COVID-19 spreading from animals to people is considered to be low. Learn about COVID-19 and pets and other animals.
• From people to animals. It appears that the virus that causes COVID-19 can spread from people to animals in some situations. CDC is aware of a small number of pets worldwide, including cats and dogs, reported to be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, mostly after close contact with people with COVID-19. Learn what you should do if you have pets."

There is also a section on cleaning community spaces so I will C/P that in here too. This is the same for workspaces, schools, homes etc

"Practice good hygiene

• Stop handshaking – use other noncontact methods of greeting
• Clean hands at the door and schedule regular hand washing reminders by email
• Create habits and reminders to avoid touching their faces and cover coughs and sneezes
• Disinfect surfaces like doorknobs, tables, desks, and handrails regularly
• Increase ventilation by opening windows or adjusting air conditioning"

It sure reads like they do think it can be caught from surfaces like door knobs, tables, desks and handrails.

Yeah, there is no way I’m not continuing to wipe surfaces.

 

[10ofRods]

Non-brass doorknobs, elevator buttons, restroom handles, gas pump handles, credit cards that have been swiped...should all continue to be wiped down, as well as any shared public computers/keyboards/phones. IMO.

Wiping down everything in the grocery delivery is optional and an unlikely vector, but I suppose if someone sneezed onto a can of something, it could still have virus a few hours later. We just put our groceries away as usual and then wash our hands.

What you don't want to do is keep touching your face during all these expeditions into the great unknown. Obviously, disinfect the grocery cart handle. Disinfecting lettuce seems really extreme to me, personally, as CV doesn't live long on a non-hard surface.

 

[gitana1]

Hope @gitana1 has seen this.



Just wanted to correct one detail -- the person who was positive and attended that Butte Co church service EXPOSED 180 people. We don't know how many cases will result from that; I imagine the first case(s) are probably starting to feel ill/get tested about now. But Butte County only has 22 confirmed cases so far and I think they've been at that number for a while so I suspect none of those 22 are from the church service. (I wonder if we'll even be told whether any future cases arose from that event.)

Thank you so much for that! I have seen it thanks to a couple other beautiful websleuther are and it gives me a lot of hope. It contradicts the CDC’s designation of asthmatics as high risk so I will continue to take precautions but it’s hopeful and we need that right now.

Here is another story about a church and recent COVID outbreak that is sad but can help us protect ourselves because the exact numbers are known.


One church's large coronavirus outbreak was traced back to a pastor and his wife who attended a service before they developed symptoms, CDC says


At this church, 92 people attended a service where a pastor and his wife had COVID. They infected 35 people and three of those people died.


That’s a 38% contagion rate (at least for people who are symptomatic) and an almost 8% death rate for those who caught it and a 3.5% death rate for the congregation as a whole.

Who wants to take those odds?


I think this proves that it isn’t “living in fear” to expect reasonable safeguards for a while like wearing masks when possible and staying six feet apart.

If we are going to open up I don’t think it’s an imposition on people’s constitutional rights to mandate that in businesses and public areas people stay six feet apart and wear masks when around others, when reasonable.

Side note: What’s with the improperly worn masks? I see quite some people wearing a mask but it doesn’t cover their noses. And they aren’t wearing glasses necessarily. I mean what’s the point?

I guess at least it protects others somewhat from their exhalations and coughs. It does nothing to protect from their sneezes, however. And it doesn’t provide any protection to the wearer at all, unless they only breathe through their mouths.

 

[ilovewings]

My older brother was almost one of those, who almost waited too long, even though he was having chest pains. He kept telling his wife that it was heartburn, but she told me she got really angry at him, which she never usually does---and she demanded he go to the ER.

Sure enough, they took him right into surgery, and had thought he might need bypass, but he was just given a stent, and sent home the next day.

Thank goodness he got there in time: But I can understand the reluctance to go to a hospital in these Covid times: it is terrifying to think you could catch the virus in that way.

Thank you so much for that! I have seen it thanks to a couple other beautiful websleuther are and it gives me a lot of hope. It contradicts the CDC’s designation of asthmatics as high risk so I will continue to take precautions but it’s hopeful and we need that right now.

Here is another story about a church and recent COVID outbreak that is sad but can help us protect ourselves because the exact numbers are known.


One church's large coronavirus outbreak was traced back to a pastor and his wife who attended a service before they developed symptoms, CDC says


At this church, 92 people attended a service where a pastor and his wife had COVID. They infected 35 people and three of those people died.


That’s a 38% contagion rate (at least for people who are symptomatic) and an almost 8% death rate for those who caught it and a 3.5% death rate for the congregation as a whole.

Who wants to take those odds?


I think this proves that it isn’t “living in fear” to expect reasonable safeguards for a while like wearing masks when possible and staying six feet apart.

If we are going to open up I don’t think it’s an imposition on people’s constitutional rights to mandate that in businesses and public areas people stay six feet apart and wear masks when around others, when reasonable.

Side note: What’s with the improperly worn masks? I see quite some people wearing a mask but it doesn’t cover their noses. And they aren’t wearing glasses necessarily. I mean what’s the point?

I guess at least it protects others somewhat from their exhalations and coughs. It does nothing to protect from their sneezes, however. And it doesn’t provide any protection to the wearer at all, unless they only breathe through their mouths.

I hear ya: i see people quite often with masks, but their nose is sticking out -- i want to say something but of course i don't: really though!!! Duh!!!

 

[gngr~snap]

I thought a person's medical information was between him/her and the doctor. Why is it even an issue? He should have answered none of your business. And then, we wouldn't have to worry about twitter hearsay.

Your Medical Records

If a comment was made, (which is odd) I imagine it was the doctor defending his own actions, not exposing President Trump's medical records.
Him saying he didn't prescribe it, in no way means President Trump isn't taking it or didn't aquire it on his own somehow.
He is simply saying it isn't true that he recommended it or prescribed it for President Trump to use as a preventative.
As a physician, the Hippocratic Oath, "First do no harm".
Harm could certainly come by President Trump taking this medication.
The Dr. would also be "responsible" in the event a grave situation happened to the President.
IF anything was said, the Dr. is covering himself publicly.
Moo

 

[ilovewings]

Non-brass doorknobs, elevator buttons, restroom handles, gas pump handles, credit cards that have been swiped...should all continue to be wiped down, as well as any shared public computers/keyboards/phones. IMO.

Wiping down everything in the grocery delivery is optional and an unlikely vector, but I suppose if someone sneezed onto a can of something, it could still have virus a few hours later. We just put our groceries away as usual and then wash our hands.

What you don't want to do is keep touching your face during all these expeditions into the great unknown. Obviously, disinfect the grocery cart handle. Disinfecting lettuce seems really extreme to me, personally, as CV doesn't live long on a non-hard surface.

I try to be reasonable: when we bring groceries home, i wash them all off with soap and water: non perishables i put on a table in the dining room for 24-48 hours and just leave them there: I wash the bag with the lettuce, but i don't do anything with the lettuce and put the bag in the fridge. I have read that food is not a vector for the virus and i guess i believe it. I do wash off bananas and tomatoes-- since they have probably been handled by lots of hands. I then wash the counter top with soap and water where the grocery bags were and i throw all the grocery bags away. It is kind of a pain but it seems like a reasonable precaution, though it is a pain in the butt.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I thought a person's medical information was between him/her and the doctor. Why is it even an issue? He should have answered none of your business. And then, we wouldn't have to worry about twitter hearsay.

Your Medical Records

I agree - it is not anyone's business, although the president's health gets reported by his physician, unlike you and I, so there is a different standard. I don't think I need to know his health status, but it's reported. But let's not overlook that he wasn't asked - he volunteered the statement out of the blue. I don't care if he's taking it or not, but I do care about facts and I watched the footage and no one asked him.

But with coronavirus we are bombarded with a different message, that this time is different- we are supposed to care about the children that fall victim to the virus in a country of 330 million people, and this is now one of the reasons we are locking down. We read the sad stories today, but we rarely got them before with the flu, and certainly didn't consider making changes to everyday life to minimize flu deaths.

The reason people are concerned is that it is a novel virus. The flu is not. So of course people will want to know more about the insidious effects on children. This is not the flu. Just looking at the fact that 91,000 + are dead over the span of just over 2 months tells us - this is not the flu. This is new, and we need to figure it out. That requires some level of caution and a whole lot of research and risk assessment. It may be that we don't have to worry about schools - but more info is needed. I suspect we'll get it from Sweden and other countries. JMO.

 

[Trino]

Just wondering why it's not possible for some people to stay home from a physical religious service for a couple of months, especially when it's possible to see a service online. I mean it's not a forever thing - just a couple of months.

We're starting to see the impacts of Covid-19 on gatherings, and IMO we'll be seeing more like the current religious cases.

 

[katydid23]

I've reached out to him to see if he will reveal his sources on that. I can't find any - if anyone else has some, please share.

The only promising preventative I can find in the medical literature is plasma from recovered patients.

I don't have the links but I read somewhere, [helpful I know] that there were studies done that accidentally found that those who were taking HYDC for lupus, etc, did not get the virus very often. Some residents in nursing homes they were infected, were exposed to CV, but didnt catch it---and so people began to wonder if it was a preventative measure.

And I also read that they were prescribing it in India as a preventative medication, and that has helped keep the numbers down.

I will try to find the links to that....

 

[TMAN2014]

Just wondering why it's not possible for some people to stay home from a physical religious service for a couple of months, especially when it's possible to see a service online. I mean it's not a forever thing - just a couple of months.

We're starting to see the impacts of Covid-19 on gatherings, and IMO we'll be seeing more like the current religious cases.

I can think of 1 reason:
1. the collection plate