Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #79

[Rose in SC]

SOUTH CAROLINA
Not really where we want to be: SC coronavirus spread still 10th highest in country, White House report states

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Today's report:
739 new cases (137,406 total) - includes my daughter's 65 y/o father-in-law and a 58 y/o deacon from my church
30 new deaths (3,067 total)
14.3% percent positive

SC announces 739 new COVID-19 cases, 30 more deaths Tuesday

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Might as well include this too ... today's DHEC school report: DHEC reports 622 COVID-19 cases associated with K-12 schools as of Sept. 22

 

[MimosaMornings]

I’ve now come to the conclusion that no one at CDC has ever had kids or been around kids. One suggestion deemed to be low-risk is:

“Doing a Halloween scavenger hunt where children are given lists of Halloween-themed things to look for while they walk outdoors from house to house admiring Halloween decorations at a distance.”

Good grief, is this the best they got? Don’t they know halloween is all about the CANDY?!!!

Better to wear latex gloves & just throw it from the front porch. Maybe in little ziplock baggies.

Or just skip the whole dang thing & go directly to Christmas. Just say’n.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

How would you know which houses were taking precautions and using gloves, or had not been exposed, etc?

And how do you social distance when a crowd comes to the door? Do you draw circles on the driveway and let them come up one by one?

They come in car loads, it’s crazy sometimes how many kids we get. Of all ages!
JMO

 

[MrX]

Boris Johnson announces new measures to tackle spread of coronavirus


Boris Johnson announces new measures to tackle spread of coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

What a mess. Are the people as divided as officials seem to be? It seems that if the belief is that the hospitality trade is responsible, then they should shut it down. If they don't think it's to blame, then don't add restrictions. This just looks like another "feel good" half-measure because they don't have a clue what's happening.

"It was claimed overnight that Mr Johnson had initially backed a total shutdown of the hospitality and leisure sectors before Chancellor Rishi Sunak persuaded him to take a less severe course after warning of economic carnage. "

"The 10pm curfew on the hospitality sector sparked an immediate industry backlash as the UKHospitality group said it was 'another crushing blow'

Chief executive Kate Nicholls said: 'It is hard to understand how these measures are the solution to fighting the disease when Government data shows that just five per cent of infections out of the home are related to hospitality.'"

"Meanwhile Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warned Mr Johnson that his actions did not go far enough as she banned her countrymen from visiting each other in their own homes in a bid to slash to Covid-19 R rate in Scotland. "

 

[momrids6]

Sweden has escaped a second coronavirus wave so far. The question is why

 

[JudgeJoe]

How would you know which houses were taking precautions and using gloves, or had not been exposed, etc?

And how do you social distance when a crowd comes to the door? Do you draw circles on the driveway and let them come up one by one?

They come in car loads, it’s crazy sometimes how many kids we get. Of all ages!

Idk. All I know is that having kids walk around playing halloween I spy is not going to cut it. Imo

 

[mickey2942]

How would you know which houses were taking precautions and using gloves, or had not been exposed, etc?

And how do you social distance when a crowd comes to the door? Do you draw circles on the driveway and let them come up one by one?

They come in car loads, it’s crazy sometimes how many kids we get. Of all ages!
JMO

Where we used to live, in Las Vegas, they came on church buses. Huge crowds of kids, not from the neighborhood.

It became, no longer a "cute" holiday with neighborhood toddlers. Time for Halloween to be done with. We will not be opening our door this year.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

What a mess. Are the people as divided as officials seem to be? It seems that if the belief is that the hospitality trade is responsible, then they should shut it down. If they don't think it's to blame, then don't add restrictions. This just looks like another "feel good" half-measure because they don't have a clue what's happening.

"It was claimed overnight that Mr Johnson had initially backed a total shutdown of the hospitality and leisure sectors before Chancellor Rishi Sunak persuaded him to take a less severe course after warning of economic carnage. "

"The 10pm curfew on the hospitality sector sparked an immediate industry backlash as the UKHospitality group said it was 'another crushing blow'

Chief executive Kate Nicholls said: 'It is hard to understand how these measures are the solution to fighting the disease when Government data shows that just five per cent of infections out of the home are related to hospitality.'"

"Meanwhile Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warned Mr Johnson that his actions did not go far enough as she banned her countrymen from visiting each other in their own homes in a bid to slash to Covid-19 R rate in Scotland. "

It is a mess. Pubs cant close completely because the hospitality industry would collapse, plus all the breweries and supply chains.

Most people I've spoken to are not seeing the logic. The mobs will still be drinking for all the hours up to 10pm. A final drunken hour on top of that, how can it make much difference?

I have no faith that people flouting the rules will change. They are a minority in my opinion, but we're relying on them to slow the tide.

I'm not feeling optimistic

 

[MrX]

It is a mess. Pubs cant close completely because the hospitality industry would collapse, plus all the breweries and supply chains.

Most people I've spoken to are not seeing the logic. The mobs will still be drinking for all the hours up to 10pm. A final drunken hour on top of that, how can it make much difference?

I have no faith that people flouting the rules will change. They are a minority in my opinion, but we're relying on them to slow the tide.

I'm not feeling optimistic

That's what I figured - people will just start earlier. Forcing people to sit at tables is supposed to be the rule, here, too, but it's not practical. Eventually word will get out that Murphy's Pub is letting people mingle, so The Fox and Hound will lose business if they keep running the place like a church. My place started having trouble when punters from the closed dive bars discovered that restaurant bars were still in business. From a Covid perspective it made more sense to let the dives reopen so their dozen regulars wouldn't be mingling with a dozen regulars from another place. It's like all of these neighborhood joints are already "bubbles," unto themselves.

If the 5% number is accurate, in terms of virus source, then they need to do something else. Have the regional closures had any effect - didn't Manchester severely limit gatherings about a month ago?

 

[SouthAussie]

It is a mess. Pubs cant close completely because the hospitality industry would collapse, plus all the breweries and supply chains.

Most people I've spoken to are not seeing the logic. The mobs will still be drinking for all the hours up to 10pm. A final drunken hour on top of that, how can it make much difference?

I have no faith that people flouting the rules will change. They are a minority in my opinion, but we're relying on them to slow the tide.

I'm not feeling optimistic

I wonder why Boris doesn't close up the pubs while allowing them to sell alcohol through an off-license. IIRC many pubs there have off-license services, don't they?

Quite a few of our pubs here have drive-through/walk-in "bottle shops" attached, where you can drive through/walk in and pick up whatever you want to take away and drink elsewhere. During our lockdown, these bottle shops were allowed to stay open. They cashed in a little further by supplying refrigerated pub meals served in takeaway containers. This helped them to stay in business, and people used them, a lot.


Eg:
While most of the retail sector has been decimated by the virus, Steve Mifsud, who owns the Wine Corner bottle shop in Carlton North, says his sales "are dramatically up compared to normal, probably by 50 per cent".
This has been enough to more than cover the losses he accrued when the pandemic forced him to close the bar attached to the Wine Corner store.
Business booms at bottle shops as drinking at home grows

 

[HongKongPhooey]

That's what I figured - people will just start earlier. Forcing people to sit at tables is supposed to be the rule, here, too, but it's not practical. Eventually word will get out that Murphy's Pub is letting people mingle, so The Fox and Hound will lose business if they keep running the place like a church. My place started having trouble when punters from the closed dive bars discovered that restaurant bars were still in business. From a Covid perspective it made more sense to let the dives reopen so their dozen regulars wouldn't be mingling with a dozen regulars from another place. It's like all of these neighborhood joints are already "bubbles," unto themselves.

If the 5% number is accurate, in terms of virus source, then they need to do something else. Have the regional closures had any effect - didn't Manchester severely limit gatherings about a month ago?

It's a grim picture. More stringent measures coming in this week for many areas, including Greater Manchester. It is spreading out from the cities, not improving.

Interestingly, London so far has not had additional measures. Nor the southern areas where the press yelled about overcrowded beaches.

The trend seems to be spreading downwards tho.

Where do the 13.9 million people under new rules live?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I wonder why he doesn't close up the pubs while allowing them to sell alcohol through an off-license. Many pubs there have off-license services, don't they?

Quite a few of our pubs here have drive-through/walk-in "bottle shops" attached, where you can drive through/walk in and pick up whatever you want to take away and drink elsewhere. During our lockdown, these bottle shops were allowed to stay open. They cashed in a little further by supplying refrigerated restaurant meals served in takeaway containers. This helped them to stay in business, and people used them, a lot.


Eg:
While most of the retail sector has been decimated by the virus, Steve Mifsud, who owns the Wine Corner bottle shop in Carlton North, says his sales "are dramatically up compared to normal, probably by 50 per cent".
This has been enough to more than cover the losses he accrued when the pandemic forced him to close the bar attached to the Wine Corner store.
Business booms at bottle shops as drinking at home grows

It's not just about drinking alcohol. People can buy that in lots of places. It's about the socialising and experience. Pub culture here is huge and caters to such a wide range.

For instance, we walked to our 17th century village pub on Saturday afternoon. It was about 25 degrees and sunny. Quiet pub garden with wooden tables and parasols. Dogs. A full gin menu to choose from . We sat at our table outside in the sun and relaxed with a couple of drinks. In the evening, it serves great food in the restaurant area and local farmers have a few pints in the bar. Measures in place, people are sensible. Not sure how their sales are doing tho.

Meanwhile in the town 5 miles away, pub chains so busy people are drinking outside, standing up, in groups. Crowded bars inside. Going on into the small hours if they have the license. All ages, but mostly 20s and 30s. Hugging, shouting, enjoying themselves. Sales rocketing after lockdown.

It's hard for them to accept they cant have their fun after months of lockdown and even harder on the pubs. They cant survive long by selling a couple of G and Ts to irregular regulars.

The mood here generally is Not Great At All right now IMO.

I have no idea what the answer is.

 

[SouthAussie]

It's not just about drinking alcohol. People can buy that in lots of places. It's about the socialising and experience. Pub culture here is huge and caters to such a wide range.

For instance, we walked to our 17th century village pub on Saturday afternoon. It was about 25 degrees and sunny. Quiet pub garden with wooden tables and parasols. Dogs. A full gin menu to choose from . We sat at our table outside in the sun and relaxed with a couple of drinks. In the evening, it serves great food in the restaurant area and local farmers have a few pints in the bar. Measures in place, people are sensible. Not sure how their sales are doing tho.

Meanwhile in the town 5 miles away, pub chains so busy people are drinking outside, standing up, in groups. Crowded bars inside. Going on into the small hours if they have the license. All ages, but mostly 20s and 30s. Hugging, shouting, enjoying themselves. Sales rocketing after lockdown.

It's hard for them to accept they cant have their fun after months of lockdown and even harder on the pubs. They cant survive long by selling a couple of G and Ts to irregular regulars.

The mood here generally is Not Great At All right now IMO.

I have no idea what the answer is.

Yes, I get that. It is about socialising everywhere. The UK is not alone in that.
But people need to forego something for a while, to get the spread under control. We all know that "following the rules" in pubs is hard for many people to honour once they have a few drinks.

Foregoing things for a short term leads to better things for the long term.

There is no perfect answer. If there was, many would do it.
Sacrifice has to come one way or the other. Through logical curtailments for a while, or through more covid deaths.

IMO

 

[Satchie]

It's not just about drinking alcohol. People can buy that in lots of places. It's about the socialising and experience. Pub culture here is huge and caters to such a wide range.

For instance, we walked to our 17th century village pub on Saturday afternoon. It was about 25 degrees and sunny. Quiet pub garden with wooden tables and parasols. Dogs. A full gin menu to choose from . We sat at our table outside in the sun and relaxed with a couple of drinks. In the evening, it serves great food in the restaurant area and local farmers have a few pints in the bar. Measures in place, people are sensible. Not sure how their sales are doing tho.

Meanwhile in the town 5 miles away, pub chains so busy people are drinking outside, standing up, in groups. Crowded bars inside. Going on into the small hours if they have the license. All ages, but mostly 20s and 30s. Hugging, shouting, enjoying themselves. Sales rocketing after lockdown.

It's hard for them to accept they cant have their fun after months of lockdown and even harder on the pubs. They cant survive long by selling a couple of G and Ts to irregular regulars.

The mood here generally is Not Great At All right now IMO.

I have no idea what the answer is.

I don't think there's an answer. The virus has discovered that human beings are great hosts for their agenda to replicate as abundantly and widely as possible, and the virus doesn't care about it's effect on it's hosts. It uses the hosts cells to reproduce, and is constantly looking for fresh cells to colonize. Our bodies fight back to drive the virus out, but often cause us great harm in that process.

For all our habits and language and opinions and cleverness, we are biological beings first, and nature rules.

MOO

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Yes, I get that. It is about socialising everywhere. The UK is not alone in that.
But people need to forego something for a while, to get the spread under control. We all know that "following the rules" in pubs is hard for many people to honour once they have a few drinks.

Foregoing things for a short term leads to better things for the long term.

There is no perfect answer. If there was, many would do it.
Sacrifice has to come one way or the other. Through logical curtailments for a while, or through more covid deaths.

IMO

Yes. It just seems to be all or nothing. Sweden aside.

We'll have to see how this 10pm curfew goes and hope for the best.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I don't think there's an answer. The virus has discovered that human beings are great hosts for their agenda to replicate as abundantly and widely as possible, and the virus doesn't care about it's effect on it's hosts. It uses the hosts cells to reproduce, and is constantly looking for fresh cells to colonize. Our bodies fight back to drive the virus out, but often cause us great harm in that process.

For all our habits and language and opinions and cleverness, we are biological beings first, and nature rules.

MOO

What a perfect way to put it

 

[momrids6]

Everyone here is "just done". Common sense is no longer common. Some are overwrought with fear- some not so much. Walmart has pulled up their floor stickers, opened the other entrance. School is and has been open- there is a virtual option as well. Many now coming in person that started out virtual. Kids at the high school are much better behaved than before the shutdown- they don't want to be sent home. They wear their mask, as if it is found they were mask less sitting by someone who tests positive or was exposed- they have to go home for 2 weeks. The teachers all have anxiety to the extreme.

They have to document who is wearing one, all the time, some of the time,not at all for every period (They change classes) on top of the budget cuts, trying to teach with a mask on, the state health dept in their classrooms, virtual, in person, the kids' mental health, their health, etc etc.

The common feeling is " just done".

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think there's an answer. The virus has discovered that human beings are great hosts for their agenda to replicate as abundantly and widely as possible, and the virus doesn't care about it's effect on it's hosts. It uses the hosts cells to reproduce, and is constantly looking for fresh cells to colonize. Our bodies fight back to drive the virus out, but often cause us great harm in that process.

For all our habits and language and opinions and cleverness, we are biological beings first, and nature rules.

MOO

Mother Nature sure has found a way to lighten her human load. While other creatures of this world are thriving.
Humans are just not as smart as we think we are.

IMO

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It's not just about drinking alcohol. People can buy that in lots of places. It's about the socialising and experience. Pub culture here is huge and caters to such a wide range.

For instance, we walked to our 17th century village pub on Saturday afternoon. It was about 25 degrees and sunny. Quiet pub garden with wooden tables and parasols. Dogs. A full gin menu to choose from . We sat at our table outside in the sun and relaxed with a couple of drinks. In the evening, it serves great food in the restaurant area and local farmers have a few pints in the bar. Measures in place, people are sensible. Not sure how their sales are doing tho.

Meanwhile in the town 5 miles away, pub chains so busy people are drinking outside, standing up, in groups. Crowded bars inside. Going on into the small hours if they have the license. All ages, but mostly 20s and 30s. Hugging, shouting, enjoying themselves. Sales rocketing after lockdown.

It's hard for them to accept they cant have their fun after months of lockdown and even harder on the pubs. They cant survive long by selling a couple of G and Ts to irregular regulars.

The mood here generally is Not Great At All right now IMO.

I have no idea what the answer is.

I totally agree, there are drinking pubs and there are foodie pubs. The foodie pubs around here are doing pretty ok and will continue to do so. The drinking pubs are panicking.

One pub/restaurant, fairly rural, has had a good year financially. They were very transparent with a "we're doomed without your help" type message to all their loyal customers. They furloughed all staff except two chefs and have been rushed off their feet every evening doing orders for collection. They've done meal deals (my favourite is a 'make your own pizza' kit at £6 a head, with the raw dough, sauces and toppings boxed up - they sold over 100 in a day). Others have shifted more afternoon teas and take away picnic boxes than they'd ever done on a normal day, but even they will need to change their game plan coming in to winter.

Survival of the most willing to think outside the box.
(Excellent food and loyal customers a distinct advantage)

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't think there's an answer. The virus has discovered that human beings are great hosts for their agenda to replicate as abundantly and widely as possible, and the virus doesn't care about it's effect on it's hosts. It uses the hosts cells to reproduce, and is constantly looking for fresh cells to colonize. Our bodies fight back to drive the virus out, but often cause us great harm in that process.

For all our habits and language and opinions and cleverness, we are biological beings first, and nature rules.

MOO

BBM

As careful as I'm being, I've said numerous times this virus is going to do what it wants. Jmo

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes. It just seems to be all or nothing. Sweden aside.

We'll have to see how this 10pm curfew goes and hope for the best.

Well, NY state has been using Boris' pub strategy. And it seems to be holding the numbers static at the moment. They had to get their case numbers down first, but since then the pub/bar strategy seems to be a success.

One of my friends in New York state owns a bar, in the country. He has been doing private dining parties only. Seated dining for groups of friends, as that fits his bar's smaller capacity. He seems to be doing okay, from what I can tell. Lots of compliments on his FB page.

IMO