I agree with you and your point about NP allegations of drug use in this case which as I've been quite vocal about I found to be unacceptable. NP was talking about the victim so as a victim friendly forum there was no way to discuss the vile Pattis allegations here under TOS. We are free to sleuth POI and known suspects but we have to use MSM and certain other acceptable sources.
So far as I am aware there is no MSM report relating to drug use in this case for either of the suspects. I believe people have searched for drug arrests and DWI and found none from public sources. If I am wrong please chime in by all means. If you have source documents then by all means post them.
Both the suspects were no doubt drug tested at booking but unfortunately the bail release docs don't seem to make any provisions for ongoing drug testing that I can tell from the public documents. Its possible that ongoing drug testing is typical part of being released on bail but IDK. If anyone does know then please let us know.
Given that there isn't any MSM source to support any drug conversations I would suggest just tabling the convo until there is a quotable source available or the State documents reveal the results of any drug tests.
I would hate to see the thread shut down for OT chatter about which we have no source data.
MOO
For this ongoing debate, I’m going to take the other side. We have been discussing, quite widely, possible scenarios that would explain JDs disappearance; scenarios involving routes of transportation, transportation vehicles, methods of death, crime locations, number of suspects, timelines, and materials used the whens, wheres, whats, hows and whys of multiple hypotheses. The possible suggestions have been graphic, to say the least. In discussing this type of crime, I feel that is only to be expected in a completely open, frank talk designed to elicit plausible possible scenarios.
A portion of these scenarios involves the “How and Why”; from a psychological perspective. To me, suggesting a hypothesis which includes an answer to ‘ what mode of transportation did the suspect use to commit a murder’, is no different than suggesting a hypothesis which includes an answer to ‘ what mental state was the suspect in when he committed the murder.’
As far as TOS and only using MSM sources as proper citation for any discussion, I just don’t see how that applies when suggesting a possible hypothesis. FD possible mental health as been expounded on at length, with long conversations debating possible personality disorders. I don’t believe I have seen any MSM sources to support a diagnosis of any mental health disorder, but we discuss it as a possible way to help understand How and Why JD may have been killed.
To think we have gone into the mud and have been discussing dismemberment, tooth removal, wood chippers, cement, oil drums furnaces...(also no MSM sources- just possible scenarios) in relation to how a man, a father of 5, could have possibly ‘gotten rid of’ a woman with whom he shared the closest of intimacies. In understanding how someone could physically be so close to, and use the same hands on the mother of his children, to love her and to brutally murder her, in my estimation, requires a discussion of mental state. To me, a suggestion of drug use, is not out of line, but given the up close and brutal nature of this crime, to leave it out would be an error.