CT - John Chakalos, 87, Windsor, 20 December 2013 *Grandson arrested in 2022, found dead in 2023*

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Michelle San Miguel‏ @NBC10_Michelle 5m5 minutes ago
This is a statement from Nathan Carman’s aunts, who have previously accused him of killing his grandfather. @NBC10

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Providence Journal‏Verified account @projo 5m5 minutes ago
Nathan Carman: As boat took on water, mom was 'more of a problem than a solution'

Nathan Carman: As boat took on water, mom was 'more of a problem than a solution'

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In testimony to judge, Nathan Carman says he called out to his mother as the Chicken Pox was sinking

AUG 23, 2019

"Nathan Carman, facing direct questioning on Friday from the federal judge who will rule on a civil lawsuit filed against him, repeated how he searched continually for his mother as his boat sank, but said he viewed her as “kind of part of the problem” as the Chicken Pox ran into trouble.

“I know when I got into the life raft I was yelling out: 'Mom, mom, mom,’ making sure to pause, if she was yelling out, I’d be able to hear her," Carman said in a response to a direct question on the search from Judge John J. McConnell Jr. “I was standing on the raft trying to see her on the surface ... there was swell but I do think I would be able to see her.”

Two insurance companies are suing Carman over the $85,000 claim for the Chicken Pox. Carman, in his testimony in federal court in Providence, has stuck to his story that he did as much as he could as the Chicken Pox sank and his mother disappeared during an ill-fated fishing trip off Long Island in September 2016....

The testimony was given during the last day of the trial that McConnell has kept strictly focused and constrained to 15 hours of testimony each from the plaintiffs and the defense...."

In testimony to judge, Nathan Carman says he called out to his mother as the Chicken Pox was sinking
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Nathan Carman finally reached the witness stand, but it wasn't for murder.

Aug 23 2019

"...National Liability & Fire Insurance Co. and the Boat Owners Association of the United States won’t cough up, claiming he sank the ship on purpose. If the insurance companies prevail, Carman’s testimony could fuel the criminal and civil cases circling around him. The aunts’ high-powered legal team who sat through the trial as spectators Thursday, were clearly hoping as much.

Robert Stein, a veteran New Hampshire attorney who specializes in probate law says this testimony, “could be another loose piece” that ultimately leads to a criminal or civil case against him.

Nancy Gertney, a Harvard Law professor and former federal judge, also says Carman’s testimony in the boat insurance trial “could be used in the homicide case” and handed over to a prosecutor. And Carman could have avoided all of this if he backed down from the $85,000 claim. But he didn’t...."

The 25-Year-Old Accused of Murdering His Mother and Grandfather Is On Trial—for Boat Insurance
 
Closing arguments Sept. 4 in Nathan Carman sunken boat case

Aug 28, 2019

"PROVIDENCE, R.I. — A federal judge will hear closing arguments Sept. 4 in Nathan Carman's legal effort to recover $85,000 in insurance coverage for his 31-foot boat that sank in September 2016 on a fishing expedition with his mother believed to be onboard.

U.S. District Court Judge John J. McConnell Jr. heard arguments over the past two weeks in the fiercely contested case. McConnell, who is presiding over the non-jury trial, stopped taking evidence late Friday afternoon...."

Closing arguments Sept. 4 in Nathan Carman sunken boat case
 
EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer for man accused of mother’s disappearance speaks about case (with clip)

August 30, 2019

"...His family blames him for both the dead of his grandfather and the disappearance of his mother. But they’ve had a hard time making that case before a judge.

This has a lot to do with what’s called a slayer rule. The idea that you shouldn’t benefit if you kill someone.

Connecticut has stricter rules than some other states and the family would first need a criminal conviction.

Carman stands to inherit millions after the death of his grandfather in 2013 and disappearance of his mother in 2016.

His family is trying to block him, saying he’s responsible for both incidents. They’re appealing a New Hampshire ruling that says the issue belongs in a Connecticut court.

Jeffrey Cooper, a law professor at Quinnipiac University, says court location is crucial because of the slayer rule.

“The slayer rule goes back to Roman times, and the idea is that one shouldn’t profit from a wrong,” Cooper said.

But Connecticut’s slayer rule requires a criminal conviction. Some states, like New Hampshire, allow relatives to make the argument themselves in civil proceedings.

“In a place like New Hampshire where you don’t have a rigid statute, the judge is going to have a lot of discretion,” Cooper said....

Federal law has a three-year statute of limitations on charges related to Linda’s disappearance, but homicides in Connecticut have no such limit.

Meanwhile, Cooper says this case could take a while to resolve, even if Carman is never charged with a crime.

“Depending on the terms of the trust, it could definitely be a while before all of this is resolved,” Cooper said.

As for Carman’s trial with the boat insurance, both sides are due in federal court in Providence, Rhode Island Wednesday for closing arguments."

EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer for man accused of mother’s disappearance speaks about case

 
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Hartford Courant‏Verified account @hartfordcourant 4h4 hours ago
Judge hears final arguments in case of the sinking of Nathan Carman’s boat http://bit.ly/32nun80

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Katie Mulvaney‏ @kmulvane 26m26 minutes ago
Nathan Carman enters the federal courthouse for closing arguments in his boat insurance case @Projo

(video clip: Katie Mulvaney on Twitter )


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 25m25 minutes ago
Nathan Carman heads into federal court in Providence for closing arguments in his civil trial, 12 days after testimony was completed. Insurance companies are suing Carman over his $85k claim on his boat that sunk in 2016. @ABC6

(video clip: Amanda Pitts on Twitter )


Dave Altimari‏ @davealtimari 4m4 minutes ago
Surprisingly Judge McConnell is not putting time limits on final arguments in Nathan Carman case he is letting them “use their own judgement. Attorney Farrell starts off this is story about boat that left Point Judith with holes in it and sank 12 hours later.


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 2m2 minutes ago
Closing arguments beginning now. Judge McConnell has not set time limits. BoatUS attorney starts by saying this case has become a lot more than just a boat that sank. Going on now about all of the modifications Carman made to make his boat sink. @ABC6
 
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Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 12m12 minutes ago
Insurance attorney says Carman made “shotty repairs” to the holes in his boat, and Carman contradicted himself when testifying on the stand showing his knowledge of boats. “The policy is void and there’s no coverage for Mr. Carman’s insurance claim.” @ABC6


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 8m8 minutes ago
“The fact that he describes (the sinking) so suddenly, no one can piece that together factually.” Attorney goes on to say Carman has “serious credibility problems.” @ABC6


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 6m6 minutes ago
Carman said on the stand he never heard a word from his mother while the boat was sinking. “How can that be if she isn’t already in a coma, or already dead?” @ABC6


Dave Altimari‏ @davealtimari 5m5 minutes ago
Attorney Ferrell said as Chicken Pox sank Nathan Carman loomed our for his own skin and got into the raft with his 30 days of supplies. Says Linda Carman either was in a coma, already dead or already off the boat when it started sinking.


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 4m4 minutes ago
Attorney says Carman’s description of the sinking would put his mom on the part of the boat that would be the highest. “Did she get catapulted? It makes no sense,” and instead of calling for help, “he looks out for his own skin, climbs into a life raft without looking.” @ABC6


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 1m1 minute ago
BoatUS attorney finishes up his closing arguments by trying to prove that Carman lied about where he sank. Says aside from repairs, “it is appropriate for the court to also look at Carman’s deep rooted credibility problems” when it comes to the sinking and navigation. @ABC6


Dave Altimari‏ @davealtimari 1m1 minute ago
David Farrell goes about a half hour and concludes that Carman lied about where his boat sank and that his credibility issues along with holes he made in his boat before leaving point Judith show that judge should rule in the insurance companies favor.
 
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Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 1m1 minute ago
Carman’s attorney, David Anderson, has begun his closing arguments. Starts with addressing the navigation chart, saying Carman never used a chart plotter. Says oceanographer who took the stand during the trial depicted Block Canyon to be further north than it really is. @ABC6


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 30s31 seconds ago
Anderson says Carman has given about 20 hours of testimony, so it’s “not surprising that here or there there might be a mistake.” Says nothing in this case has demonstrated that he’s lied. “This gentleman has been telling the truth since day one in this case.” @ABC6


Dave Altimari‏ @davealtimari 9m9 minutes ago
Carmans attorney David Anderson says that Carman has sat for more than 20 hours of depositions and has been telling the truth since day 1 and no evidence from the trial demonstrated he lied about anything.


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 3m3 minutes ago
Anderson says there’s no way to find out exactly where Carman sank due to factors such as currents and winds. Switching now to Chicken Pox. @ABC6
 
Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 1h1 hour ago
“Something gave way that made a lot of water come in rapidly,” Anderson says in closing.
“Mr. Carman would never go out there with his mom, in the middle of nowhere, if he felt the vessel was about to sink.” @ABC6


Amanda Pitts‏ @APittsABC6 1h1 hour ago
Closing arguments have concluded. This is a bench trial, so the judge will deliver a written verdict in a couple of weeks. Says he has another matter that has a higher priority, and federal court is down a judge, so their dockets are crazy. @ABC6


Kait Walsh‏Verified account @KaitLouiseWalsh 28m28 minutes ago
Nathan Carman just spoke to us outside of court. Said he wanted to clear the air and that this isn’t about money. It’s about justice for his mother. @wpri12


Robert Goulston‏Verified account @rgoulston 23m23 minutes ago
We just heard from Nathan Carman outside federal court. He told us he’s not after the insurance money. He says he owes it to his mother to get the truth out there. We’ll have live reports with his interview at 5 & 6.
 
Closing arguments heard in Nathan Carman insurance case

SEPTEMBER 4, 2019

"...During the trial, the insurance company argued that Carman made modifications to the boat which in turn caused it to sink. Carman’s attorney argued that the boat was old and there was no way of proving why it actually sank. During closing arguments, the attorney for the insurance company said Carman performed shoddy repairs and had serious credibility issues, “You don’t put a boat with half inch holes out to sea.”

In his closing arguments, Carman’s attorney said “The Chicken Pox” was a plug and it was never intended to be a working boat.

The judge said the decision will be written and made in a couple weeks at the earliest...."

Closing arguments heard in Nathan Carman insurance case
 
Nathan Carman speaks out at conclusion of civil trial
Closing arguments in Nathan Carman's civil trial wrapped up Wednesday in Federal Court in Providence, and now the verdict is in the hands of the judge.


September 4th 2019

"....At the conclusion of closing arguments, Carman addressed the media while walking out of court, for the first time in this trial.

"This isn't about money. It's an $85,000 claim. It's a contingency fee. I get a fraction of that if I win. I’ve put lots of time, effort and, frankly, a lot of misery into this.”...

Carman said outside of court that this trial is about the truth, not money.

"I almost feel like I have a responsibility to my mom to make sure the truth comes out," said Carman....

"Mr. Farrell and the insurers, BoatUS, Berkshire Hathaway, National Fire Liability made claims against me that are so tremendous I don't feel like I could walk away from them. That's why I'm here, I'm not here about the money," added Carman...."

Nathan Carman speaks out at conclusion of civil trial

 
Fascinating that the boat was not built as a boat. I wonder if that was disclosed to Carman or to the inspector who tested it before he purchased it and found it 'serviceable.' And if the previous owner told Carman, would he would have understood the implications.

I had a relative on a tall ship that sunk in a hurricane. I learned a lot about boat maintenance during the Coast Guard hearings. It was commonplace for the crew to use a sealer from Home Depot rather than a marine grade one because everything was done as cheaply as possible. Timbers with dry rot were covered over. Marine architects would see what was on the surface only; so reports filed on the state of the vessel would document it was seaworthy when it should never have been out of view of a shore.

I also remember when we had our house inspected before we bought it. For nearly every major item, the investigator would say it looks OK but to tell for sure, you'd need to get a roofer or plumber or chimney specialist and so on. All inspectors can tell is what shows on the outside.

So I find it remarkable that the testimony of the federallly certified boat builder who helped the previous owner convert to the plug into a boat was cut off because of a court-imposed limitation of how many minutes each side had. He'd just testified when he poked a hole in the fiberglass to do something, the wood underneath was so wet that water came gushing out. The layer of wood inside the fiberglass would have to have been rotted or rotting. It sounds like structural weakness is inherent in a plug because it wasn't built to be used as a boat. Water getting through the fiberglass would have exacerbated that greatly, I would think.

Should Carman get the insurance money for the boat? It seems to me, he should.Based on the unfinished testimony of the boatbuilder who knew the owner who repurposed it and sold it to Carman, it sounds like it was not seaworthy. It passed a Coast Guard inspection the month before it sank, after the bulkhead had been removed.

Any of the possible theories for why Carman was in a life raft and his mother and boat have never been located are still possible. Whether Carman scuttled the boat and killed his mother, whether it sank due to his negligent work on it, or whether it was a catastrophic structural failure because it was converted from a plug are still unknown.

It seems to me that the insurance company has not proven that actions taken by Carman caused the boat to sink. And therefore they should pay the $85,000 from his policy.

I am puzzled that Carman insisted on going forward with this case when it may well hurt him in the criminal investigations or civil cases. Rather than walking away from the $85000 claim, he provided law enforcement and his aunts with much more information about what happened. His testimony can be scrutinized and used against him.

I remain suspicious. I just don't think the testimony in this case proved Carman's actions voided the policy or that he caused the sinking negligently or intentionally.

So many thanks to YES or NO for posting such extensive coverage of the trial. It is fascinating. I wasn't sure if a decision had been reached and got to the end eager to know the outcome. Should be soon.
 
I am puzzled that Carman insisted on going forward with this case when it may well hurt him in the criminal investigations or civil cases. Rather than walking away from the $85000 claim, he provided law enforcement and his aunts with much more information about what happened. His testimony can be scrutinized and used against him.

I remain suspicious. I just don't think the testimony in this case proved Carman's actions voided the policy or that he caused the sinking negligently or intentionally.
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Yes, it's this $85K claim that I think will ultimately cost Nathan life in prison for killing Linda Carman at sea. His testimony about his mom being more of the problem than the solution (when boat sinking) will also be heard by the jurors in his murder case.

And other than financial motive, it does not seem to me there's any new evidence for grandfather's murder here and/or state murder charges against NC for the murder of JC.

Need to look for the federal complaint now. Also, I expect this will be later sent to a grand jury for indictment. MOO
 

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