RobertStJames said:
Sure. If you want to bend over backwards and exclude the shoe and the sock (both with victim's blood on them).
Are you serious? Surely you can't be?
You think it is bending over backward to say that if Darin had worn the sock with those shoes it would have been reasonable to expect that a fibre from the shoes might transfer to the sock?
I never said you could exclude the sock and the shoe from the crimescene. I said you could exclude them from being linked to the crime scene
in that respect (ie. your theory that Darin was wearing the shoes with the socks during the commission of the crime). Obviously the shoe and sock are tied to the crime because they have blood on them. But they are not necessarily tied to the crime
together.
So whilst we are on your theory of Darin having worn the socks and the shoes could you explain:
1) Why suddenly one of the socks ended up in the alley? Did he decide just to take his shoes and socks off out there for some reason? Then dump one sock? What happened to the other sock? Did he put the shoes back on or did he just carry them back to the house? And why was he wearing them in the first place??
2) How did the blood end up on the sock?
Darin should have at least on cut on his knee. Unless he managed to tear his pants there and not touch skin.
Rubbish. I have torn clothing plenty of time without a single scratch to myself.
Affadavit for what? The absence of any description of Darin's body during a lengthy interview at the hospital? There should be notes from the detectives who talked to him. Where are they?
Blood 'spatter' from a throat is caused when a major artery is cut. Darlie's wasn't. If she was lying down or leaning backwards and someone ran a greta big butcher's knife along her throat in such a way to make a shallow cut (which it was) then I'm not sure where you think this blood 'spatter' (which should actually be 'spray' from a servered artery) would have come from.
I'm quoting the Habeus Corpus. Since I can't find any analysis of Darin's jeans, that's all I have to go by.
Of course that is all you have to go by- because you are happy to blithely accept what the defense has to say without looking at what the transcripts say regarding the evidence. Although perhaps you should be a little careful in what you claim (ie. that the staining on the jeans was not consistent with Darin giving the boys CPR since the Writ clearly says that at least some of it was consistent with contact staining).
Oh and then we have the normal defense trick (which they have used a few times now) of referring to an affidavit to back up their claims in the writ and then when you go a look at the affidavit- hey presto! Not there! In this instance we have them telling us to go look at Labers affidavit to see that Darin's wounds had blood spatter on them. Of course nowhere in his affidavit does Laber mention anything about the type of blood staining on Darin's jeans.
So I'll ask again - where do you have evidence from the experts who have examined Darlie's wound and the jeans to back up your claim that
1) there is blood spatter on the jeans
2) that Darlie's throat wound would have spattered blood anywhere rather than seeping and oozing blood from the shallow cut?
Unless you have something to back up Darin's extremely dubious story of his mouth to mouth/CPR of Devon turning the kid into a blood-spewing fountain, I'm going to continue to regard this story as extremely suspect, and then question why it is that Darin runs across the street for "help" at the exact moment help (in the form of a police officer) arrives.
Why is it extremely dubious that a child who had his lung punctured in 2 places and his pulmonary artery severed would end up pushing blood up from his punctured lungs through his wounds if someone tried to give him CPR by breathing into his mouth? Seems like elementary physics to me.
Also Darin ran out of the house as Waddell arrived. He didn't leave when Waddell walked in the door. Waddell met him out the front and brought him back in with him. If my kids were lying on the floor seemingly dead and there was nothing I knew how to do for them and I knew my good friend across the street was a nurse then I'd be going out the front door too.
You're misreading the description. Darin claims that Darlie was *right there on top of Devon* when all the blood was sparying around that got on Darin. How did so much blood only manage to get on one of *two* people who were right there *during the CPR*?
I'm not misreading anything. Darin says the blood spattered on his face, not all over him. Secondly, Darlie never mentions being there when Devon was being given CPR- that is entirely Darin's story and there is nothing on the 911 call which indicates she was doing that. I might be wrong but from memory I don't remember her calling Devon's name at all on the call- only Damons. And thirdly you have a good point as a result of this- where WAS all the blood that should have been on Darlie if she was right over top of Devon? It's not there is it? Only a couple of little spots. Where did all the blood that should have been on her hands if she was closing his chest cavity go?
Bites both ways this one.
Two bleeding victims went right past those shoes but only Darlie's blood on them. Blood that just happens to get on one of the Reeboks which are, inexplicably by any explanation (except the obvious one) are by the door.
Yes, one cradled in the arms of a paramedic. We've already said that it is clear that whoever deposited the blood on the shoes was standing still or very close to it. You're so keen on the blood trail how about explaining how the blood got there if that person was Darin.
It's like nobody around here has ever seen a pair of sneakers laced up loosely so they can be slipped on. Fits with the whole "Gangsta" thing that Darin was obviously a big fan of, unless you think his two extremely young sons decided to become gangster rap fans on their own.
Not that it matters because the point is pretty silly anyway - but what evidence do you have that darin was into the 'gangsta' thing? Is this just more pure speculation or are you actually going to back it up with something beyond 'his kids like 'Gangsta's Paradise'?
Darlie and the boys were right there in the murder room, two sleeping on their floor. Where are *their* hairs? Why is it, of all people, Darin's hair that shows up on that knife?
Because it did.
Go look up cases where the perp's hair gets tangled in the weapon used.
Show me one and I will read it in depth.
I'm also pretty sure that you are over exaggerating the length of Darin's hair at the time but don't have time to go back and look for the silly string video to confirm. Will check later. And also, again do you have evidence that it was a head hair?
I still regard that notion of him viciously stabbing his family and someone getting the knife tangled in his hair as absurd. So if you can find me any other cases where it has happened I'd love to see them.
Wanna know where else hair was found, again Darin's? In that black hat in the utility room.
Gee Whiz. That blows the case wide open then.
BTW- can you point me where you read that?
I don't accept your logic.
Well we seem to be at an impasse there since the feeling is mutual.
Given Darlie's early description of fighting with the assailant on the couch, the first part should be obvious. There was never any knife in the utility room, nor did Darlie's first account say where she found the knife. You can misinterpret her statement all you please, but the known facts of the case show the knife was on the floor in the Roman Room, no matter what Darlie later said.
Oh my goodness. Are you kidding me??? You think
we are misinterpreting her statement???
"I got halfway through the kitchen and turned back around to run and turn on the light. I ran back towards the utility room and realised there was a big white handled knife lying on the floor... I ran back through the kitchen and realised the entire living area had blood all over everything
Are you actually trying to say that Darlie ran halfway through the kitchen, turned back around to turn the lights on went back towards the U-room through the kitchen, saw a knife lying in the living room through the eyes in the back of her head, went back to the living room to pick it up, went back to the U-room and looked over to see the U-room garage door shutting, then went back through the kitchen to the living room again???
You're kidding yourself. Sorry. No way to be nice and polite about that. The knife was
in the utility room. And that is one of the things she sticks to across the years
IN HER OWN WORDS- I took a couple of steps and remembered lights were off went back and turned lights on, I started to walk through kitchen and noticed blood on my nightgown, about to my chest, halfway across the kitchen I saw knife laying on utility room floor, instinctively I went over and picked up knife, doesn't seem like there was much blood on the knife, I went back through the kitchen and put knife on kitchen bar
TESTIMONY- 9 A. I got into the kitchen, and I got to
10 where the island is, there is an island in the middle of
11 the kitchen. I got to where the island was, and it was
12 at that moment that I realized that I had blood on me.
13 And I kept going, walking a little
14 bit, and I saw a knife laying in the utility room. The
15 knife wasn't completely the whole way in the utility
16 room, it was just like, a little bit into the doorway of
17 the utility room.
18 It was an instinct -- I picked up the
19 knife, it was an instinct to pick up the knife. I didn't
20 think about it. It was just an instinct. I picked up
21 the knife, I brought the knife back to the kitchen
22 counter, and set it up on the kitchen counter.
23 At that time, I started to walk into
24 the living room
You're sounding a lot like Jeff you know... "no matter what Darlie said later I know what really happened and she was wrong". Jeff even pulled that one on Darlie herself. Perhaps you
are Jeff after all- just playing a bit ignorant to lull us into a false sense of security. Or then again perhaps the obvious fact that Darlie continues to claim the knife was in the U-room is one of the major sticking points for people who want to believe she is innocent.
It would be useful to look at Waddell's statement, and anything the neighbors are known to have said, and see if Darin was wearing any shoes when he sprinted past the police and across the street.
here you go-
OFFICE WADDELL
8 Q. All right. And as you came up here to
9 this location, Officer, is that when you saw the
10 individual that you now know to be Darin Routier?
11 A. Yes, sir.
12 Q. Can you please point where he was when
13 you first saw him?
14 A. He was coming out of the front door,
15 across the yard.
16 Q. All right. Do you recall how he was
17 dressed that morning?
18 A. He was wearing blue jeans, no shirt,
19 no shoes.
KAREN NEAL
25 And Darin was crying, and he had tears
1 running down his face.
2 Q. Was he loud?
3 A. Very loud. He was screaming.
4 Q. How was he dressed?
5 A. He had on a pair of blue jeans, no
6 shirt and he was barefoot.
Now, since you are such a big proponent for the blood evidence pointing right back at Darin could you
please explain how
a) there was no blood to indicate a knife had ever been thrown down in the U-room
b) Why the knife imprint that is in the living room was made by someone who was actively bleeding enough that blood was running down their arm and cumilating on the tip of the knife?
