. For example taking the body. They had to be the ones to find it so that they could contaminate the evidence, and call the friends for the same reason.
I disagree with that. No matter who killed her, John and Patsy have to know that her body is going to be discovered within minutes of LE arrival. Whatever staging is done has been complete and they're ready to get their freak show on the road.
It must have been shocking, especially to John, when they come back upstairs and not a peep from LE about finding her. It gives him the last thing he needs at the moment...time.....to start overthinking the nightmare they have been plunged into.
He then takes massive risks and starts doing some early spring cleaning in the basement and god knows what else. It was such a bold thing to do. Did he have a moment of clarity and realized something else had to be done in the hellhole? Did he forget something? I'd love to know exactly why he did it and if anything he heard or witnessed from either LE or the Ramsey clique made him realize more needed to be done to the point he'd risk getting caught in the act of staging his daughter's murder.
John's willingness to add an extra layer of staging with LE's presence in the house is one of the more overlooked aspects of the case. It would've required a major trigger to consider such a gamble.
Of course there's a group of people who like to claim John did no such thing. Hogwash. Even Smit of all people acknowledged the fact that items had been moved around between the kidnapping phase and after she was found. They have photographic proof of this. Its either John, Fleet, or LE doing the staging and my money's on John.
Maybe she wasn't in the wine cellar at the beginning?
Certainly possible but its hard to realistically picture it. It would be the biggest gamble of all but if any case has such a thing going for it, it's this one.
Why did he went to the wine cellar first, and of course he took his friend with him as a witness?
Many secrets reside in the 'basement sequence' and IMO it is one of the keys to unlocking the whole mystery. The other keys are figuring out what really happened on the 23rd and what took place Christmas morning that caused them to stop taking photographs and John to flee to the airport for hours until he had to come home for the party.
Second of all, their son was nine at the time. And he said that he is moving on with his life?! He was talking about his sisters murder like he was talking about going to the store?
Odd duck or not, kids are quick learners. He's going to pick up fairly quickly how the adults in the Ramsey circle were reacting to her murder. Some of the things he said sound like he is merely parroting things he's heard.
On Dr. Phill's show after he was asked some of the questions about the case (not if he killed her) he was very nervous and he looked few times to his left, probably to his lawyer or dad or both. Everyone knows that nobody would come to the show if they do not know the questions before the show, and what questions are not to be asked. so those few questions, when he looked nervous and looked away(and his nervous smile disappeared) were very close to those that were prohibited?!
Of course he's nervous. It was his public debut and what a place to debut....a show watched by millions. This also wasn't a private fireside chat. He's in a room full of people. Nothing surprising about him looking around the room.
Like UK and otg said, nothing wrong with your english.:loveyou:
UK....
Then there is the size-12's, massive red flag here. There is no need for JonBenet to be wearing her niece's underwear, period. JonBenet had Fifteen pairs of underwear in her drawer and any pair would have been sufficient to normalize the staged crime-scene. Then we have Patsy claiming the remaining size-12's were in JonBenet's underwear drawer, to which BPD tell us there were none.
You're acting like they went over the place with a fine tooth comb and Hoover vacuum. Dear lord, in the "interrogations" they are asking Patsy questions about evidence that they themselves should have seized. The Ramseys cant be blamed for LE incompetence.
What I do not get is, assuming the case is PDI. Patsy has all night to stage a crime-scene, e.g. remove the urine-stained long johns and size-12's, which are behind the bedwetting scenarios, this she fails to do.
Maybe because there's no legitimate reason to remove them. I doubt she was thinking about a detective getting into a bedwetting theory or someone believing her nine year old son inflicted this horror.
If the case is PDI and Patsy is the killer and stager of JonBenet's crime-scene how come she is ignorant regarding the pineapple snack and the location of the size-12's?
Maybe because there was no "pineapple snack"? A kid walking through a mansion and grabbing a bite of pineapple along the way doesn't really constitute a sit down meal. It was also fairly late(relatively speaking) and if she's tipsy or had any scooby snacks, she's not going to give a rat's rump about a bowl of pineapple sitting there.
From the available information it appears more likely that the parents arrived on the primary crime-scene long after JonBenet had been assaulted and partially redressed in the size-12's and Burke Ramsey's long johns.
I haven't seen any of this available information telling us that they likely arrived on the primary crime scene long after she was attacked. I know IDI sure would have loved to see such information the past 20 years.
If they arrive and she's partially redressed, there's absolutely nothing stopping them from redressing her. Hell...there was enough time between the 911 call and LE arrival to pull those off of her. If that's not enough, John certainly has the time when he goes back to the basement for spring cleaning.
The parents were ignorant about many elements surrounding JonBenet's death. I reckon they basically moved her body and faked a crime-scene down in the basement, probably intending to remove Burke's long johns and dress in her in the Barbie nightgown, for some reason they never made it.
I thought you believed she was redressed and wiped down? Why would they put his long johns on her yet at the same time forget to remove them? Why would they want to remove them in the first place?
There's less than zero signs they were "ignorant" of anything surrounding their daughter's death.
Although we think the parents assumed Burke assaulted JonBenet, it might be he has never admitted anything to them.
THis is where your version of BDI goes completely off the rails. You have Burke not communicating with them at all and vice versa. This begs a huge question....
How would they even know Burke killed her? They would've had to witness her homicide to actually know. Do you really believe these people stumbled upon their murdered child and just figured what the hell...it
might be Burke so let's cover it all up?
For the sake of this discussion let's say he did it.....
John and Patsy are in his face immediately after finding her....Patsy likely slapping the hell out of him, regardless of whether or not she's ever spanked him before. JOhn and Patsy are going to have words...and that may get physical as well.
Under no circumstances is there zero communication between the family in the aftermath of a homicide.
Yet if the case is either PDI or JDI and they have all night to stage a crime-scene, why leave your daughter dressed in oversized underwear and her brother's long johns, thereby implicating him?
It doesn't implicate him. Back when we had this discussion last year almost half the active female WS members said they also wore their brothers clothing around the house. We know she did as well. There are also several logical explanations for the panties....none of which lead us straight to the murderer.
She can be wearing what she was found in no matter who the actual killer was.
There is no smoking gun evidence that nails BDI down,
You can say that again....
Out of the three people in the house, he is on the list at number three regarding how much evidence can actually link him to the crime.
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