Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #2

[Steely Dan]

And now the worst thing to happen to Jodi begins to happen right now. She starts to fade into obscurity. Maybe when she dies there will be snippet in the paper, but by then who'll give a :censored:

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Just read that Juan prosecuted one of Juror 17's husbands in 2000.

Yes, unbelievable!!!

Thud


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[Sulamith]

I believe MDLR is self-employed. At least that's what I remember from the first trial. Her "linkedin" is no longer available. This is an article from last year about the Sheriff's office investigating her home.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/03/jodi_arias_mitigation_speciali.php

Her Linkedin profile is still there. I am looking at it now.

 

[Ransom]

Since they had already begun deliberating, i think all that she could have done at that point is declare a mistrial anyway because I dont think she could put an alternate in once they started deliberations.

I maybe mistaken though. Its a good question if an alternate could have been put in and make them start deliberating all over maybe?

I disagree. Happened here in NM when I was juror. We were deliberating and one juror refused to speak/deliberate. Several of us told the bailiff, who in turn told the judge. We were called in one by one to explain. Juror was removed and an alternate replaced said juror. We had to start all over again.

 

[Mindmatters]

The date Tara Kelley (Juror #17 from the guilt phase) appeared on Dr. Drew was Thursday, October 23, 2014.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/10/23/jodi-arias-criminal-trial-juror-tara-kelley

Thanks Hez, makes sense and undoubtedly this was the reason for the in chambers super secret meeting.

 

[concernedmother]

Jodi didnt win anything . Her ticket on the bus to Perryville will be handed to her April 13th where she will go to her new home never to be outside the prison walls again. The real victory here was when 12 jurors came back with a guilty verdict. Even if she got DP she probably never would have been executed. jmo.

 

[TartLemon]

I really appreciate your time and your hard work , kimi_SFC. I no longer can listen to any of this.

They laid out the photos of Travis and there was no response from this murderer's groupie. It has to be devastating.

Meanwhile, I wish NG would shut the heck up and let her interviewees talk. I find her largely useless. I feel for juror #4 in having to deal with her.

Is it really fair to call this juror names? I'm no "murderer's groupie" but could not vote for DP. There was a point not so long ago that I would have been able to truthfully respond "YES" to the voir dire question of being able to sentence someone to death. JM is just as responsible as KN for this person being a juror. JM also had resources from his own personal work files to research her.

IMO, to refer to her as "stealth", "groupie" or anything else is absolutely 100% NOT fair to the Constitutionally mandated jury system. Is this juror so bewitching and mesmerizing that SHE, out of the multitudes in the pool called to be considered, could guarantee seating? I think NOT.

 

[Val1]

If this is true, this is beyond the cusp.

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Yup and from what I've seen, this previous husband just happened to have some kind of "Last Movement" on his record as of 03/03/2015. Add that to the Minutes, on the same date, that one of our posters was questioning:

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/032015/m6723569.pdf

"LET THE RECORD REFLECT that the Evidentiary Hearing scheduled on 10/20/14 Re:
Defense Motion to Dismiss State’s Notice of Intent to Seek Death Penalty Due to Continued
State Misconduct was vacated and the Court ruled on the pleadings.

The Court now affirms that the Court admitted Defense Exhibits 1-4 for the purposes of
that ruling only and the exhibits are admitted effective 11/21/14.
Filed: Exhibit Worksheet

 

[Val1]

I disagree. Happened here in NM when I was juror. We were deliberating and one juror refused to speak/deliberate. Several of us told the bailiff, who in turn told the judge. We were called in one by one to explain. Juror was removed and an alternate replaced said juror. We had to start all over again.

Perhaps this juror had been coached beforehand... as in should they try to get rid of you, write the judge a note requesting a specific alternate so they won't grant it.

 

[Greater Than]

Just read that Juan prosecuted one of Juror 17's husbands in 2000.

Did nobody vet her? Ex husband is currently in prison - prosecuted by Juan.

Current husband has been in and out of prison regularly and has a lengthy record of violent crimes.

Would the PT really select the ex wife of a criminal he prosecuted himself? And would they pick a woman who clearly believes in second chances by the looks of current husband's rap sheet?

I want to walk away from this trial for good, but juror #17 keeps dragging me back in.

 

[GigiG]

I disagree..the bias she showed toward the DT and Jodi wasn't because she sympathizes with her or feels she's innocent, but because she feared any appellate issues. She ruled by fear.... fear that the conviction and/or sentence would be overturned on appeal. It was her first DP trial and her inexperienced showed.

Fear is a poor motivator; it implies operating from an inferior position.

 

[Sulamith]

Just read that Juan prosecuted one of Juror 17's husbands in 2000.

How many husbands did Juror 17 have? I sure would not want to be judged my by my husbands's choices.

 

[TexMex]

O/T? The point remains

Guilty of MULTIPLE cold, calculated heinous MURDERS yet sentenced to LWOP in DP States:

Dennis Rader - 10 victims

Gary Ridgway - Convicted of 49, confessed to at least 71, presumed to be 90+ (he can't recall all of them. So many the facts get mixed up)

Randy Woodfield - 18 (probably more, but he ain't talking)

Wayne Williams - 2 convictions suspected in @30 others.

Rader:
Aug 18, 2005 - Rader could not face the death penalty because Kansas did not reinstate capital punishment until 1994, three years after his last killing.


Ridgway:
Plea agreement: Pleaded guilty Nov. 5, 2003, to 48 counts of aggravated first-degree murder in a deal that spared him from execution and finally brought answers in the infamous and long-unsolved slayings.

Woodfield
Oregon didn't have the death penalty atthe time. If it did, Marion County Circuit Judge Clarke Brown told Woodfield, he would have "no hesitancy imposing it"

 

[Frigga]

Holy, you guys have been busy tonight. I walked away after the shock wore off and spent a fabulous afternoon/evening with the family. I took great comfort in knowing Jodi will never be able to do that.

I hope everyone here is ready to accept the verdict and move on soon. No matter what Bad info is found on 17, it's not going to change the outcome. I find it so sad and disgusting that 17 had to request Police Protection over her home tonight. No matter what has happened, that is just not right. Nobody should be showing up at her house.
It's behaviours like this that prove Nurmi is right about the public being TOO involved.

Travis wouldn't have wanted anyone acting this way. I'm going to light my candle. Say a prayer for the family and hope that tonight, he's flying free, finally.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=TVA

Awww, Nash, (((((hugs))))). I agree. Thank you for your compassion, it is lovely.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

they are not to consider that or even know about it according to most commentators..and any thing I have seen in past trials.

Even if, so what? Big deal. What can happen? A mistrial.....? pfft.

 

[Mindmatters]

And AZL answered that very question today and said its VERY difficult to do, and easily can get overturned on appeal. Refusing to change your mind is not "not deliberating" it says so in the instructions. Saying she saw the movie (if JSS was told), all JSS would have to do at the point is tell the other jurors to disregard whatever she said in deliberations, and instruct the juror not to consider it. If I could link her post, I would...but she explained why it wasn't as easy as we think to "replace" the juror. The fact that this juror would look at journals, etc can be indications she was deliberating, explaining her position.

Also, from what I read, we aren't certain the jurors told JSS about the movie issue, just that she wasn't deliberating.

OMG nothing is about Justice here, and everything is about avoiding appeals--my goodness it really sounds like and seems as if Lady Justice has been reduced to a quivering mass of what ifs, afraid to take a stand for Truth and Justice in fear of getting knocked down, and coerced into substituting principles for principals. This is truly a shame IMO.

And let me guess, the big bully that is paralyzing the AZ CJ system, instilling this fear, and subverting the pursuit of Justice is the infamous and out of control US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

 

[wendiesan]

Has this already been explained? If so, my apologies, but I have the same question re: alternates. What is there purpose ? Why didn't they let the rogue juror walk out as she wanted to do ? Would she not have been replaced with an alternate ? Or, would that cause a mistrial ? Which goes back to the question: what is the purpose of having alternate jurors ? AZL, someone ? TIA

The rogue juror didn't want to walk out. When she refused to deliberate with the other jurors, they asked JSS to replace her with an alternate. JSS refused to listen, but, yes a judge could have replaced a juror who refused to look at evidence and wanted to base her vote on a Lifetime movie she had seen.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Oh wow. There needs to be an investigation into this juror.

I know AZLawyer chimed in earlier, before this latest turn of events.

I am seriously upset to hear this. I would be floored to hear J#17 revealed this relationship during Voir Dire. JM wouldn't have allowed her to remain on this jury. :no:

*IF* this is true, this goes beyond "six degree of separation" into something so sinister, I can't even fully verbalize it. :silenced:

We all witnessed the end result today. Juror #4's heartbreaking interview on NG (still working on the full transcript :blushing: ) as well as the post-verdict presser with the jurors and alternates - minus j#17 - left little doubt as to the dynamics playing out during trial and deliberations.

I still need to hear from AZLawyer and our other amazing WS Legal Eagles that something can be done! I truly believe a full investigation - possibly by an outside agency (or three!) may need to be done to uncover what really happened here.

The truth of the matter needs to be revealed, no matter how long it takes. If the process was tainted, it must be addressed. I realize IANAL, but this feels like a travesty of justice.

And it's not because I didn't like the verdict. It's because the foundation upon which the entire process is supposed to work was inherently broken. It's not supposed to happen this way.

I hope I am making sense.

May the light of day bring renewed hope that truth and justice will not be defeated. This can't be over yet, it just can't. lease:

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[RadarLuv]

Transparency in all things public should be demanded by the public in which it serves. Sadly, people do not have the funds (or interest) to fight for transparency in our government. I can only guess that things will get worse. I hope the media of AZ has hired some powerful attorneys to fight for the rights in which they were denied in this trial. I know they were mad enough. Hopefully they will follow through.

 

[RadarLuv]

also, does anyone have links to the secret testimony?