Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[zoey]

With the publicity that Dr, Phil is giving their foundation ,I'm even more upset that the SA's decided not to charge Cindy with perjury. She's still free to do a lot a damage .

however, I don't feel it is good attention...when you have some of HLN peeps really upset with how forgiving and unremorseful Cindy appears---that is bring forth alot of anger towards them all over again...they seem to finally be seeing the light that we have seen since day 31....As for George--I always think that he believed the way he did all along --- just jumped on the crazy ship for a bit---but stopped the koolaide and this is the him---not holding back..... jmo :innocent:

 

[krkrjx]

I'm sure you are right, but I keep hoping against hope that after the end of tomorrow's segment DP will come on with a little postscript and say that they don't deserve a penny! Especially considering all of the public outrage this has generated, KWIM? JMO.

Hahahaha...that would be a hoot!

But I am sure they have a contract and Phil will not be able to renege on that.

 

[grammieto5]

Their actions that day speak volumes to me. The only explanation that makes any kind of sense to me is they have covered for KC before.They know her & what she is capable of. I don't believe this was KC's first rodeo, nor do I believe it's her last...

Which I believe brings us to LA statement "is this like the last time"

 

[PeteyGirl]

Snipping this part...



I've met a lot of them. Even if I hadn't read enough on grief to know that spending money is something that many grieving people do, I've seen enough people do it in my own personal life that I know it's a reality. I just can't judge anybody who does that. One person sits and cries, another spends money or does other things.

It is definitely a reality. That people express their grief with deep commonalities with their personality as a whole.

Am I hearing you correctly, that you believe how a person expresses their grief is not connected to their integrity as a person? Their deep seated value system, their "world view"?

That it is not possible to judge someone by how they behave?

 

[PeteyGirl]

Right you are! I totally agree with each person grieves differently. I can retract that part. While I HATE shopping, I have done it in times of stress.... but I still think they seem cavalier about the whole mess.

Azcrabcakes, what follows is kind of a rant but NOT directed at you. I agree with you 100%

Each person does grieve differently, like each person opens Christmas presents differently, responds to a situation differently . . . but not THAT differently. There are not endless permutations to how a human being will respond.

There really IS a connection, and it is very OK to take note of it and JUDGE because of it. It's OK to form an opinion, and to use that educated opinion to guide further responses from YOU.

A cavalier response is not some kind of isolated response from the rest of the griever's personality. Like you say, it is abnormal, it means much more than "this person goes shopping when they grieve".

It tells a story about the Anthony's relationship with Caylee Marie, how they grieve her death.

They have grieved Caylee in very understandable, "conventional" ways. Shock, outrage, devastation. They have ALSO behaved in appalling ways, and those TOO tell a story about Caylee's place in their lives.

It is about daring to put together the pieces of a puzzle. You can refuse to put together puzzle pieces and therefore, "refuse to judge".

You can use your God given common sense and life experience to put the pieces of the puzzle together, too. And "cavalier" is almost an understatement to how the Anthony's have behaved in response to the loss of Caylee.

What I see is a family who exploit EVERYTHING.

To even DARE to set up a "grandparent's foundation" and go on Dr Phil and continue to vomit lies and nonsense as if we are so stupid to buy it also tells a story -- the Anthony's think we are stupid enough to believe them. Cindy especially is contemptuous enough to hope her outrageous lies will be "bought" by a seriously stupid public.

They do this, and think we don't NOTICE they are exploiting us, exploiting our outrage over Caylee's death? They are an insult to grandparent's everywhere. They are hiding their intention to exploit behind a serious issue -- grandparent's rights.

I suppose one could refuse to put those puzzle pieces together and chalk it up to individual differences in how human beings respond to grief. For me, I'd have to ignore large portions of my life experience and common sense to do so. I'd have to REFUSE, literally, to THINK.

 

[MissJames]

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I've met a lot of them. Even if I hadn't read enough on grief to know that spending money is something that many grieving people do, I've seen enough people do it in my own personal life that I know it's a reality. I just can't judge anybody who does that. One person sits and cries, another spends money or does other things.

I'm sorry,but I just don't think that's true when a child dies.
Because my child died I also have talked to many and read much on grieving.Husband and wives often grieve differently.The expectations of those in the life of one who is grieving ,can be an issue .

And yes,one way of dealing with the depression that sets in ,once the shock has worn off, is to use escape behavior. Shopping,drinking ,gambling,etc,can be part of those behavior,but the A's have a talent for being able to do it in the midst of a crisis. They do it TOGETHER. It wasn't just one of them showing a different way of grieving,it was ALL of them.

IMO,it's because they are shallow. Their feeling and caring for others doesn't run very deep. That's why they can "move on" so quickly .

At many different hearings and in many different interviews,Cindy spoke of Caylee and the case, just as did at the trial,but she acted like she was grieving during her testimony at the trial. A little late ,IMO.

People gave up their vacations to come look for Caylee,used their hard earned money to donate.
It was unseemly for the Anthony's to show off their new tattoos and diamond stud ,while laying back ,enjoying a cruise ,when they weren't making payments on their home and Cindy was claiming she was too distraught to work.
According to Cindy's own testimony ,Gentiva paid her for two years on disability.She was spending money that she wasn't working for.That money comes from the consumers who pay for Gentiva's services.
As for Casey,she simply had no grief. No loving mother could be as casual as she was ,on the same day her daughter died.

 

[MissJames]

Hahahaha...that would be a hoot!

But I am sure they have a contract and Phil will not be able to renege on that.

Unless there is a clause in the contract ,some stipulations that must be followed.
His staff did their homework,I'm sure ,and know their is a credibility issue. Fingers crossed they are 2 steps ahead of the Anthony's

 

[Nore]

I cannot forget Lee asking Casey, "Is this like the last time?"

WTH was that all about, I would like to know!

CA and GA both have said Caylee was never out of their home for more than a day until the 31 days. But they lie so easily that we do not know what statements might be true. Could Casey have taken Caylee away for days or weeks at a time prior to June 2008 but brought her back safely each time? Did both CA and GA tell themselves she would come home safely this time as well?

What other things had Casey done that her mother cleaned up for her? Did Cindy just automatically go into "fix things by cleaning up this mess" mode because she was used to doing this over the years?

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krkrjx, this has been bugging me to no end. I wish LA. would open up and tell but he wont. I keep hoping this wasnt a repeat. Wish someone could see the medical records from OB..:seeya:

 

[Justin Tyme]

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krkrjx, this has been bugging me to no end. I wish LA. would open up and tell but he wont. I keep hoping this wasnt a repeat. Wish someone could see the medical records from OB..:seeya:

I'm lost. What is OB?

 

[kimmera]

I'm lost. What is OB?

OB= Obstetrician

 

[MsMacGyver]

Azcrabcakes, what follows is kind of a rant but NOT directed at you. I agree with you 100%

Each person does grieve differently, like each person opens Christmas presents differently, responds to a situation differently . . . but not THAT differently. There are not endless permutations to how a human being will respond.

There really IS a connection, and it is very OK to take note of it and JUDGE because of it. It's OK to form an opinion, and to use that educated opinion to guide further responses from YOU.

A cavalier response is not some kind of isolated response from the rest of the griever's personality. Like you say, it is abnormal, it means much more than "this person goes shopping when they grieve".

It tells a story about the Anthony's relationship with Caylee Marie, how they grieve her death.

They have grieved Caylee in very understandable, "conventional" ways. Shock, outrage, devastation. They have ALSO behaved in appalling ways, and those TOO tell a story about Caylee's place in their lives.

It is about daring to put together the pieces of a puzzle. You can refuse to put together puzzle pieces and therefore, "refuse to judge".

You can use your God given common sense and life experience to put the pieces of the puzzle together, too. And "cavalier" is almost an understatement to how the Anthony's have behaved in response to the loss of Caylee.

What I see is a family who exploit EVERYTHING.

To even DARE to set up a "grandparent's foundation" and go on Dr Phil and continue to vomit lies and nonsense as if we are so stupid to buy it also tells a story -- the Anthony's think we are stupid enough to believe them. Cindy especially is contemptuous enough to hope her outrageous lies will be "bought" by a seriously stupid public.

They do this, and think we don't NOTICE they are exploiting us, exploiting our outrage over Caylee's death? They are an insult to grandparent's everywhere. They are hiding their intention to exploit behind a serious issue -- grandparent's rights.

I suppose one could refuse to put those puzzle pieces together and chalk it up to individual differences in how human beings respond to grief. For me, I'd have to ignore large portions of my life experience and common sense to do so. I'd have to REFUSE, literally, to THINK.

A Thank You wasn't enough...From your mouth to God's ears..Very well said!

 

[MsMacGyver]

The worst thing I heard CA say during Dr. P interview...Justice for Caylee was when her mother walked free....My heart dropped into my stomach, I couldn't believe I had actually heard this come out of her mouth. I have no doubt this family has felt the loss of Caylee but I do think there was a pivotal point where they made a decision to defend the felon and I feel like Caylee was left in that swamp alone forever. I find myself wondering what this little girls thoughts were when we see videos like the time she was put on CA's fathers lap. She laid her head on his shoulder and it almost looked like she was afraid to move. At the A's cook out when CA kept guiding her to the creepy guy singing. You could tell Caylee wasn't too keen on this guy. When I saw inside Caylees room and there was a whole basket of sunglasses. I think some posts have mentioned how it seemed so many pictures with Caylee and the felon were posed, she was used as an accessory. The videos where the felon was running the camera but not a sound from her, how could you not talk to that cute little baby. I noticed in some of the videos how aggressive Caylee was towards the felon. Kicking her in the face and grabbing her bottom jaw and pulling down. I know some kids are just naturally like that but you have to wonder with the power struggle going on between CA and the felon , the jealousy felt by her own mother, how confusing it could have been for Caylee. Kids are so smart and honest at that age.

 

[grammieto5]

I've been wondering why I always thought CA loved Caylee. Was it because Caylee had a cute little playhouse with her own mailbox, or was it because Caylee had so many shoes, and toys, and clothes? Where's the proof CA cared about Caylee. There's so much proof CA did not care for Caylee. I believe CA has covered up for FCA before. Remember when LA said "is this like the last time" I believe if CA was truely grieving for Caylee CA would not have left Caylee in the swamp. I now believe CA did not truly love Caylee. I believe CA may have been one of those Grandma's who can not love/like a certain grandchild because of who the father/mother is of that Grandchild. I believe CA had no feelings for Caylee because of who Caylee's father is. I believe CA has always known who Caylee's father is.

 

[essies]

So what have we learned from this interview?
According to KC (I assume this is KC's version-cause it was JB's OS)-George and KC were frantically looking for Caylee and George found her and got her out of the pool and screamed at KC-KC then took her and cried. What then? According to KC/JB George did something with her and then RK stole the body and hid it for months till he wanted it discovered.
According to George-he saw them leave the morning of June 16th and he doesn't know anymore than that. But, he believes 1+1=2 and KC is responsible (maybe with help).
According to CA-She believes Caylee drowned and KC put her in the woods (maybe with help) and somebody moved her cause she wasn't found where she put her and that's why KC couldn't tell LE the truth cause she couldn't produce a body!!
It's amazing that KC has been found NG and these <unusual> people still can't get their story straight and yet they would like us to "move on"!!! :banghead:
I wish it was that easy!!!:maddening:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Azcrabcakes, what follows is kind of a rant but NOT directed at you. I agree with you 100%

Each person does grieve differently, like each person opens Christmas presents differently, responds to a situation differently . . . but not THAT differently. There are not endless permutations to how a human being will respond.

There really IS a connection, and it is very OK to take note of it and JUDGE because of it. It's OK to form an opinion, and to use that educated opinion to guide further responses from YOU.

A cavalier response is not some kind of isolated response from the rest of the griever's personality. Like you say, it is abnormal, it means much more than "this person goes shopping when they grieve".

It tells a story about the Anthony's relationship with Caylee Marie, how they grieve her death.

They have grieved Caylee in very understandable, "conventional" ways. Shock, outrage, devastation. They have ALSO behaved in appalling ways, and those TOO tell a story about Caylee's place in their lives.

It is about daring to put together the pieces of a puzzle. You can refuse to put together puzzle pieces and therefore, "refuse to judge".

You can use your God given common sense and life experience to put the pieces of the puzzle together, too. And "cavalier" is almost an understatement to how the Anthony's have behaved in response to the loss of Caylee.

What I see is a family who exploit EVERYTHING.

To even DARE to set up a "grandparent's foundation" and go on Dr Phil and continue to vomit lies and nonsense as if we are so stupid to buy it also tells a story -- the Anthony's think we are stupid enough to believe them. Cindy especially is contemptuous enough to hope her outrageous lies will be "bought" by a seriously stupid public.

They do this, and think we don't NOTICE they are exploiting us, exploiting our outrage over Caylee's death? They are an insult to grandparent's everywhere. They are hiding their intention to exploit behind a serious issue -- grandparent's rights.

I suppose one could refuse to put those puzzle pieces together and chalk it up to individual differences in how human beings respond to grief. For me, I'd have to ignore large portions of my life experience and common sense to do so. I'd have to REFUSE, literally, to THINK.

Not to mention - why, why, WHY are they setting up anything related to grandparents' rights?? According to them, FCA was a great, awesome, amazing mom. According to them they would have had no reason to utilize any rights to adopt Caylee.

 

[Justin Tyme]

essies - I love your signature.

"It's time to tell the story of a little girl named Caylee" Linda Drane Burdick

Sadly know one was listening to her story. Not even Dr. Phil.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I honestly wonder how deep Cindy's love really was for Caylee and if she loved her was it only because she belonged to her chosen child? Would she have been so attentive and supportive if Caylee had belonged to Lee? Something tells me she would not. Oh she would 'love' the child of Lee's because Cindy does what makes her look better but so much of her actions show deep down now that Caylee is gone its back to being all about Casey and she is very dismissive of Caylee now.

But was it more about Caylee being an extension of Casey and she sees Casey as an extension of herself?

Even though Cindy has always acted quite strange imo the more she talks the more I see her trivialize Caylee's death. How could she dare do that to Caylee and reflect so little or no emotions when doing so.

Could she have deeply loved her like she tries to pretend yet talk so callously about her remains being thrown away and it seems to be nothing to her? Doesn't seem to bother her at all that her granddaughter's remains were just 15 houses away in a swamp decomposing each day. Wouldn't that thought just break the heart of any loving grandparent? I know it would me and I could never forget it or get over it. Yet, Cindy.........she doesn't seem bothered by that at all. How can a grandmother forsake their little deceased granddaughter and that is what she has done in order to make a gazillion excuses for the inexcusable one.

So I am now not so sure how deep her love really ever was but am now wondering if it was more about pleasing Casey and being the 'perfect" (in Cindy's mind) grandmother for Casey's child.

IMO

 

[MsMacGyver]

I'm sorry,but I just don't think that's true when a child dies.
Because my child died I also have talked to many and read much on grieving.Husband and wives often grieve differently.The expectations of those in the life of one who is grieving ,can be an issue .

And yes,one way of dealing with the depression that sets in ,once the shock has worn off, is to use escape behavior. Shopping,drinking ,gambling,etc,can be part of those behavior,but the A's have a talent for being able to do it in the midst of a crisis. They do it TOGETHER. It wasn't just one of them showing a different way of grieving,it was ALL of them.

IMO,it's because they are shallow. Their feeling and caring for others doesn't run very deep. That's why they can "move on" so quickly .

At many different hearings and in many different interviews,Cindy spoke of Caylee and the case, just as did at the trial,but she acted like she was grieving during her testimony at the trial. A little late ,IMO.
People gave up their vacations to come look for Caylee,used their hard earned money to donate.
It was unseemly for the Anthony's to show off their new tattoos and diamond stud ,while laying back ,enjoying a cruise ,when they weren't making payments on their home and Cindy was claiming she was too distraught to work.
According to Cindy's own testimony ,Gentiva paid her for two years on disability.She was spending money that she wasn't working for.That money comes from the consumers who pay for Gentiva's services.
As for Casey,she simply had no grief. No loving mother could be as casual as she was ,on the same day her daughter died.

Ca seems to have a whole deck of cards ready to use...The God card, My grandaughter is missing card, I've lost my grandaughter card, I'm a grieving grandmother card and on and on she goes. She pulls these cards out when she needs an out. The day the verdict was read CA was assisted into the court room. She seemed fragile and very ill. Once the verdict was read she seemed to recover quite well and quite fast. I was amazed at how her body recovered instantly. This whole family draws the emotion from their loss and takes advantage of those who are caring people when in reality..IMO..it's an act to achieve a goal and it worked for them.
When I get lost in all the mess, I go back to the beginning. I remember how much she enjoyed the media attention. I believe she thought the felon was hiding Caylee from her. When the media and LE started to figure out what was going on, CA went from a victim to an accomplice.
People have said things like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. What they might be saying is we see a pattern emerging, a connection between mother, father and daughter. We actually see from what is said by the parents, where the felon could have "learned" some of her behavior. When they say sociopath they could just be saying the felons behavior isn't normal. Not all of us are educated in the field of LE or psychology but we can draw conclusions based on our experiences in life.

 

[bayouland]

Just chiming in. Of course JMO.

I think Cindy did love Caylee, probably as much as is possible for someone with the personality traits she has.

Cindy has made it through the stages of loss. She is in the acceptance phase and has accepted the fact that Caylee is gone forever and FCA is still alive. She's lost one child and doesn't want to lose two, especially since she is co-dependant on FCA.

I think she rationally knows FCA doesn't deserve the loyalty she is showing her, and so she compensates by trivializing the death of Caylee. (Just a "shell", "justice" when she walked).

She is despicable.

 

[essies]

Here's a little perspective on how Cindy has learned to handle interviews and interviewers since 2008!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf1oC0q-2nQ"]Tips & Tricks! Dodging Questions the Cindy Anthony Way! - YouTube[/ame]