SeriouslySearching: 7/12/09
Yes, very close to the bridge...as in feet away.
The red dot is the Shell station, the blue is the park and ride parking, and the bridge is the located where you see the hot pink. The yellow dot is Lindsey's house. I believe the FD sits behind the southwest end of the P & R lot between the building with a greenish roof and the white w/dark gray roof along 3rd is the City Hall/PD.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - WA-10 y/o Lindsey Baum, missing since 6/26/09 Thread #5
Kseal: 7/12/09
think it's a hollow sound that I'm hearing like when you're in an large empty metal building. OR even when you're under ground and you're yelling through a metal pipe.
SeriouslySearching: 7/12/09
It sounds cavernous and "tinney". Right?
Do they have storm shelters, old bomb shelters, etc. in WA?
Kseal: 7/12/09
Originally Posted by kageykaren I hate to bug again but had an idea to add. Two things hit me to ask. Did the echo voice sound near or far? Wherever the voice may be comming from did it reverberate? An empty space will have a louder reverb effect, verses a space that has objects inside.? Thanks
It sounded far away and like an empty space.
Kseal: 7/12/09
Originally Posted by kageykaren In your gut are you feeling that the sound is similar to a prefab metal bldg., with possible 2-3 garage doors allowing a vehicle to drive into a bay for repairs? If this does, it ties in with other posts that are referring to car garages.
Not sure exactly, just empty echo sound, far away and tinny. I don't see anything just hear it. It's also been two days since I've heard the screaming. Sorry
SeriouslySearching:
If you look at the photos 17Seconds took of the buildings up close...it looks like the one with the green roof in the map could be like a City garage type place and sits to the left of the FD which faces the park so the back of it would be towards Mommsen. Not sure what the smaller building is used for, but appears to match the FD. The curved white building with the dark gray roof connected to the City Hall...not sure what it is for...but is visible in the photos that JVK took from Beerbower Park.
http://s660.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=IMG_1473.jpg
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - JVK's Trips To McCleary, WA
Kseal: 7/12/09
Yes the tall garage type building, I don't know if it's beerbower park. The pic is from JVK's visit. It just stands out to me. I can see Lindsey being upset because of not sleeping over and then going over to hang out in that park area before curfew.
Kseal: 7/13/09
Groups have also been searching trails behind the Simpson Door mill. Friends said it was an area the girl liked to visit.
That echo (hollow and tinney) I hear when she screams, do ya'll think it might come from being down in a well? Everything I've searched today regarding wells, storm shelters, bomb shelters keeps bringing up Simpson Door Mill. I'm thinking she's in a well somewhere behind Simpson Door Mill. I think it was an accident, she fell in because it was kinda dark.
KageyKaren: 7/13/09
I'm not sure who's post to pull as I see relavance to all posts. I mentally take a step back and try and think what an overall view of the disappearence and the areas talked about by us. SS had what I feel is an accurate account by Lindsey's good friend that we could take to heart as truth. This friend talked about the areas we are mentioning as being a place they liked to go to to play and hangout. Another said the girls like to go on a back trail behind the bldgs. we are discussing. My first thought is pay attention to the overall picture of this area, not individual aspects of that immediate area as being the end all. The end all could be a passing (astro thread) or the end of her life in Mc Clery as she may have been transfered. As much as I want to believe that Lindsey was taken to be sold into slavery I'm not getting that feel. Poster mentioned urban like males so I think it is relavant to look into the demigraphics of the immediate area and also find out the age group that frequents the park during the hours after dusk. LE would have an idea what kids stick out like a sore thumb when the sun goes down. The echo sound of screams resignating from a large type metal buiding has one wanting to look at that particular bldg. past the park, possibly in front of the trails. Does that person work on cars in the bldg? Is there a particular water source for that property and the land on that street? What is the talk about town concerning meth use by teens and early 20's? To what extent did Lindsey feel she was introuble with mom as she left her friends home? Was Linsey the type of 10yr.old girl to say to herself, "I don't even want to go home." "I don't want to be yelled out,go to my room for the rest of the night." "I'm so mad at mom and brother", "their not the boss of me". Mom stated Lindsey is a drama queen. Would the feelings that come with this age (drama queen is sometimes mistaken for the prehormonal changes when a little girl begins her periods into womanhood) have caused Lindsey to walk the opposite way towards Simpson. I wish we had information as to the time of when Lindsey & friends frequented the park. Such a bummer they have moved the command center out of McCleary. Is there a rhyme to their reason thinking the perp will slip up? I'm not getting that vibe. I have the feeling LE caved way to soon. (OOoo, I just had a deja vue while typing this last setence ) I feel something was going to "turn over" just before the park celebration. I used those words as they came to mind instead of other words like, discover,solved, break open, or found. Is anyone feeling a sadness of loss of hope more today than days past?
Coastal: 7/13/09
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86190&page=4
Elepher50: 7/16/09
I am not leaning towards stranger abduction - it was somebody she knew and I wouldn't rule out the area that she lived before - Elma I believe it was. It could be somebody who has had a recent life change and has decided to act on long standing fantasies. I also would not rule out that Lindsey was targetted - it may not have been a random act - with no clues it leads me to believe that it was preplanned. By targetted I mean that a perp was targetting a victim and Lindsey happened to be in the wrong spot at that time.
Coastal: 721/09
I woke up with a very detailed and clear memory of traveling in a motorhome with my mother and an unidentified male (who I clearly trusted completely). My mother and I had taken this trip to do some birdwatching, a hobby she has enjoyed all of her life, but one I've not been enthusiastic about. We were being driven down a very steep, winding, bumpy, coastal road, when suddenly our trusted driver-friend slammed on the brakes, cut hard to the left, and then back right, aiming us and our motorhome straight for a very steep cliff. Tires screaming, we stopped inches away from certain death.
My mother stood up calmly and exited the motorhome. She called to me, "Come quick! These burros are dying! Oh, they are dying!" I ran outside to join her, and sure enough there stood twenty or thirty burros, all looking like they'd seen better days; they were dying of thirst. We built a sort of trough out of beer coolers, and filled that with fresh water. The grateful burros came to drink one by one, and one by one they each perked up and wandered away. The last and littlest needed a more hands-on approach, but my mother and I nursed him together, giving him water from a baby bottle, and a can of yams, of all things. When he finally recovered, and followed his fellows out of my dream, my mother and I stood looking at each other with a silly grin on both of our faces. It was twilight by now, and there wasn't any time left for birding, but we sure did feel good about what we had done with our afternoon.
So I looked up burros, on a dream inerpretation website.
They signify an end to stubbornness, and the division it can cause.
I haven't talked to my mother in months, because of a stubborn 'mad' I've been nurturing, about something she said that hurt my feelings.
SeriouslySearching 7/22/09
I had a dream this morning and all I remember are the words "delivery" and "Robert" which kept being repeated in my head. Not that this means anything
LadyBugSl: 8/1/09
It wasn't as much a "dream" as a "vision", long story short, I awoke this morning with a very strong feeling that Lindsey came across/witnessed something she wasn't supposed to, (behind the Shell Station?) while on her way home. I remember running and grass - and as I awoke the thought "where would Lindsey hide if she were being chased?"?
Concentric: 8/05/09
These words were just in my head this a.m. thinking about the case:
married
__ton truck
La Jolla
frozen items, food?
TamgMit: 8/05/09
Know the feeling have had a few words that I too have been thinking.
Jewlery, cash, Country side, train tracks, bridge, blackwater, fish
Concentric: 8/07/09
Early this a.m. I got another city in CA. Seems to be some movement city to city in CA. Don't get it.
KageyKaren:
What I'm trying to say is I don't put stock into my dreams when I may have one. This was a late afternoon when I began to doze. All the sudden I had a pain I'm caaling white pain because i got an instant brain type freeze feeling seeing a flash of brite white flash that lasted a nano second This dream moment was a moment that had me grimacing wanting to look away as it was horrific. I was awake trying to stay with it, knowing I had to look up from the ground as Lindsey was in the moment to see the abductor. I have never had to describe a dream state like this ever in life! I didn't even have lindsey on my mind as I had just been on FB with our MamaBear poster trying to figure out her farm game. Lindsey wasn't on my mind when I dozed. When the "swallow ice cube" brain freeze hit I immediately with no thought place my right palm hand kind of like Jack Benny, holding it, grimacing my head to the right, while my left hand was up like talk to the hand gesture. I took a breath as I saw that precious child laying on green grass with beige small bald spots integrated and green forrestry bushes and trees behind her. I would like to say it would have been an area openning to a straight backfield but it wasn't a baseball field. Her body was at the edge of the openning. She was barely alive. This is so hard to type and if I were family I wouldn't want to read this in a public forumn. Those that have come to know my postings know I'v never wrote about dreams. I go by educational understanding of the human condition and try to use what my husband refers to as Spock Logic. So in finishing this post I have released more for me and hopefully someone might help me understand this form of dream. Lindsey's eyes is what I zoned in on and they looked so fearful, confused"why'. I had to see these eyes through a smashed bloody face and the eyes were bloodvesiled broken bloody but she was alive. I turned my head to the left (I'm awake after that brain shock) in a squatting position next to Lindsey initially bending over her feeling like Oh my God, baby and knowing I had to force myself to look up and I a grown woman felt frightend but knew i had to. I put my left fist on my mouth, held my breath and a man had legs apart in a V, army green to olive green pleated pants with the darts at the top, clean. Skinny leather belt side ruffed small buckle dingy metal. Mediumn waste with the same color,slight tone difference [newer) brushed cotton shirt,small shirt buttuns buttoned up normally as a dress shirt. Hair and eyebrows dirty sandy blond. Cuffs buttoned as well. No pokets on shirt that stood out but one that seems to blend into shirt. He was looking down with proudness ,sereen satisfaction and just finishing a last tuck in as he looke at her bloodied without a squint of panic. She layed dead, torso,waist upward and limp bent at knees way to the right with him strattled. He was a clean washed man not looking like a labor worker, almost hard working manager type and comfortable with the look he has. Thats it. Thursday was aberdeen day and out of nowhere the night before he asked me if I wanted to stop in Mc Cleary and my mouth dropped. He is Spock Logic,only helped me try and locate 20 mi west SE and didn't even know that this was close to my heart as I'v spoken "Anthony" for a yr. We had a wonderful drive to Mc Cleary. He still doesn't know about my dream! I just wanted to get this out because the rest seemed to follow naturally that day. Figured if I got this out I could move on to other things left for another thread except it seems in a spiritually way I need to proceed from here and leave the other thread for fact investigating. The only other thing is when I first looked at Lindsey with those profuse blood veins eyeballs seemed to give me a last glance weekly to make me look up. When I did I expected to look back down at an alive Lindsey and she passed while i was looking. This wasn't quite a dream. In sluething my mind has taken to look at uniforms that had adorments removed The shirt was very brushed cotton med. gage fabric. If it may be a uniform I didn't see holes eyelets? for pins badges
KageyKaren: 8/8/09
Where you able to hear anything in surrounding area, such as vehicals off in a distance or water sound, sounds of the wood like frogs etc., or sense other things in the area such buildings. Can you get a sense of time of day it is. Is it real bright or low light. Do you feel that she knew him. Sometimes questions help jog parts of the memory of the dreams. I know this must be pretty difficult. My heart goes out to you kagey. Thank you for telling your dream. Hopefully soon she will be found
This is for you and coastal and I appreciate your response and most of all that you were able to realize my distress by this. To answer questions, No sound of anything! Sometimes the NW has what I call London days wether it is summer, winter or fall (I know carol King's song "You've Got a Firend LOL!) Take a horse shoe type land area. Upper part of the U shape poiint's to be right where the wall of brush and trees begins. and surrounds the whole area except aan entrance that didn't seemed well traveld I felt remote,in a clearing that seemed dark like our London days I mentioned, but felt no censation as to hot or cold temp. It wasn't dewy from a light rain but plush greenery. No picnic tables just so very still and quiet! The grass is that plush grass, that might make one want to put their lawn mower 1 above the lowest blade.
this isn't like a golf type ground but when I squatted to look into Linsdey's eye my periffial vision to my left front and up to about the perps knees I could see a net hanging loosely to the back right of the clearing and it wasn;t in great shape but weathered more than torn. In those moments I remember saying to myself," Don't look up towards the perp, it must be an old ball park except no bleachers, no back fence and no infield. I told myself to pay no mine as I was bent need on Lindsey's right wanting to hold onto the moment of what her face looked like as she was looking up at the perp and that is when she could only move her eyes to speak through them. This man had on leather type hush puppies comfy shoe 3 laces each shoe, and not knew just broken in. I'm thinking over grown golf course abandon. Thinking of Tuba right now made me agree this could be considered "lonely", but this grass must be cut as it wasn't overgrown which may be a sign that he new this site well. I didn't see the brutel attack taking place. This man didn't seemed panic to get out of the area once that last tiny tucking of his shirt. Like he would just leave and never look back. This man with sandy blond hair
messy just slightly over his ears, 2 3 days dirty and had two day not shaving look. It seemed to me his affect was proud of himself and had no fear to walk away and integrate back in to a community and work. A golf course abandon might have muddy areas? I think I can say this was a net to catch golf balls which would put this landing far from the actual golf course. I had no feelings like this for the perp when I began studing this case.
Kagey Karen: 8/9/09
No buildings. 3:30 to 5:00 in the evenning but a feel before five. Age of man early 40's more than 35 to 38 range but not close to 50,45 yrs of age. The one thing that stood out as I took my eyes from Lindsey to the an slowly looking up from the groun the slacks hung not tapeared slightly wider but hung nice all the way to waiste. That is it, nada, nothing else! Don't want another one! While at the shell gas station a day after the vision or whatever we noticed as it was busy there the men were quiet, looking down, not wanting eye contact with each other as they were taking care of business. My husband brought that up to me and I said you noticed that unsettled air surrounding the station. While junking in aberrdean I met a woman from Raymond Wa. we got to talking and she lived in Mc Cleary for 5 yrs. before moving and said the Mc Cleary police were crooked and everyone new it! Whoa!!!! I told her about this site and she was aware of W/S as she is a forensic astrologer but hasn't practiced it 10 yrs. due to path in life. Well of course I had to share our forumn of FA and it encouraged her to join. She stated she was going to talk with her friend in Mc Cleary?? Hopefully she will let me know if she joined as we hit it off. I looked away at a table with frames and had to move a book to look at them and the darn book title was "Black Widow." This particular road trip had so many uncanty coencidences. After I laid the book down I said good by to the sweet woman walke over to a dirty small metal elevator and there in this rickity elevator was a crumbled picture of Lindsey on her flyer.
KageyKaren:
Go here" Golf Link.com Then type in Lake Quinault Lodge. In your mind take away all structers, imagine grass greener, sky the color of periwinkle looking like it wants to rain but won't, a slight muggy heavy feel but a clean luscious green feel. Toes would love this grass. It doesn't look like golf turf. The spot would be smaller than this pic. I'v been searching the net to match the clothes on perp. I felt it was work attire looking up at him and height 5'8 realm. What do grounds keepers of golf courses, and resorts wear? I'v looked at LE and military and that isn't it.
KageyKaren: 8/09/09
SS this could very well be a spot next to a soccer feild as my mind felt "karen its an old ball field, concentrate on Lindsey. No sign for score, bleachers or mesh fence. Soccer grass is right on the money except not worn in. Eyebrows alittle wirey, could have used grooming but I can tell he wouldn't be concerned with dapper grooming more manager or janitorial grooming. Not a rich golfer polo guy. It actuall unerved me while in the moment that he had matching colors on and the olive green shirt was newer and the type of shirt that when you throw in the dryer it comes out perfect. Hair to middle of ears wiry as well strawberry sandy blond turing some color to gray but kind of blending in with the blondes and minimal strawberry color. Anglo saxon for sure! That shirt may have had a button pocket on my left as I looked up from laying ontop of Lindsey, facing the perp and it was difficut from ground level staring up. I didn't tell in my first post as I was taken aback. My mind was saying,"Lay like Lindsey look up at what she sees and I didn't want to but made myself . I was even creeped out having do that while laying on her. For some reason this was very important to her thatI lay like her. She new this man!!!!! if my dream into awaked vision is the best way to descibe the moment. Also this guy was not gross unattarctive, he just needed a bit of spiffing up if going to the Mteropolitan grill for example but didn't appear to be the type to go to those places. Yes he could clean up if he wanted to hang at a casino
