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Tuesday, February 26, 2013
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DR. PHIL SHOW - FIND MISSING DYLAN REDWINE
Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Dr. Phil:
Dylan Redwine has been described as a high spirited young boy, always laughing and smiling. He loves baseball, video games and a good slice of pizza. Dylan just celebrated his 14[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday, but sadly it wasn’t with cake or a party. Instead, his family was gathered around a vigil in honor of his special day, because almost three months earlier, young Dylan vanished without a trace and hasn’t been seen or heard from since.
Female Newscaster:
The search for 13-year-old Dylan Redwine has gone national.
Male Newscaster:
This is where it happened. His mom lives in Colorado Springs and it was over the Thanksgiving holiday Dylan was visiting his dad who lives not far from Durango.
ER:
It’s just horrible that this has happened to him.
Male Newscaster:
His father told police that he left to run errands at 7:30 that morning but found Dylan was gone when he came back home just four hours later
Reporter:
We’ve had Task Force members the last three days checking all the different buildings in the area.
Female Reporter:
Police do not think that Dylan simply ran away.
Male Newscaster:
Authorities searching for Dylan Redwine want you to take a close look at pictures of that missing 13-year-old taken the day before he disappeared. Now one of the security photos was taken at the Durango airport as Dylan arrived in the area to visit his dad.
The other photo is from a Durango Wal-Mart. He has not been seen since November 19[SUP]th[/SUP]
Unknown Female at Vigil:
Thank you from Dylan’s entire family.
Cory Redwine:
You know he’s my little brother and I looked up to him more than anybody else. We’re waiting to get the call that to go pick up my baby brother.
MR:
I want everybody to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him. He was such a wonderful boy and I’m reaching out to anybody that can help us find him
Female Reporter:
His mother talked about how she’s tried to cope these past few months.
ER:
It’s what makes me get up in the morning. It’s all about Hope for Dylan and hope for finding him soon or safe. He wants to be at home. It’s time to bring him home.
Dr. Phil:
Well Dylan disappeared Nov 19 2012 from his father house in Vallecito, Colorado. He had been there less than 24 hours when he vanished without a trace. Here is what his father says.
Clip of Rally - Chanting in Front of MR’s Home:
Bring DylanHome. Bring DylanHome
MR:
Here’s what happened when Dylan went missing. He flew in from Colorado Springs. We picked him up at the airport. We stopped at Wal-Mart to grab a few things. I wanted to go to a restaurant and he wanted to go to McDonalds. We went to the drive through, ate it in the vehicle on our way up to the house. Dylan was communicating to his friends about going to see them. Dylan didn’t really sleep in his bed. He always slept right here on the couch. The next morning I left to go run my errands. He acknowledged that he understood what I was saying. It was close to 7:30. It was the last time I saw my son.
When I got home, the TV was on and it was on one of the Nickelodeon channels that he’s always watching. I didn’t notice his backpack not being there.
There was a fishing pole at the house and it was Dylan’s fishing pole. That fishing pole was never found. I did lay down and take a nap for probably no more than an hour
I started looking for him at 2:30 or 3:00 in the afternoon. I contacted his friend that he had been texting the night before. They hadn’t heard from him all day, so that’s truly when it started to set in. Where’s Dylan?
I immediately went to the law enforcement people. While I was at the Marshall’s Office, I contacted Elaine and asked her specifically had she heard from him. That’s where the finger started getting pointed at me -- right then and there -- like I had some involvement.
The next thing you know I’m getting a call from my divorce attorney who had been contacted by her attorney. Quite frankly, I find that just a little odd…that the first person you contact is your divorce attorney. This is before we even truly knew that Dylan was missing. The Sheriff’s Office people showed up here. They were canvassing the area and checking out a few places he could possibly be. They took sweat pants, a Samsung cell phone, my iPod. People want to say that I’m behind it. I absolutely had nothing to do with Dylan’s disappearance.
Dr. Phil:
Well, Dylan’s mother, Elaine, says nothing her ex husband, Mark, says adds up, and his explanations seem suspicious.
ER:
When I found out Dylan was missing, my first gut reaction was: Mark!
Dylan texted me the night that he arrived where his dad lives, and that was the last time I’ve heard from him…7:06 p.m. He didn’t like spending time up at his dad’s cabin because it was so isolated. Monday the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Mark texted me and asked me if I had heard from Dylan.
It was very disconcerting that I was six hours away and he’s asking me that question. Apparently, when he got home at 11:30 and Dylan wasn’t there, he decided to take a nap.
Mark’s facts are grossly incorrect about everything. I never spoke with a lawyer.
I do believe Mark has something to do with Dylan’s disappearance. I do believe he knows more. He’s done everything other than look for Dylan, and that’s what makes me suspicious. I have more concern over my lost dog than he has over his lost child. He wanted control over all of us.
The story that he’s providing is not consistent with who Dylan is. Dylan absolutely did not run away. He had nothing to run away from. Dylan was a texter. It doesn’t make sense that he stopped texting that night. If Dylan was just going out to see his friends that day, he wouldn’t have taken all of his belongings. None of his belongings have been found.
Mark talks about his backpack and his fishing pole. Dylan is not a big fisherperson. He didn’t even know how to thread his own line. Dylan was not watching Nickelodeon. Dylan watched MTV. He doesn’t know his kid well enough to make up a good lie. I believe Mark was the last person to see Dylan. Hopefully, Mark will buck up… I mean for the first time, be a Father. Your son needs you! (sobs) You know… help him… Stop acting like you’re so innocent and have nothing to do with this. I want to believe that he’s still alive. I do…
Dr. Phil:
What is your greatest fear right now?
ER:
That he’s not alive…
Dr. Phil:
Have you let your mind go there?
ER:
Well… I mean it’s…you know it’s something I have to come to terms with. There’s that possibility. I choose HOPE for Dylan.... but at the same time, you know, it’s been three months.
Dr. Phil:
And you believe that your ex husband may have done him harm?
ER:
I hope not, but yes, I do believe that that is a possibility.
Dr. Phil:
And you understand… that I approach this with a completely open mind. I’m not here… to accuse your ex husband of anything. I’ve not met him. I have one goal for doing this show -- to raise awareness about this the entire show to hope somebody, somewhere will pick up the phone and call law enforcement that leads us to finding this young man safe and healthy and happy.
ER:
That’s my hope, too.
Dr. Phil:
And I don’t know who’s involved in this, but I’m not a hatchet man for your ex husband to get him. You just need to know that. I’m here for one reason and that’s to find that little boy. Okay?
ER:
Absolutely.
Dr. Phil:
Just so you know … so I’m not a hit man for your husband –
ER:
nervous giggle
Dr. Phil:
…to accuse him of something,
ER:
That’s not my intention. My intention is to try and get answers from Mark.
Dr. Phil:
Okay…and I’m gonna’ help you do that. I’ve got to tell you, if my son was missing, no matter how much I hated -- despised my ex, I would have a conversation with that person. I would talk to them, and you two haven’t talked since …what…2009?
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
He goes missing and y’all trade text messages? What’s up with that?
ER:
Well, that’s how he let me know that Dylan was missing.
Dr. Phil:
And what did you do when you got that text?
ER:
I tried to call him directly thereafter, and then, I texted him back.
Dr. Phil:
And you didn’t talk on the phone?
ER:
No. He is not… he’s been very evasive. He spoke with our older son right after it happened.
Dr. Phil:
Did you stay after him until you talked to him?
ER:
No, I didn’t… I mean I texted him, but I didn’t continuously call him, and then after texting he blocked me from his phone so I can’t even text him any more.
Dr. Phil:
So your son has been missing for three months
ER:
Yes
Dr. Phil:
and his mother and father have not talked?
ER:
Right, and I’ve asked him on…
Dr. Phil:
That is beyond bizarre to me, I’m sorry…That is just…. I don’t care if you two had beat each other to a pulp …
ER:
I agree
Dr. Phil:
...called each other everything but decent… it wouldn’t matter to me if my son was missing, all bets are off …all peccadilloes are gone. I can’t imagine the two of you wouldn’t talk.
ER:
That’s why I’m here, Dr. Phil. I need a forum to be able to speak to him. I’ve asked on many occasions to meet with him, with a mediator, without a mediator. I don’t think we need a mediator, because I have no issues with my ex-husband. I just
want to find my son!
Dr. Phil:
So he went to visit… this was a scheduled visitation…
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
…with his father, and he’s going to be there for Thanksgiving?
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
He arrives, and you said he was not happy about being there
because it was so isolated.
ER:
And his dad didn’t really do stuff with him, so they just….
Dr. Phil:
Well you didn’t say that. You said that you got a message from him that says, I have arrived and he gave you an unhappy face…
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
and you said because it was so isolated -- you didn’t say because he didn’t like his dad, because he didn’t do anything with him, you said because it was so isolated out there.
ER:
It was isolated, yes, and there was not a lot for Dylan to do.
Dr. Phil:
Your son, like a lot of 14-year-olds, was a real techy type, right?
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
I mean they live on these smart phones, and they text a lot.
ER:
He did text… all the time.
Dr. Phil:
Right, and at 9:30 that night, all texting stopped?
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
Is that unusual?
ER:
Absolutely! Especially when he’s up there!
Dr. Phil:
‘Cos he’s a text animal. He…
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
That was his lifeline to the world. He…
ER:
Exactly.
Dr. Phil:
He was texting. So right up ‘till 9:30 he’s texting and then just zip… zero… So he could have gone to sleep, right?
ER:
9:30 seems a little early for Dylan, but…ummm
Dr. Phil:
Okay, what time would he usually go to sleep?
ER:
Probably about 11, midnight, somewhere around there
Dr. Phil:
So 9:30 would be early.
ER:
9:30 would be early, and it’s definitely early for him to stop texting, especially when he was so excited to see his friends.
Dr. Phil:
His friends on that end?
ER:
Yes, his friends in the southwest.
Dr. Phil:
And was he texting them up until 9:30?
ER:
I believe the last text was about 9:30… somewhere around there.
Dr. Phil:
To those friends?
ER:
Yes.
Dr. Phil:
Okay, so he was in connection with them until 9:30. Not another text was ever sent from his phone?
ER:
Right.
Dr. Phil:
Well we now have reports that he was asleep the next morning when Mark left but then when he came back he was gone. So Up and left but no texts.
ER:
Right.
Dr. Phil:
Well, Dylan’s father, Mark, has been watching backstage. We’re going to meet him next. As you just heard, he hasn’t seen or spoken to E in three years. Well, that’s all about to change, next, which is 3 months late in my opinion. One agenda. Finding this boy. We’ll be right back.
Coming Up:
ER:
To Mark, everything is a game and Mark is not good at losing.
MR:
I’m not here to point fingers at anybody. The focus that I have is to keep the attention on finding Dylan.
Later:
Dr. Phil:
Do you honestly believe that from 6 hours away that she put him on an airplane and flew him to you and then somehow or another trail behind and abducted him?
Return to Show:
MR Clip:
Elaine and I are very bitter towards each other.
ER:
It’s been a horrible divorce. To Mark, everything is a game, and you either win or lose, and Mark is not good at losing. He never takes blame for any of this. I mean… Dylan was on his watch and now Dylan’s gone and not once has he ever taken any of the blame. He acts like, Oh, well… I lost him.
MR:
My mail carrier saw Dylan the afternoon he went missing.
Angie - Mail Carrier:
On the day Dylan went missing, I saw 2 boys walking down the road not too far from where Dylan lives. It was around 1:30 in the afternoon. When I saw the boys, I thought to myself, Hey, there’s Mark’s son, Dylan. The next day I talked to Mark, and he said Dylan hadn’t come home all night, and he was really worried about him. I really don’t think Mark was the last person to see Dylan that day.
MR:
I’m not here to point fingers at anybody. The focus that I have is to keep the attention on finding Dylan.
Dr. Phil:
Mark and Elaine are divorced parents who are really accusing each other of being involved in the disappearance of their 14-year-old son, Dylan Redwine. His story made national news after he vanished after a trace just three months ago. Now Mark says that as much as she thinks he had something to do with Dylan’s disappearance, he is equally suspicious of her.
MR:
I believe that his mom could have something to do with this. Elaine is over the last 6 or 8 months been alienating me from Dylan. She was very quick from the beginning to start pointing fingers at me. She can be very volatile and angry. When she gets upset and she loses her temper it’s not unlike her to start swinging. I certainly can’t help but think it’s a possibility that she would be keeping him from me.
Dr. Phil:
Mark, you know this lady.
MR:
Well, I used to know this woman.
Dr. Phil:
You two were married for how long?
MR:
Uh… Approximately 18 years where I think we were together.
Dr. Phil:
18 years.
MR:
Yes, sir.
Dr. Phil:
And you had 2 sons together
MR:
That’s correct.
Dr. Phil:
Cory and Dylan.
MR:
That’s correct
Dr. Phil:
You’ve been listening backstage. Do you have any comments or questions about anything that’s been said so far.
MR:
Well, the first thing that comes to mind is Mrs. Redwine here said that immediately after I had texted her that she had tried to contact me on the phone which is NOT true. She has never picked up the phone to try to call me on the phone at any point.
Dr. Phil:
Is that true or false?
ER:
That’s false. But…. It’s par. Because you always… always…. lie. You … I don’t even think you know the truth about anything.
MR:
And… and…and the point is that you know the truth?
ER:
I know that I don’t have Dylan. Where is Dylan?
MR:
I don’t have Dylan, Elaine.
ER:
You know where Dylan is, Mark! You were the last one to see him! You were the last one to have any contact with him! It was on your watch! Where is the responsibility? When do you sit back and say, I lost Dylan!
MR:
I didn’t lose, Dylan, Elaine.
ER:
Then why is he gone?
MR:
Well, you know, that’s a question we all have to ask…but nobody’s got the answers…
ER:
No!!! YOU have to ask that question! You had him! Where is he? He’s not here! No one can find him. You were the last one to see him and now he’s just gone. That doesn’t happen.
MR:
Dr. Phil, that… for her to sit her and say that I’m the last person to see him is not accurate. The postal worker that delivers my mail to me had saw him….
ER:
That’s never been confirmed.
MR:
By you?
Dr. Phil:
Let me weigh in here. I’ve been doing this for a long time and you’ve heard me say, I’ve got one agenda here and that’s to try to find this young boy. I have no preconceived judgments here at all.
(Looks at Mark) I don’t know you. I don’t know whether you had anything to do with this or not. I certainly don’t assume that you did, but I also don’t assume that you did not.
(Looks at Elaine) I don’t know that you did, I don’t assume that you did not.
I just don’t jump to those conclusions. But I’ll tell you what I do… is …I make informed decisions based on skilled observations. I’ve been doing this for 35 years. I was trained as a forensic psychologist -- that’s psychology and the law.
MR:
Okay…
Dr. Phil:
And having worked as an officer of the court … in situations just such as these, and I am accustomed to what is typical conduct and what is not. I gather information based on that, and I’m curious …whether (looks at Mark) you’re interested in …fighting with her …and, and blaming her or if your interested in finding your son, because since you’ve been out here you haven’t said one
word about your son? Are you interested in finding your son?
MR:
Very much so, which is the whole point of me being here is because this show was dedicated to the Finding Dylan…
Dr. Phil:
and we’ve got his picture
MR:
website…
Dr. Phil:
up all over the place.
MR:
I understand that.
Dr. Phil:
We’ve got numbers in the bottom third of the screen right now where to call. I want to find YOUR boy! How do you feel about him being gone?
MR:
I wanna’ find my son.
Dr. Phil:
How do you feel about him being gone?
MR:
It hurts me… deeply. I mean… I… it tears me up. Dylan is everything to me. My whole world revolves around Dylan, and for him to be missing, I’m lost in this world. I… I… It’s all I can do to get through the day. The only thing that gives me the strength to get through every day is my communicating with him and telling him that today is the day we’re bringing you home.
ER:
Then bring him home.
Dr. Phil:
What do you think happened to your son.
COMING UP
Dr. Phil:
Do you honestly believe that she abducted him from your couch?
MR:
I believe that it’s possible. Yes.
And Later:
ER:
I really don’t trust you, and I really have a concern that you hurt him and his bones are out there just laying… and you don’t even care. You don’t! Where’s your emotion?
The Search for Dylan (Headline)
Dr. Phil:
What do you think happened to your son?
MR:
Well…
Dr. Phil:
What do you believe happened?
MR:
There’s not a lot of possibilities here, in my opinion. I think…either he was… he was taken by somebody that knew who he was goin’ with or he was abducted as he was walking down the street trying to make it to his friend, T’s, house. I personally have a lot of suspicions that Elaine could be involved in this, but I don’t have anything to back that up, and I don’t have anything to support that.
Dr. Phil:
Do you
honestly believe …that from 6 hours away… that she put him on an airplane and flew him to
you, and then somehow or another trailed behind… and … abducted him …from your couch? Is that your theory?
MR:
Well, I don’t believe that she did it alone. I believe that it’s possible that she had help to do that.
Dr. Phil:
Okay, so you actually think that she and a
team …trailed behind him… and do you think she would have taken him against his will…or do you think he cooperated in this?
MR:
Well…. Those are…
Dr. Phil:
I just want to know.
MR:
Those are questions …that I can’t answer, because I don’t know…I don’t know what happened here…
Dr. Phil:
But what is your theory? You say you think she may be involved.
MR:
I suspect that she may be involved. I believe that there are people in the community that we lived in for many years that she knows very well that are very likely to… maybe help her in this.
Dr. Phil:
So these are criminal types.
MR:
Well…she’s not been known to hang around the professional people that… in the industry that she works in
Dr. Phil:
Well that’s what I’m asking…
MR:
…so she very much …hangs around the criminal types. Yes.
Dr. Phil:
Okay, so you think she may have some criminal types that helped her abduct him against his will? I just want to know your theory.
MR:
Well… I don’t know the people that she knows very closely. It doesn’t matter what I think, because I have no way of being able to prove it, and it’s only speculative that I even feel that way.
Dr. Phil:
But do you really, honestly believe that, or is that just something you’re saying? I mean do you… honestly, in your heart of hearts believe that this woman is involved in the disappearance of your son?
MR:
I believe that it’s
possible. Yes.
Dr. Phil:
‘Cos what you said is you think that he was abducted from the road walking to his friend’s house.
MR:
In addition to the fact that I believe that there is a possibility that his mother has some involvement in it.
Dr. Phil:
You were married before…
MR:
That’s correct
Dr. Phil:
To a woman named Betsy…
MR:
That’s correct
Dr. Phil:
And when you were married to her you had two sons, Brandon and Mark Allen.
MR:
That’s correct.
Dr. Phil:
And at that time you kept those children in May of 1990 in violation of a custody order, and she filed a police report because you kept them for the better part of a day. Do you recall that?
MR:
Well, I recall it. I don’t recall it being the better part of a day.
Dr. Phil:
And my question to you is do you think because of that, they…that might cause them to question
you…
MR:
Well…
Dr. Phil:
Because there’s a history of that.
MR:
Well…. and….certainly…I…. I… I think that that’s the case…but if …
Dr. Phil:
Here’s a copy of the actual incident report. We actually have it. Umm… where she filled out the report…
MR:
If this particular situation we are referring to has anything to do with a time that we were camping and we got hung up getting out of our … where we were camping, I think near Buena Vista…
Dr. Phil:
Did you or did you not take your sons Cory and Dylan without telling their mother on two occasions, once in 2003 and once in 2006, and if so, do you think that contributes to the police saying, well here’s once, twice three times that you’ve taken the children without her knowing it that that might cause them to think not that you might have harmed your son but that maybe you’ve spirited him away somewhere. Do you think that might cause them to be suspicious?
MR:
Well…absolutely….I mean… I can see where that might raise suspicions.
Dr. Phil:
Mmm Hmm.
Coming Up
ER:
I know you. I was married to you for a long time. I know the truth. That’s why you won’t speak with me. That’s why you can’t look me in the eyes. I know you know where Dylan is. You need to bring him home.
Return from Break
The Search for Dylan
Dr. Phil:
This is a portion of the official statement from the L-Plate County Sheriff's Department.
“The investigator for locating Dylan Redwine is still open, ongoing and active. We’ve even had invest from out of state this week following up on tips. W e have not identified anyone as a person of interest or as a suspect during the entire investigation.”
Neither Dylan’s father, Mark Redwine or mother Elaine Redwine are considered suspects by the Sheriff’s Department.
Dr. Phil:
Did you or did you not take your sons Cory and Dylan without telling their mother on two occasions, once in 2003 and once in 2006? Umm…and, if so, do you think that contributes to the police saying, well here’s once, twice, three times that you’ve taken the children without her knowing it that that might cause them to think not that you’ve harmed your son but that maybe you’ve spirited him away somewhere. Do you think that might cause them to be suspicious?
MR:
Well…absolutely… I mean… I can see where that might raise suspicions.
I would like to say I know that somewhere in the fall of 2005 that umm…there was a situation that ( ?? ) the whole divorce process and I was concerned about the alcohol abuse that was going on at the time and I pretty much gave her an ultimatum at that particular time that she either had to enroll or get involved in some kind of alcohol program or that I was… we were getting divorced and I was taking the kids, and I took the kids one night and went to a friend of mine’s house until I could communicate to my attorney the following day, and I believe it was on that same day that I filed an emergency motion with the courts to be able to have her removed from the house until we could get to a court hearing, and… and figure out where to go from there.
Dr. Phil:
Well, you were concerned because of her alcohol use?
MR:
Absolutely.
Dr. Phil:
And you told us about that.
MR:
Yeah…
Dr. Phil:
Your wife, Betsy, said there was a history of physical abuse on your part in your … in your prior marriage. Is that true?
MR:
I never raised my hand to her and I never hit her with an open hand or a fist. Umm, you know… there were times when we got into pushing matches, and I recall a time that… she was standing in the door and wouldn’t let me leave through the door, and I physically removed her and threw her on the bed, so… these are all things that can be construed as being domestic violence.
Dr. Phil:
So do you suppose the police have they said there’s one, two, three instances of the children being in your control when the mothers didn’t know about it and the history of domestic violence… that they might say… you know, this guy might be a little volatile, so… we might … should take a good hard look at him.
MR:
And I have no problem with that.
Dr. Phil:
Yeah…
MR:
I…
Dr. Phil:
She says when she was packing up Dylan in 2007 that you put a dead rat in her trunk. Did you do that?
MR:
No, I did not.
Dr. Phil:
Did he do that?
ER:
Yes, you did!
MR:
I did…?
ER:
A dead rodent.
MR:
You gotta’ be kidding…?
Dr. Phil:
A dead rodent in the trunk?
ER:
A dead rodent. Mark… Tell the truth!
Dr. Phil:
She said it was really kind of psychotic behavior so she thought it was odd and reported that to the police.
MR:
I did not put a dead rodent or any… anything dead in her vehicle.
ER:
It’s so typical of what you would do though. It’s very typical. When you’re mad at somebody, your main focus is to get even or get back with them and
hurt them. That’s how your mind works!
MR:
Really?
ER:
Yes, Really.
MR:
So because you said it makes it true?
ER:
No, that’s how
you feel. Because you say things …you expect people to believe you. I know you. I was married to you for a long time. I know… I know
MR:
So who are you trying to convince here, you or me?
ER:
No, I ‘m not trying to convince
me… ‘cos I
know. I know the truth. I don’t have to hide from anything. That’s why you won’t speak with me. That’s why you can’t look me in the eyes, because you have difficulty answering the tough questions. I know you know where Dylan is. You need to bring him home. And please, I hope you didn’t hurt him. I hope you did not hurt him… because I really don’t’ trust you and I really have a concern that you hurt him, and his bones are out there just laying, and
you don’t even care. You don’t. Where’s your emotion? Where… where’s any of your feelings… again?
MR:
What emotion is it that you’re trying to get out of me?
ER:
I want you to
do something to find
Dylan!!!!
COMING UP:
Dr. Phil:
Do you get back at 11:30 and he’s gone?
MR:
Right.
Dr. Phil:
And you just lay down and take a nap?
