Evidence connecting JR, CWW and/or MS to one another. How/when do their paths cross?

[creepingskills]

Interesting points for sure. A father figure-- CWW gets JR to drive to Florida. It could be that that JR did not know what was going down.

Why does CWW need transporation? I don't mean for driving to Florida which is a long way. But in general?

I don't think CWW has a valid driver's license. Court records show he's been in trouble numerous times for driving with a suspended license, without a license, without registration. Not sure what his current license status is, but I'm going to bet it is 'revoked'.

 

[flgrl017]

Cww needed someone to drive with him since it was such a long trip with no stops (one sleep while one drives). I think they were careless because they didn't expect to get caught.

 

[creepingskills]

Cww needed someone to drive with him since it was such a long trip with no stops (one sleep while one drives). I think they were careless because they didn't expect to get caught.

16 hour trip, give or take. IMO, possible to drive straight through. After all, has been said by Skinner that CWW did this drive all the time, it was nothing to him.

 

[Lilibet]

Great work creepingskills!!! :loveyou:

I agree with every word you wrote. JR has just not fit the very personal nature of the murder to me, unless CWW was holding a gun on him.
JMO

 

[Bobbywoo]

16 hour trip, give or take. IMO, possible to drive straight through. After all, has been said by Skinner that CWW did this drive all the time, it was nothing to him.

Why would CWW need for JR to drive on this trip but not on the other trips down to FL? I had assumed he didn't have a valid license. Had he drove here by himself in the past or did someone always come with him?

 

[creepingskills]

Why would CWW need for JR to drive on this trip but not on the other trips down to FL? I had assumed he didn't have a valid license. Had he drove here by himself in the past or did someone always come with him?

I'm guessing because there was a specific time window for this trip (CWW needed to be in FL when TS was there/MS in CT), the risk of being pulled over and subsequently arrested for driving without a license, would've been an worry of CWW. Perhaps it wasn't as much of a worry on the other trips. The plan would've been unraveled from the moment the car was stopped with an unlicensed driver.

 

[human]

I'm guessing because there was a specific time window for this trip (CWW needed to be in FL when TS was there/MS in CT), the risk of being pulled over and subsequently arrested for driving without a license, would've been an worry of CWW. Perhaps it wasn't as much of a worry on the other trips. The plan would've been unraveled from the moment the car was stopped with an unlicensed driver.

In MO everyone knows him so he cannot drive. If he drives carefully on the highway, probably not much risk. But isn't flying just about as cheap when you factor gas, motel and food on the road?

 

[Bobbywoo]

I'm guessing because there was a specific time window for this trip (CWW needed to be in FL when TS was there/MS in CT), the risk of being pulled over and subsequently arrested for driving without a license, would've been an worry of CWW. Perhaps it wasn't as much of a worry on the other trips. The plan would've been unraveled from the moment the car was stopped with an unlicensed driver.

And one on probation. ...wouldn't JR have gone to jail if stopped out of state? Then I think the car would have been towed unless CWW could come up with a licensed driver to come get it? Then again, if it was a rental in anyone elses name besides CWW he may not have cared?

 

[Bobbywoo]

In MO everyone knows him so he cannot drive. If he drives carefully on the highway, probably not much risk. But isn't flying just about as cheap when you factor gas, motel and food on the road?

It would leave a record for one, and two, he wouldn't be able to sell drugs along the way if he flew (referring to his past trips) I'm just bouncing ideas around....

 

[Bobbywoo]

Come on SMS.....throw us another clue ;p

 

[creepingskills]

In MO everyone knows him so he cannot drive. If he drives carefully on the highway, probably not much risk. But isn't flying just about as cheap when you factor gas, motel and food on the road?

You can drive very carefully, but highway patrols are always paying special attn to vehicles with out of state plates, rentals. I drove to NY with my dad not too long ago, we were pulled over by NY highway patrol just before we crossed the state border (out of NY). Granted, my dad was going 5MPH over the speed limit, but I suspect that if we had NY plates, the trooper wouldn't have bothered. Flying may have been cheaper, but they probably didn't want to risk flying the jumpsuit home, or leaving a (more obvious) paper trail.

 

[creepingskills]

It would leave a record for one, and two, he wouldn't be able to sell drugs along the way if he flew (referring to his past trips) I'm just bouncing ideas around....

Or get rid of evidence along the way...

 

[Riversinthedesert]

There has been background info. posted on JR's family history and losing both parents. Does anyone know anything about CWW's parents or upbringing (gnerally speaking without sleuthing innocents)?

 

[creepingskills]

If JR and CWW spent time in Fort Myers, FL before the murder, I bet that time was spent near the Walmart and maybe driving by Jarvis. What days did they leave/arrive in FL? My guess: CWW and JR left MO on 8/26, arrived in FL late on 8/27. Slept in a motel in Ft. Myers one night, cased the house 8/28 before the murder.

 

[Chelly]

If JR and CWW spent time in Fort Myers, FL before the murder, I bet that time was spent near the Walmart and maybe driving by Jarvis. What days did they leave/arrive in FL? My guess: CWW and JR left MO on 8/26, arrived in FL late on 8/27. Slept in a motel in Ft. Myers one night, cased the house 8/28 before the murder.

If they stayed in a FM motel, it was a stupid move on their part. I think CWW would be too smart to leave a paper trail. But then, if they slept in vehicle in WM parking lot, I wonder if the vehicle might have been caught on surveillance?

 

[creepingskills]

If they stayed in a FM motel, it was a stupid move on their part. I think CWW would be too smart to leave a paper trail. But then, if they slept in vehicle in WM parking lot, I wonder if the vehicle might have been caught on surveillance?

If they were in a Walmart parking at all, it would be caught on surveillance. They could've paid cash at a motel and used a fake name. IMO, their (rental?) vehicle probably linked them to the Ft. Myers location.

 

[flgrl017]

I'd think they'd need a room so that they could shower after murdering her. It wouldn't be smart to drive back to missouri with blood all over you. They had to clean themselves up somehow.

 

[Momoffourboys]

If JR and CWW spent time in Fort Myers, FL before the murder, I bet that time was spent near the Walmart and maybe driving by Jarvis. What days did they leave/arrive in FL? My guess: CWW and JR left MO on 8/26, arrived in FL late on 8/27. Slept in a motel in Ft. Myers one night, cased the house 8/28 before the murder.

My head is spinning.
Do we know when they left MO? When they arrived in Bonita Springs?
Could they have been at the house longer than just to commit their crime?

 

[No it's not]

I'd think they'd need a room so that they could shower after murdering her. It wouldn't be smart to drive back to missouri with blood all over you. They had to clean themselves up somehow.

Holy s.....did they use the pool???? Is that the reason they/ or JR only (?) brought the jumpsuit and perhaps more clothing back to MO? Because they really did not stop or take a room?? The pool is full of chlorine, no blood would stay behind. They put on clean clothes and off they go. No light on, nobody sees them. What nerves

Just an idea. Good thinking flgrl0!

-Nin

 

[concernedmother]

They could have showered in the home after they killed TS. Other perps have done that. jmo.