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I am not sure if your have been following along since the beginning, but if you were you would understand why the shovel was significant.
IIRC, Mom was actually present and participating in the search when BC, whom she did not know/recognize at the time, came out of the woods holding the shovel that he found. IIRC he was holding it like it might have been an important discovery, but it was later determined that it had likely been left behind by a construction crew. I seem to recall that he indicated that the shovel was important, or made some other allusion that did not ring true, and only after that did Mom find out who he was.
This smacks of trying to lay a false trail, like she might have been killed with the shovel or possibly buried with it. While on the surface, this is not incriminating, the combination of statements that BC made while holding the shovel, and body language was seriously askew. I welcome Mom to correct me if I have mis-stated what she saw/heard/felt.
So, it is in NO WAY hearsay, this was a personally witnessed event related by the person who witnessed it.
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Wow! This info about the shovel is very interesting, indeed. I haven't been following very closely for awhile so I didn't know this. Yes, insinuating that she could be buried anywhere and never found... I bet Brad thought he had hit the mother lode when he found that shovel...or does anyone believe he planted it there?
The following question is OT of the shovel...and may be even OT of evidence (however, I think evidence of other undisclosed affairs would be HUGE for the prosecution):
Will the DA be allowed to subpeona the French girl that Brad seemed to have a fling with during his MBA trip? Sorry if already discussed. I just wanted to throw a tomato at my computer screen during his deposition when he said they never kissed. BULL$&^*! Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone knows how that works as far as bringing in a non-US citizen for a trial.
Wow! This info about the shovel is very interesting, indeed. I haven't been following very closely for awhile so I didn't know this. Yes, insinuating that she could be buried anywhere and never found... I bet Brad thought he had hit the mother lode when he found that shovel...or does anyone believe he planted it there?
The shovel was located in an area no where near the location NC was found.
I posted this very question way back when I disclosed the shovel, and some thought it was planted. I do know it was determined to be a construction shovel by the LE. I have absolutely no idea if it was planted or for some reason a construction worker put it in the brush. We left shortly after.
The shovel was located in an area no where near the location NC was found.
I posted this very question way back when I disclosed the shovel, and some thought it was planted. I do know it was determined to be a construction shovel by the LE. I have absolutely no idea if it was planted or for some reason a construction worker put it in the brush. We left shortly after.
what I am most interested in is just how LE knew that this was not a random case from the get go. I see how LE handled this case close to the vest and kept details out of the media. Very professional. But it was immediate that they stated this was not a random crime and the public was safe. I know we don't know much, but I totally believe they almost had this solved immediately after finding the body. I think maybe evidence on or in the vehicle that tied to the disposal place or Nancy.
...and we are not sure if these woman (and NC's family) gave LE information that was not published in affidavits, because of LE's request for silence. Such as: plans NC may have had that morning that BC does (did) not know about. If LE had several sources telling him that NC had plans to "escape", and the friends could give details, then that would be even more compelling reason to make it "not random". Just a thought since this theory has been brought up before.I think when LE first talked to JA and CC in front of Brad's house on 7/12, and then Brad came home and started telling them his story, they probably started to get thatfeeling that something wasn't quite right. Right from the word 'go' the info Brad was giving them didn't match what they learned from others. Combine that with their observations inside the house, the cars, etc. I think they saw early and obvious signs that this was not 'random,' and there was domestic discord in that marriage. Remember they noticed scratches on Brad's neck on 7/12, they noticed the car's trunk had been vacuumed, and the rest of the car was still messy. These are clues that something isn't making sense...and they go from there.
...and we are not sure if these woman (and NC's family) gave LE information that was not published in affidavits, because of LE's request for silence. Such as: plans NC may have had that morning that BC does (did) not know about. If LE had several sources telling him that NC had plans to "escape", and the friends could give details, then that would be even more compelling reason to make it "not random". Just a thought since this theory has been brought up before.
I think it is more than that. That was a bold move to tell the public that because of a few inconsistancies. I think they had evidence of a struggle or something connecting the vehicle to the dump site from the day that Nancy was found. But they waited until all the evidence came in. I guess we will find out one day.
What I was totally wrong about is that I really felt that Brad would commit Harry Carey before he went to jail. I knew when I saw the depositions that he had something to hide. What a loser to kill the mother of your small children. Why not just divorce? He cared more about his money than the welfare of his own children. That is what this whole case is going to be about. Money.
Roy - as I recall Chief Bazemore gave an explanation of why LE was saying this was not a random occurrance. If I am recalling correctly that explanation was provided in the July 14th 630 pm press conference. It is either at just after the 6 minute mark or just after the 11 minute mark in the presser video. She did not however say anything about any evidence which may have made them think so but rather spoke about what was missing to make them decide it was not random. Truth is, it was probably a comnination of the two - what was witnessed in the home, and what events were missing that would signify it as a random event. Hope after your review that her description will help you.
i think it is going to be some evidence that solidified that Charlie. That is why they ignored the witness who saw Nancy supposedly. That is my opinion at least.