GoblinKeeper
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With all due respect, I would like to re-post Aynia's original post here:
Aynia is searching for answers, and unfortunately, a war of semantics, or he said/she said will not provide them. Callahan's is an excellent reference, but it does not have all of the records, as we have seen from internal evidence in the trial transcripts there. The JCB sighting and its validity could well be moved to another thread; the issue here is whether it is concrete evidence. In my opinion, it is evidence, however, it is uncorroborated evidence, and as such, must be weighed against other evidence that is either corroborated, or more believable. This does not say that I believe it or don't. I am still out with the jury on that statement.
Let us refocus our efforts on what evidence we believe would be considered, and whether or not it would it should go into one of those three categories. It may be that we find that piece of evidence that finally jumps out and helps us to define this crime although, as Cher Lockholmes has reminded us, we may not solve it to anyone's satisfaction. However, I am always hopeful. After all, the case of Maria Ridulph was solved after 50 years! I just hope it does not take another 30 before the solution to this case is discovered and brought to light.
So, all that being said, and I apologize, I get long winded, I know... some of the evidence I consider as worthy of consideration:
the partial denture found among TWH's possessions
the autopsy photographs (the bodies would be best evidence, but are unavailable and should remain that way)
work records for MDB, TWH, RTM
medical clinic record of JMB's visit
court records for SRC's witness testimony
WMPD police logs for inspection
There is more, much more, but I would start with this as it would establish a few baselines of where people were and when. The partial denture and photographs serve for comparison as to bite marks, wounds, and other injuries. From there I would move onto other evidence such as statements, testimonies, and notes for comparison with each other to see if a coherent timeline of the event could be pieced together.
I believe this is the heart of what Aynia is searching for. Unfortunately, this case is so muddied that derailing of any thread does not take long... I beg your indulgence in considering this post as serving to get us back on track, and discuss the evidence we feel should be considered, and not its merit or lack thereof.
Thank you. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
I'm looking at this case (again ) and I'm wondering, if there was to be a new investigation, what would the actual evidence be? Is there anything concrete at all? (Except the Hobbs hair that can easily be dismissed with secondary transferring, unfortunately), what concrete evidence do we have?
I'm not counting on confessions or hearsay or something similar, because those can be easily ruled out.
IMHO there's nothing that could bring those 3 little boys justice: (
I realize that the discussion of whether or not the JCB sighting is valid is important. The passage of time may have distorted the memory, or it may be a false memory. It happens. However, one should not lose sight of the focus of this thread, which is, what would the actual evidence be in a new investigation. Not whether it has merit or is bogus, but would it be considered as evidence. All evidence must be considered, weighed in against other evidence and then answer the question: can it be corroborated? If not, it must go into a category by itself or with other uncorroborated evidence. Then there is evidence corroborated by one or two witnesses, and still more corroborated by multiple witnesses. These have their own categories, obviously. Finally, there is the question, is it concrete? Is it absolutely unshakeable? Events or items such as a work timecard with timestamps (not written), the time school let out on a certain day; this is concrete evidence. This is what we are looking for. Other evidence must be placed aside until such time as comparison can prove, disprove, or leave as "up in the air."I'm not counting on confessions or hearsay or something similar, because those can be easily ruled out.
IMHO there's nothing that could bring those 3 little boys justice: (
Aynia is searching for answers, and unfortunately, a war of semantics, or he said/she said will not provide them. Callahan's is an excellent reference, but it does not have all of the records, as we have seen from internal evidence in the trial transcripts there. The JCB sighting and its validity could well be moved to another thread; the issue here is whether it is concrete evidence. In my opinion, it is evidence, however, it is uncorroborated evidence, and as such, must be weighed against other evidence that is either corroborated, or more believable. This does not say that I believe it or don't. I am still out with the jury on that statement.
Let us refocus our efforts on what evidence we believe would be considered, and whether or not it would it should go into one of those three categories. It may be that we find that piece of evidence that finally jumps out and helps us to define this crime although, as Cher Lockholmes has reminded us, we may not solve it to anyone's satisfaction. However, I am always hopeful. After all, the case of Maria Ridulph was solved after 50 years! I just hope it does not take another 30 before the solution to this case is discovered and brought to light.
So, all that being said, and I apologize, I get long winded, I know... some of the evidence I consider as worthy of consideration:
the partial denture found among TWH's possessions
the autopsy photographs (the bodies would be best evidence, but are unavailable and should remain that way)
work records for MDB, TWH, RTM
medical clinic record of JMB's visit
court records for SRC's witness testimony
WMPD police logs for inspection
There is more, much more, but I would start with this as it would establish a few baselines of where people were and when. The partial denture and photographs serve for comparison as to bite marks, wounds, and other injuries. From there I would move onto other evidence such as statements, testimonies, and notes for comparison with each other to see if a coherent timeline of the event could be pieced together.
I believe this is the heart of what Aynia is searching for. Unfortunately, this case is so muddied that derailing of any thread does not take long... I beg your indulgence in considering this post as serving to get us back on track, and discuss the evidence we feel should be considered, and not its merit or lack thereof.
Thank you. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.