Federal Indictment: James Burke, Former Suffolk Co PD Chief, December 2015

[hawkshaw]

I must have missed something because I don't have a clue what GARY has to do with it.

 

[mysteryattic]

Does anyone think that LISK Witness "Oak Beach Inn" reference might be the "Gilgo Beach Inn"?

 

[deedee21]

Does anyone think that LISK Witness "Oak Beach Inn" reference might be the "Gilgo Beach Inn"?

Thats what I thought too. He said he continued to drive towards the Robert Mosses Causway. So he must have seen him from the south side of the pkwy. This could be the night MW body was dumped. She was seen leaving the hotel between 1:15 and 1:30.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Thats an interesting theory indeed. I assumed he meant the spot where he saw the man was where the old OBI was, but I don't know about the location. The witness seems like an older guy who probably used to go to the OBI so I figured it was a reference to the where the inn used to be. But if he means GBI, that's pretty interesting because it implies he knows the man he saw and it may be 57

 

[LindsayLohan6]

70's club wagon seems like a pretty distinct car, should be very easy for burke to have looked up all the registered owners in the area and it would likely be very few. But personally I don't believe LISKwitness's story

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Thats what I thought too. He said he continued to drive towards the Robert Mosses Causway. So he must have seen him from the south side of the pkwy. This could be the night MW body was dumped. She was seen leaving the hotel between 1:15 and 1:30.

Another interesting theory, and that's a very short time between her leaving the hotel and getting dumped, but of the guy has a van it's possible he kills them in the van and goes straight the dump site, minimal time between murder and dump. Why would he leave the ligature on (if he did) unless he's dumping immediately, he might not even bring them to his home

 

[hawkshaw]

One thing that has caught my curiosity is news reports that say at least 2 of the gals were told to leave their phones behind. Phones can be 'pinged' for an almost precise location. One doesn't have to make a call for a ping. The technology used to identify locations is a lot better than they would like you to think. A killer(s) would not want to have a cell phone with the intended victim and so they tell the gal to leave it behind.

The calls that were allegedly made to the family of one of the gals is another mystery. OK, a lot of crazy people out there that would do that, but why would you run the risk of exposing yourself? Are there tapes of any of those calls. We never get a straight answer. And why go into the busiest place in Manhattan to make the call?

 

[deedee21]

Hawk, I dont pay much attention to news reports. I dont believe anyone was told to leave their phones behind. Eventually, MW mom Lorraine said she recieved calls to her job. The caller asked her co-worker for her cell phone #. He said he was NYPD. NYPD was never on her daughters case. Only SCPD. They had her cell #. Not her work #. Lorraine did make reference to her work # being on her daughters phone. She notified the SCPD about the calls made to her job. She was told to be careful (im paraphrasing). Lorraine said she never spoke to the caller and the calls continued until the bodies were found.

 

[deedee21]

70's club wagon seems like a pretty distinct car, should be very easy for burke to have looked up all the registered owners in the area and it would likely be very few. But personally I don't believe LISKwitness's story

Im not sure of what to think about this story. I guess it could be true. Maybe Josh and Rachael will meet with him and get a sense of what happened that night.

 

[Puggle]

Sorry hawk...for my earlier rant.....I thought there may have been a connection with Gary...because of his political influence...close connection within the suffolk police force ...and the body of the girl found not too far from the castle....

It was also sini saying that the FBi would be called into look at both the gilgo case and gary's case at the press release that had me wondering if there was a connection..

But alas I ouldnt find one..

I need to learn to calm down before I post....had just been researching him...and boy oi boy does this guy weild alot of power...and it stinks...I was a tad frustrated....

 

[hawkshaw]

Sorry hawk...for my earlier rant.....I thought there may have been a connection with Gary...because of his political influence...close connection within the suffolk police force ...and the body of the girl found not too far from the castle....

It was also sini saying that the FBi would be called into look at both the gilgo case and gary's case at the press release that had me wondering if there was a connection..

But alas I ouldnt find one..

I need to learn to calm down before I post....had just been researching him...and boy oi boy does this guy weild alot of power...and it stinks...I was a tad frustrated....

I actually thought it was a pretty good post. You realize sex parties can happen on the North Shore of LI as they are in the South Shore where Oak Beach is. That some of the same people frequent both areas.

Gary is really a bum. IMO, the only 'power' he has is he handles the money and has the secrets of the politicians and officials. As soon as he becomes too big of a liability he will be dropped like a hot potato. Somebody did try to kill him, didn't they?

 

[Puggle]

I actually thought it was a pretty good post. You realize sex parties can happen on the North Shore of LI as they are in the South Shore where Oak Beach is. That some of the same people frequent both areas.

Gary is really a bum. IMO, the only 'power' he has is he handles the money and has the secrets of the politicians and officials. As soon as he becomes too big of a liability he will be dropped like a hot potato. Somebody did try to kill him, didn't they?

Alot stinks there...

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Found this comment on LISK.com blog

REPLY

TAL
Feb 04, 2016 @ 18:27:24
I want this to be known publicly… and outside my circle of people and the SCPD.

I am a local semi-professional musician from Long Island and I consider this place as disgusting, corrupt and in the shadow of a great place to live… my home.

The Ocean parkway has served and still does as my reference point for my mixed pieces of music. My music is moody, dark and atmospheric and in a VERY congested place that parkway and area of the Island at night ALWAYS has served as desolate place to reflect especially listening back to mixes and seeing if its hits the right way without being effect by strip malls, traffic lights and zombies on all major parkways.

If there are any other mixing engineers or musicians who create on a professional level, you will 100% understand what I mean when I talk about referencing mixes and making sure you got it right.

In June of 2010 (look at that date) and was doing my usual ride… it was usually between midnight and 3am. I live in East Meadow so I take the Wantagh out and hit the loop – ocean route. I can get out there quick at that hour but usually go about 50mph to let the music sink in and relax.

At this time in my life I was single (23 years old) and was working heavily on my first major record. The mix references drives on this record cycle went on for the better half of 2010 but this was the only time I saw anything out there that was really suspicious at night.

I will describe it in great detail again, luckily I was blessed with photographic memory so I can recall instantly and in depth. So much so that I wrote it in poetic terms in depth description // this is what I gave the SCPD in 2012 as well // Specifically JAMES BURKE // Here you go:

“2AM and pitch dark, a 70s Club Wagon with safety-flares on desolate roadway. Heavily clothed for summer time, a scarf covering your face, I slow down to see if you need help. No one was around only the sounds of the waves crashing in the distance, your van hazards flashing away and a sound monitoring system on the ground nearby. As I fully stop you vanish out of site as if to hide from my oncoming vehicle. Stopped for only a few seconds, I sense an eerie vibe and continue my way onto the Robert Moses causeway. Years later and I still feel as if I almost caught you dumping their bodies along this parkway. My mix reference drives have never been the same, maybe one day I will catch you again by the Oak Beach Inn.”

You need to understand that I thought NOTHING of this in JUNE 2010… Besides the news blurt of Shannon disappearing I just knew this area to be where rich LI’ers and boat community retirees had summer houses. When the initial discovery was made and bodies were made I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it and still thought nothing of it as if it were nothing. Where it all hit me that I had to do something was the flashback… In 2012 I had a child and when browsing for a baby monitor in the store I SAW THE MONITOR THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR IN FRONT OF THE VECHILE THAT NIGHT. A more industrial styled one but think of why it would be on the floor by their car on the side of the road… They were in the marsh with the receiver where they could anything coming from a far with monitor system by the roadway to alert them. It was almost a pro-styled one and maybe even one police or military could only acquire but it struck and extreme resemblance to the high-end industrial style looking one when we were shopping.

At this point I realized I needed to come forward and at least share my little piece of something I saw before any discoveries were made. So I called a defunct hotline number for the case because at that point it was kind of forgotten about and a week later I got a call. It was JAMES BURKE, I had again NO CLUE who this man was. He stated who he was and that he DID NOT WANT ME TO COME DOWN TO THE STATION BUT WANTED ME TO MEET HIM ON SITE OF THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE I SAW THE CAR THOSE SOME TWO YEARS PRIOR. I thought this was kind of odd to get my initial statement… no? Or at least come to my house and then we drive or more investigators. Burke came ALONE, yes alone… which from my experience was also rare in police investigations or questions that I have personally encountered.

I do need to stress that I look counter culture… somewhere between a metal head crossed with a hippie… I am naturally eccentric and you will see why I am mentioning this.

So I give him in depth info, the description even show him the poem I printed out and we go in depth… and I am as honest as I can be. He asked me what I was doing out that hour and why, people in music and professionally will understand what I me by mix referencing and this to him was a ‘what the ****’. Anyway, he seems to just be jotting things down on paper no tape recording device or anything.

The point where it seemed very odd in my discussion him was right here though… I mentioned I am a marijuana smoker and although I wasn’t doing it in the car it wasn’t uncommon for me to be working in the studio for a couple of hours prior when I hit something and decide to go reference. I would usually be smoking those hours prior… I am not a drug user, marijuana is a sacred plant. Aside from that and a bunch of psychedelic exploring in my late teens early 20s it all ends there. He went off with that!

“Are you see you weren’t seeing things? How do you know what you really saw? You were under the influence of marijuana?” As if it was some Devil’s Harvest 50’s anti- weed propaganda film talking. It was bizarre but after seeing the recent events of him and reading all his corruption seemed as his out to discredit anything from me.

I kind of laughed in his face and he asked me a few more questions but like stand offish and completely changed his act… yes he was acting from the start.

Did the usual line “Well be in touch if we here anything or leads, thanks for meeting with me Mr. _____”

I WAS NEVER HEARD FROM AGAIN AND I ASSURE HE NEVER SUBMITTED ANYTHING I SAID INTO EVIDENCE OR CASE FILES AND THAT MY MEETING WAS PROBABLY NEVER RECORDED.

Honestly feel like this whole thing is something out of the show ‘True Detective’ actually even more bizarre the more I read in depth outside of news sources.
VICE just did the most comprehensive and collective piece that ****s with your head to and made me go ‘man wtf are you doing? think of what you might be able to help solve?”

I know realize after a lot of studying that I should probably go to the FBI at this point for my protection with the people involved and maybe contact John Ray.

October 2015 was the last time anyone posted here but hopefully I get a response somewhat soon.

You can email me at unique email I made just for all this…

LISKwitness@gmail.com

Godspeed

LL6 notes: heavily clothes to avoid ticks/ivy/bramble? Could be a BS story of course but reminds me of the reddit user who posted they saw a guy dumping body bags off a footpath along OP. Everyone laughed that the story had no credence but I think it could be real.

And once again, the common thread of the use of thechnology plays a part. This witness saw a baby monitor in/around the alleged perps vehicle.

 

[hawkshaw]

Some folks have commented that some of the gals didn't have a cell-phone to bring to a location. It is not about who had a cell phone or didn't, it is about if anyone told any of the gals NOT to bring a cell phone if they had one. My 10 year old granddaughter has one.

 

[Puggle]

Found this comment on LISK.com blog

REPLY

TAL
Feb 04, 2016 @ 18:27:24
I want this to be known publicly… and outside my circle of people and the SCPD.

I am a local semi-professional musician from Long Island and I consider this place as disgusting, corrupt and in the shadow of a great place to live… my home.

The Ocean parkway has served and still does as my reference point for my mixed pieces of music. My music is moody, dark and atmospheric and in a VERY congested place that parkway and area of the Island at night ALWAYS has served as desolate place to reflect especially listening back to mixes and seeing if its hits the right way without being effect by strip malls, traffic lights and zombies on all major parkways.

If there are any other mixing engineers or musicians who create on a professional level, you will 100% understand what I mean when I talk about referencing mixes and making sure you got it right.

In June of 2010 (look at that date) and was doing my usual ride… it was usually between midnight and 3am. I live in East Meadow so I take the Wantagh out and hit the loop – ocean route. I can get out there quick at that hour but usually go about 50mph to let the music sink in and relax.

At this time in my life I was single (23 years old) and was working heavily on my first major record. The mix references drives on this record cycle went on for the better half of 2010 but this was the only time I saw anything out there that was really suspicious at night.

I will describe it in great detail again, luckily I was blessed with photographic memory so I can recall instantly and in depth. So much so that I wrote it in poetic terms in depth description // this is what I gave the SCPD in 2012 as well // Specifically JAMES BURKE // Here you go:

“2AM and pitch dark, a 70s Club Wagon with safety-flares on desolate roadway. Heavily clothed for summer time, a scarf covering your face, I slow down to see if you need help. No one was around only the sounds of the waves crashing in the distance, your van hazards flashing away and a sound monitoring system on the ground nearby. As I fully stop you vanish out of site as if to hide from my oncoming vehicle. Stopped for only a few seconds, I sense an eerie vibe and continue my way onto the Robert Moses causeway. Years later and I still feel as if I almost caught you dumping their bodies along this parkway. My mix reference drives have never been the same, maybe one day I will catch you again by the Oak Beach Inn.”

You need to understand that I thought NOTHING of this in JUNE 2010… Besides the news blurt of Shannon disappearing I just knew this area to be where rich LI’ers and boat community retirees had summer houses. When the initial discovery was made and bodies were made I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it and still thought nothing of it as if it were nothing. Where it all hit me that I had to do something was the flashback… In 2012 I had a child and when browsing for a baby monitor in the store I SAW THE MONITOR THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR IN FRONT OF THE VECHILE THAT NIGHT. A more industrial styled one but think of why it would be on the floor by their car on the side of the road… They were in the marsh with the receiver where they could anything coming from a far with monitor system by the roadway to alert them. It was almost a pro-styled one and maybe even one police or military could only acquire but it struck and extreme resemblance to the high-end industrial style looking one when we were shopping.

At this point I realized I needed to come forward and at least share my little piece of something I saw before any discoveries were made. So I called a defunct hotline number for the case because at that point it was kind of forgotten about and a week later I got a call. It was JAMES BURKE, I had again NO CLUE who this man was. He stated who he was and that he DID NOT WANT ME TO COME DOWN TO THE STATION BUT WANTED ME TO MEET HIM ON SITE OF THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE I SAW THE CAR THOSE SOME TWO YEARS PRIOR. I thought this was kind of odd to get my initial statement… no? Or at least come to my house and then we drive or more investigators. Burke came ALONE, yes alone… which from my experience was also rare in police investigations or questions that I have personally encountered.

I do need to stress that I look counter culture… somewhere between a metal head crossed with a hippie… I am naturally eccentric and you will see why I am mentioning this.

So I give him in depth info, the description even show him the poem I printed out and we go in depth… and I am as honest as I can be. He asked me what I was doing out that hour and why, people in music and professionally will understand what I me by mix referencing and this to him was a ‘what the ****’. Anyway, he seems to just be jotting things down on paper no tape recording device or anything.

The point where it seemed very odd in my discussion him was right here though… I mentioned I am a marijuana smoker and although I wasn’t doing it in the car it wasn’t uncommon for me to be working in the studio for a couple of hours prior when I hit something and decide to go reference. I would usually be smoking those hours prior… I am not a drug user, marijuana is a sacred plant. Aside from that and a bunch of psychedelic exploring in my late teens early 20s it all ends there. He went off with that!

“Are you see you weren’t seeing things? How do you know what you really saw? You were under the influence of marijuana?” As if it was some Devil’s Harvest 50’s anti- weed propaganda film talking. It was bizarre but after seeing the recent events of him and reading all his corruption seemed as his out to discredit anything from me.

I kind of laughed in his face and he asked me a few more questions but like stand offish and completely changed his act… yes he was acting from the start.

Did the usual line “Well be in touch if we here anything or leads, thanks for meeting with me Mr. _____”

I WAS NEVER HEARD FROM AGAIN AND I ASSURE HE NEVER SUBMITTED ANYTHING I SAID INTO EVIDENCE OR CASE FILES AND THAT MY MEETING WAS PROBABLY NEVER RECORDED.

Honestly feel like this whole thing is something out of the show ‘True Detective’ actually even more bizarre the more I read in depth outside of news sources.
VICE just did the most comprehensive and collective piece that ****s with your head to and made me go ‘man wtf are you doing? think of what you might be able to help solve?”

I know realize after a lot of studying that I should probably go to the FBI at this point for my protection with the people involved and maybe contact John Ray.

October 2015 was the last time anyone posted here but hopefully I get a response somewhat soon.

You can email me at unique email I made just for all this…

LISKwitness@gmail.com

Godspeed

LL6 notes: heavily clothes to avoid ticks/ivy/bramble? Could be a BS story of course but reminds me of the reddit user who posted they saw a guy dumping body bags off a footpath along OP. Everyone laughed that the story had no credence but I think it could be real.

I Love the way you explore every avenue Lindsay...

I personally found that site a complete mindscrew... this lISK witness post is very odd...not buying it personally...But would find it intrresting if the gmail address could be traced....

Have to say if he the poster really felt he needed protection...why would he go on a defunct website announcing himself as a witness and then supplying a email address to be contacted at..

Man says maybe he should have gone to the FBI or John Ray....NO... just do a speil incorporating uninteresting long-winded information about yourself..what you do..bla bla...on what was the most ridiculious LISK conspiracy site ever born.

Sorry think its bogus...

But I could be wrong....Im known for my totally random posts too...

Puggle x

 

[deedee21]

And once again, the common thread of the use of thechnology plays a part. This witness saw a baby monitor in/around the alleged perps vehicle.

Doesnt someone need two pieces of equipment (wireless) for this to work? Is there one piece of equipment up the pkwy to pick up the sound of oncoming traffic? Im assuming the equipment next to the van is there to project sound.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Doesnt someone need two pieces of equipment (wireless) for this to work? Is there one piece of equipment up the pkwy to pick up the sound of oncoming traffic? Im assuming the equipment next to the van is there to project sound.

I would think it would be a scanner. To listen to any activity in the area. A scanner could look like a monitor. JMO.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I Love the way you explore every avenue Lindsay...

I personally found that site a complete mindscrew... this lISK witness post is very odd...not buying it personally...But would find it intrresting if the gmail address could be traced....

Have to say if he the poster really felt he needed protection...why would he go on a defunct website announcing himself as a witness and then supplying a email address to be contacted at..

Man says maybe he should have gone to the FBI or John Ray....NO... just do a speil incorporating uninteresting long-winded information about yourself..what you do..bla bla...on what was the most ridiculious LISK conspiracy site ever born.

Sorry think its bogus...

But I could be wrong....Im known for my totally random posts too...

Puggle x

thank you pug, the story sounds far fetched to me as well but strange enough to be true. the club wagon sounds like a rare car, why would someone be driving an old van like this? i don't know anything about cars

 

[Momoffourboys]

A club wagon (if it's what I know to be a club wagon) is not rare at all. They are more like a work van.
Here is an example.


https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ford-Club-Wagon.jpg

 

[LindsayLohan6]

but a 70's club wagon?