FL FL - Kevin McGrath, 26, missing from a cruise ship, Miami, 4 Sept 2023

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Respectfully, I don't find this very plausible. The exit/entry of a cruise ship when it's docked at a visiting port is a small and tightly controlled, single-file bottleneck. There is even an x-ray detector for your bags when you re-enter the ship. It isn't like the self-checkout line at the grocery, and there would be no way to scan two different ID cards on the way onto or off the ship. It would be about the same thing as trying to scan someone else's boarding pass at an airplane gate to 'prove' they got on the plane.

I'm also not sure what the point would be of "sneaking" off at Bimini--the Bimini islands are tiny, so he would be spotted pretty quickly. They're also very, very close to the coast of Florida, so if he wanted to escape from the US for some reason, he could just do that ... from Florida.

Finally, I don't think anyone's turned up any reason he would want to escape from the United States.

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If KM did not reboard the ship in Bimini, cruise ship personnel would have known it. Not to mention that family members with whom KM was traveling would have reported him missing when he wasn't back on the ship for the return to Miami. According to his father, KM did not have ID and would have had a difficult time getting back into the U.S. or any other island/country, for that matter. Whether accidental or intentional, I think Kevin went overboard in the pre-dawn hours when it was very dark and most onboard venues had ceased operation so guest accounts could be settled prior to disembarkation. JMO
 
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If KM did not reboard the ship in Bimini, cruise ship personnel would have known it. Not to mention that family members with whom KM was traveling would have reported him missing when he wasn't back on the ship for the return to Miami. According to his father, KM did not have ID and would have had a difficult time getting back into the U.S. or any other island/country, for that matter. Whether accidental or intentional, I think Kevin went overboard in the pre-dawn hours when it wasvery dark and most onboard venues had ceased operation so guest accounts could be settled prior to disembarkation. JMO

this is my conclusion, to date, as well.
"all hands on deck" for closing out business, and getting ready for disembarkment.
They did not 'see' what happened.
 
Respectfully, I don't find this very plausible. The exit/entry of a cruise ship when it's docked at a visiting port is a small and tightly controlled, single-file bottleneck. There is even an x-ray detector for your bags when you re-enter the ship. It isn't like the self-checkout line at the grocery, and there would be no way to scan two different ID cards on the way onto or off the ship. It would be about the same thing as trying to scan someone else's boarding pass at an airplane gate to 'prove' they got on the plane.

I'm also not sure what the point would be of "sneaking" off at Bimini--the Bimini islands are tiny, so he would be spotted pretty quickly. They're also very, very close to the coast of Florida, so if he wanted to escape from the US for some reason, he could just do that ... from Florida.

Finally, I don't think anyone's turned up any reason he would want to escape from the United States.

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I understand what you are saying. We all have different theories on this because none of it makes any sense.

I have been on quite a few cruises and I visited Bimini on one of them. There is normally a bit of chaos getting back on the ship because a lot of people do not have their sign and sail card out (or they can't find it) and those people step to the side so that others can continue to move through the line. Also, when putting bags on the belt for the xray machine a lot of people also fumble around to get all the stuff out of their pockets etc and cause delays in others boarding etc. You are correct, it does turn into a bottleneck at times. I have seen one person hand 4 or 5 sign and sail cards to the person scanning them in and say I have all of their cards and kind of randomly point to the people around them. While the crew certainly seem to do their best to verify all of the peoples cards they are handed (or that one person is standing their handing to them one by one) I think it could happen.

My theory is that he never got back on the ship in Bimini and had help from another family member or friend and something like this happened. I do not have a theory on why he would want to disappear, just that I think he wanted to disappear. Bimini has a ferry service that runs 3 days a week to and from Ft Lauderdale and another one that runs to Freeport Bahamas. Also, many personal boaters travel to and from Bimini from the US and other Bahamian islands daily because it is a short trip and the beaches on Bimini really are nice. We actually saw a boat from Miami that was doing PR for something when we were in Bimini and they pulled up just outside of the swimming area, blasted music and welcomed anyone to come on board that wanted to check the boat out. (It was a beautiful smaller yacht.)

Continuing with the theory that he wanted to disappear, he could have easily traveled to Bimini prior to this trip and made arrangements with one of these boaters to get a "ride" off Bimini, stash some starter money etc. It all sounds wild I know, but crazier things have happened.

Also, there are two videos of him dancing in the atrium of the ship on Saturday night, the night before the ship docked in Bimini, and some family photos that have been released from Saturday night, but there have been zero, (at least that I have been able to find) videos or photos of him onboard the ship after the group got back on in Bimini. There have been zero people from the group that I have found that have stated publicly to media sources or on social media as to what he did once he got back on the ship. There has been no timeline. (i.e. did he go to dinner with the family that night? A Show? The casino? Etc.) If this info was put out publicly it could certainly help other passengers that were on that cruise possibly remember seeing him somewhere that evening prior to his brother seeing him or hearing him at 2AM. Also, no other passengers from that sailing have come forward to the media (news or social) to say they remember seeing him at X place on the ship or have come up with photos or videos showing him in the background somewhere. People always have their phones out these days onboard to record everything... I feel like if he was on that ship, someone would be able to show him on that ship.

Also, Even though his father stated to the media that his mother had his ID and birth certificate, he could very well still have his military passport from his service in the Army (not sure if they get to keep their passports once they leave the service; my stepson who is in the Army is going to try to find that out for me) or gotten a civilian passport without the knowledge of his family.

I am sure LE is researching all these ideas already (along with all of the other possibilities) and hopefully that is why they have not made any more public statements to the press yet.

Whatever happened to him or wherever he is, I hope that he is found safe and if he is trying to just disappear for a while, I hope that he finds a way to contact someone from his family to let them know he is ok and just taking some time.
 
I'm just curious why Kevin's mom held his identification like his driver's license and birth certificates. He is 26 years old, old enough be responsible enough to look after his own documentation unless there's a reason why his mom held his documents that we don't know about. Every ship I've been on has a safe in the cabin to store valuables/documents so there would have been one in Kevin's cabin.

I also find it curious that the Coast Guard searched 3300 square nautical miles for over 80 hours when his brother said he saw him at 7 am on the morning of debarkation. So if he was identified as on board the vessel that morning before breakfast why on earth would the CG search that great an area? The ship is scheduled to arrive at the Miami dock at 8 am. The Conquest is scheduled to leave Bimini at 5 pm on Sunday so it took the ship 15 hours to arrive in Miami. That is the issue with this particular cruise; the slow circuitous routes to Bimini and back to Miami. At what point in time does the captain sail back to Miami to arrive at 8 am. The Conquest's fastest speed is 26 mph or 23 knots. If Kevin truly had been seen by his brother at 7 am on Monday morning why does the search area suggests otherwise?

What I know about inside cabins is they are truly cave like. They are incredibly dark without any ambient lighting from natural sources. Some newer ships have those LED lights like you see on aisles in plane cabins but I doubt the Conquest has them. Kevin was seen dancing on Sunday night on cell phone video but I'm not sure of the time. Andre said he last saw his brother at 2 am in the cabin. Was Andre already in bed? Did they both return to the cabin at the same time? I presume they had twin beds in the cabin rather than one pushed together. This is where it gets a bit sketchy for me since a tv station KMOVnews4 said Andre saw Kevin at 2 am while the ship was docked in Port Miami?
Link: KMOV News 4 St. Louis on Instagram: "26-year-old Kevin McGrath was last seen in his cabin by his brother around 2 a.m. while the ship was docked at Port Miami. Story updates at our link in bio. #carnival #cruise #missing #passenger"

Why would it be docked at that time when Carnival's itinerary shows docking at 8 am?


I'm so confused at this point. I don't see him going overboard if his brother saw him at 7 am on Monday. If he didn't see him then that changes everything. As for the 3:30 entrance into the cabin, how do we know it wasn't someone who found/took Kevin's keycard and decided to do a little snooping only to find another person in the cabin.
 
As for the 3:30 entrance into the cabin, how do we know it wasn't someone who found/took Kevin's keycard and decided to do a little snooping only to find another person in the cabin.

I’m not sure about Carnival, but I don’t think I’ve ever been on a cruise (or in a hotel) where the room number is printed on the magnetic card … pretty much for this reason. I suppose an extremely determined person could try it on every door on the ship, but I feel like that would a very risky project. :)
 
I'm just curious why Kevin's mom held his identification like his driver's license and birth certificates. He is 26 years old, old enough be responsible enough to look after his own documentation unless there's a reason why his mom held his documents that we don't know about. Every ship I've been on has a safe in the cabin to store valuables/documents so there would have been one in Kevin's cabin.


RSBM

The statement that mom was holding his ID and birth certificate set off my hinky meter when I first heard it. Like you said, the man is 26 years old, why was mom holding his ID?

Did mom also hold the ID for his twin brother and everyone else in the family? JMO
 
I’m not sure about Carnival, but I don’t think I’ve ever been on a cruise (or in a hotel) where the room number is printed on the magnetic card … pretty much for this reason. I suppose an extremely determined person could try it on every door on the ship, but I feel like that would a very risky project. :)

Unless the person told someone their cabin number.
 
RSBM

The statement that mom was holding his ID and birth certificate set off my hinky meter when I first heard it. Like you said, the man is 26 years old, why was mom holding his ID?

Did mom also hold the ID for his twin brother and everyone else in the family? JMO
Given that this was a large family group together on the cruise, I would not think it strange for one person to hold documents for the entire party. A group of @40 people would occupy several cabins, all of which were likely linked together at the time of booking. Whoever planned the trip probably made arrangements for special events while on the ship, i.e. a birthday party for KM's dad, a group photo session, or some other pre-planned group activity that was arranged prior to the cruise. It might have been easier for one person to handle the documentation for everyone in the group. JMO
 
Given that this was a large family group together on the cruise, I would not think it strange for one person to hold documents for the entire party. A group of @40 people would occupy several cabins, all of which were likely linked together at the time of booking. Whoever planned the trip probably made arrangements for special events while on the ship, i.e. a birthday party for KM's dad, a group photo session, or some other pre-planned group activity that was arranged prior to the cruise. It might have been easier for one person to handle the documentation for everyone in the group. JMO
That’s possible. Just speaking for myself, I would not want to carry or be responsible for 40 IDs and birth certificates for others on a three day cruise. For children I could definitely see it, but not adults. And as an adult I wouldn’t hand off my ID or documents for someone else to be responsible for. But that’s just me.

JMO
 
That’s possible. Just speaking for myself, I would not want to carry or be responsible for 40 IDs and birth certificates for others on a three day cruise. For children I could definitely see it, but not adults. And as an adult I wouldn’t hand off my ID or documents for someone else to be responsible for. But that’s just me.

JMO
We know very little about Kevin or his family. I don't do social media, so I can only speak to what's been reported by the media. Perhaps the family had reason to believe that KM might not be "responsible" with his documents, or they might have actually been genuinely concerned for his welfare on the cruise. JMO
 
When water is nearby and someone goes missing, it's nearly always the water.
I'd dearly love it not to be, and I don't think I'm alone in this, so this is perhaps why people enjoy or consider conspiracy theories about what else might've happened.
Any alternative is better than the obvious scenario.
 
I’m not sure about Carnival, but I don’t think I’ve ever been on a cruise (or in a hotel) where the room number is printed on the magnetic card … pretty much for this reason. I suppose an extremely determined person could try it on every door on the ship, but I feel like that would a very risky project. :)
Room numbers are not on the cards. People lose their keycards all the time.
 
Are any of the verified Law Enforcement users in this thread? And if so, is there a way to message them directly through the site?
 
Are any of the verified Law Enforcement users in this thread? And if so, is there a way to message them directly through the site?
 

You can also alert them to this thread by posting here with an @ before their name, letting them know their help would be welcome. For example @SleuthyQ. :)
 
I saw that. I wasn’t sure if it was ok to just privately message one of them on the list or if it would be better to just ask in the thread in case one of them is already following this story. . I’m a newbie and still learning all the ins and outs.
 
I saw that. I wasn’t sure if it was ok to just privately message one of them on the list or if it would be better to just ask in the thread in case one of them is already following this story. . I’m a newbie and still learning all the ins and outs.
I reached out to one I know is active - let’s see if they have interest in this thread.
 
Oh that’s awesome! Thank you so much. Do I just pick one at random? . I just want to make sure I’m following proper protocol.

You can put more than one in your post, using @ before their name. We often do that when we need attorneys on a thread, rather than sending a private message (I.e. start a conversation with).

ETA: Oops! I see you already sent them a message. Here’s hoping. :)
 

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