FL FL - Little Talbot Island, WhtMale 79UMFL, 40-60, leaning against tree, Jan'90

[CarlK90245]

The Doe Network:
Case File 79UMFL http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/79umfl.html
NamUs UP 961 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/961

Sketch of Victim by J. McMillan

Unidentified White Male
Located on January 20, 1990 on Little Talbot Island, Duval County, Florida.
Estimated Date of Death: 3 - 6 months prior to discovery.
Cause of Death: homicide, gunshot
State of Remains: Partial Skeletal

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 40 - 60 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6'2" - 6'4"; 250 - 290 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Graying sandy blonde and almost straight hair. Wide face.
Clothing: He was wearing a size 40 blue button-down shirt; blue "Hager" pants size 40 long; a white T-shirt; a light gray jacket; black socks; size 13 black leather shoes with laces; white boxer underwear; and a brown belt. He was carrying a hat/visor.
Personal Effects : A key chain with 4 keys, 2 being car key of General Motors', a government-issued ball point pen, black frame, non prescription sunglasses, super glue, nail clippers, plastic comb and a black smoking pipe.
Skeletal Findings : Possible old laminectomy L4-L5; styloid process on right ulna was very short or broken away and remaining stump eburnated; perforation through left maxillary sinus with fistulous tract from chronic sinus infection; one or more healed fractures of nasal bones; at least partially healed fracture of right second rib.
Fingerprints: Not available. Unobtainable.
Dentals: Available, Extensive dental work. #5&9: root canal therapy completed; #23-26: fractured; #13: acrylic composite/veneer; #20: tilted distally; #27: rotated; #2,3,7,9,10,11, 12,15 & 18: severe bone loss.
DNA: Pending

Case History
The victim's skeletal remains located Off the Atlantic coast, at 15000 Block of Hecksher Drive, twenty miles from downtown Jacksonville, Florida, On Little Talbot Island, in a wooded area.
Little Talbot Island is a undeveloped, barrier island near the Duval/Nassau County line, in Northeast Florida. The entire island - 2,500 acres - is a State Park.

He was found resting up against a tree and seated on plastic material.

 

[CarlK90245]

The height is off, but I couldn't help but notice the resemblance of Edward F. Grossman to the reconstruction for this John Doe.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8039/0
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/grossman_edward.html

Aside from the height, everything else seems plausible.
* His age (59) is within range (40-60)
* The timeline is right - LKA (Sep-89) to Discovery (Jan-90) is 4 months - Consistent with the 3-6 month postmortem interval.
* The circumstances indicate that he would not necessarily be expected to be found near the area from where he disappeared (Wyoming County NY)

The rule-out list contains 19 names, but not his.

There is no DNA or Dentals on him, so they might have trouble comparing him.

 

[vermontaigne]

Looks worthwhile to me, Carl.

 

[CherBearSTL]

The height is off, but I couldn't help but notice the resemblance of Edward F. Grossman to the reconstruction for this John Doe.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8039/0
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/grossman_edward.html

Aside from the height, everything else seems plausible.
* His age (59) is within range (40-60)
* The timeline is right - LKA (Sep-89) to Discovery (Jan-90) is 4 months - Consistent with the 3-6 month postmortem interval.
* The circumstances indicate that he would not necessarily be expected to be found near the area from where he disappeared (Wyoming County NY)

The rule-out list contains 19 names, but not his.

There is no DNA or Dentals on him, so they might have trouble comparing him.

Grossman is said to have black hair, while the UID had graying blond hair. That would lead me to think this isn't him. But the 2 photos of Grossman are so different, which makes it difficult to say for sure.

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[hayaletcatcher]

Exclusions
The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
Elito Castro 0
Ernest E. Cofield 0
Phillip Crossan 0
Leen Dykhuizen 0
Roy Hagel 1950 North Dakota
Gerard J. Hanrahan 1941 Massachusetts
Ronald Peter Lombardo 0
Peter Strother Madison 0
Sydney Manning 0
Richard Masson 0
George Miles 1927 Maryland
Tracey, AKA Tracy, Walter Miracle 1926 Kentucky
Hanson Oates 0
Gordon Thomas Page, Jr 1963 Michigan
Johnny L. Parker 0
Fred M. Russ 0
William C. Taylor, VII 0
Marten Van Harten 1956 Florida
Ronald Westwick 1944 Iowa

 

[Murkywaters]

Located & Identified Persons

79UMFL, discovered on January 20, 1990 in Little Talbot Island, Florida, has been identified per NamUs. No further information is available.

 

[Medical_man]

Located & Identified Persons

79UMFL, discovered on January 20, 1990 in Little Talbot Island, Florida, has been identified per NamUs. No further information is available.

No name?

 

[Xyklone]

He wasn’t identified but instead got listed in NamUs under a new case number.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

He wasn’t identified but instead got listed in NamUs under a new case number.

His DoeNetwork page says 'Identified', though. Do you have a link to his new NamUs?

Edit: Found it! Unidentified Person Case

How odd. Was he misidentified, then?

 

[Gourami Watcher]

His DoeNetwork page says 'Identified', though. Do you have a link to his new NamUs?

Edit: Found it! Unidentified Person Case

How odd. Was he misidentified, then?

The Doe Network page has since been updated. I'm assuming LE created a duplicate entry and deleted the old one we linked to.

 

[Nate_Bro]

Im curious of others opinions on James Lynn McGlothin. He went missing 2,5 months before the Doe was found. His vehicle was a Chevy blazer (consistent with the Does Keys, GM vehicle required a separate key for the fuel cap), and he also visually resembled the Doe. Things off are the height and the hair color (but i am always skeptical of given hair colors)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[lindamichelle1]

wow he does look similar!!
Jimmy Lynn McGlothin (1937-1989) - Find A Grave...
Found his obituary too and dates work out well and if he had that much cash on him then thats a motive for murder.


This one is so odd, like clearly he has keys to a house and a car etc someone knows he is missing.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

79UMFL

 

[citizen_sleuth]

My parents live nearby and I’ve been to Little Talbot (and Big Talbot) a few times. There is only one road, Highway A1A, that goes to the island. There is a small access road that leads to a parking lot with beach access, but there isn’t any other way onto or off of the island. I’m not sure what it was like in 1990, but at least currently people will sometimes park their cars on the shoulder of the road, particularly near the bridges where people sometimes fish. It’s also moderately popular, but not overwhelmingly so. I also don’t remember seeing any trees near the beach, as there were large dunes abutting the beach which led up to a wooded area between the dunes and the road, so I’m not sure where he could’ve been found against a tree unless it was on the side of the road or in the area near the parking lot.

 

[dotr]

Chris Will, News4JAX Reporter, Jacksonville July 15, 2024

Jacksonville detectives are trying to solve a cold case from 1990. Can you help them identify the victim?

A body discovered in the woods near Little Talbot Island State Park in 1990 still has not been identified. JSO is looking for your help.

www.news4jax.com

''He said the victim was a white man in his 50s.
Investigators place the victim around 6-foot-2 to 6-foot-4.
“So we know we’re dealing with a very large human being,” Oliver said.''
''Anyone with any information is encouraged to contact JSO’s non-emergency line at 904-630-0500.''

Crime scene photos from a 1990 Jacksonville cold case. (Provided by Jacksonville Sheriff's Office)

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Chris Will, News4JAX Reporter, Jacksonville July 15, 2024

Jacksonville detectives are trying to solve a cold case from 1990. Can you help them identify the victim?

A body discovered in the woods near Little Talbot Island State Park in 1990 still has not been identified. JSO is looking for your help.

www.news4jax.com

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''He said the victim was a white man in his 50s.
Investigators place the victim around 6-foot-2 to 6-foot-4.
“So we know we’re dealing with a very large human being,” Oliver said.''
''Anyone with any information is encouraged to contact JSO’s non-emergency line at 904-630-0500.''
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Crime scene photos from a 1990 Jacksonville cold case. (Provided by Jacksonville Sheriff's Office)

I think I will call and recommend they contact Othram.
The Talbot islands are in my back yard... feels "local". Hard to think of someone finding Little Talbot as a dumping ground, unless a local.

 

[dotr]

July 16 '24 rbbm

''This month we spotlight a case involving unidentified human remains. Information available at this time is as follows, in the afternoon hours of Saturday, January 20, 1990, a couple hiking near the 15000 block of Heckscher Drive near Little Talbot Island discovered the human skeletal remains in a wooded area. JSO Homicide Detectives were notified and later determined the remains appeared as though they had been in the area for an extended period of time. The victim was found to have been shot. He has been identified as a white male, believed to be in his 50s and appeared to be about 6 feet tall. Detectives believe the victim was wearing a gray shirt, black pants, and black shoes. A sketch was provided of what the victim potentially looked like at the time of his death. Anyone having any information on the victim’s identity or information related to this case is asked to contact the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office at 904-630-0500 or email us at JSOCrimeTips@jaxsheriff.org. To remain anonymous and be eligible for a cash reward call First Coast Crime Stoppers at 1-866-845-TIPS or **TIPS (star star 8477).''