FL FL - Pasco County, MultipleMale, 26-70, UP65585, Port Richey, 12 Dec 2019

[devertere]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP65585
Male, Multiple



Date Body Found
December 12, 2019

Location Found
Port Richey, Florida


Case Information

Case Numbers
NCMEC Number
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ME/C Case Number
5192269


Demographics

Sex
Male

Race / Ethnicity
White / Caucasian, Hispanic / Latino

Possible First Name
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Possible Middle Name
--
Possible Last Name
--
Nickname/Alias
--

Estimated Age Group
Adult - Pre 70

Estimated Age Range (Years)
26-70

Estimated Year of Death
--
Estimated PMI
--

Height
5' 3"-5' 10"(63-70 inches) , Estimated

Weight
Cannot Estimate


Circumstances

Type
Unidentified Deceased

Date Body Found
December 12, 2019

NamUs Case Created
February 21, 2020

ME/C QA Reviewed
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Location
Port Richey, Florida 34668

County
Pasco County

GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)
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Found On Tribal Land
No


Circumstances of Recovery

Found by a hiker in the Werner-Boyce Salt Spring State Park, located at 8737 US 19 in Port Richey Florida.


Details of Recovery

Inventory of Remains
One or more limbs not recovered

Condition of Remains
Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton


Physical Description

Hair Color
Unknown
Head Hair Description
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Body Hair Description
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Facial Hair Description
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Left Eye Color
Unknown
Right Eye Color
Unknown
Eye Description
--

Distinctive Physical Features
No Information Entered

Clothing and Accessories

Accessories
Large brown "Italian Craftskin" leather belt

Near the Body
Black baseball styled hat with "Primitive" on one side and "Mountain Dew" on the other side

Near the Body
Clothing: A large Haines T-Shirt with pocket

Near the Body
Clothing: Large Haines white
underwear

Near the Body
Clothing: 1 white tube sock made by "And One"

Near the Body
Footwear: Two black 8 1/2 sized tennis shoes

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)



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Sorry, I'm stuck with writing/editing on my phone, because my laptop is not working properly. I submitted John Paul Skirta as a possible match. Parameters match, he went missing from Palm Harbour in 2000, a 30 min drive away. The sketch looks older but Skirta went missing at age 43, so I believe he is younger in the photo they used.

Side-by-side:

 

[PayrollNerd]

What does this mean? I’ve never seen that before.

“Male, Multiple”

 

[devertere]

That they are not sure and there are multiple races possible. In this case they considered hispanic and white as possibilities.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I see a resemblance to this guy....
James Michael Whetzel – The Charley Project



Also, am I seeing correctly, does the UID have an upper denture plate? You can see it in the 3rd photo, where they use the depth markers on the skull (not sure what they’re called).

 

[devertere]

That's a really good match. Call it in!

I'm not sure about the dentures, but the cops can rule it out pretty easily then.

Edit: Only thing that makes me reconsider is that there are only 4 m between MP and UP find. Not sure if that is enough time to turn to a skeleton.

 

[Susikatze]

That's a really good match. Call it in!

I'm not sure about the dentures, but the cops can rule it out pretty easily then.

Edit: Only thing that makes me reconsider is that there are only 4 m between MP and UP find. Not sure if that is enough time to turn to a skeleton.

Depending on temperature and humidity (Florida summer and fall),that is entirely possible.

 

[BrownBear]

1 Exclusion
MP57132 Christopher Kuhr 08/03/2018 Montgomery, TN

 

[Puzzled27]

I see a resemblance to this guy....
James Michael Whetzel – The Charley Project
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Also, am I seeing correctly, does the UID have an upper denture plate? You can see it in the 3rd photo, where they use the depth markers on the skull (not sure what they’re called).
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I don't think it could be James Michael Whetzel. I see he went missing in 2019 but was later arrested in Beverly Hills, CA in 2021. MDPD has not updated or doesn't know.

 

[PatLaurel]

What about Clinton Thomas Ingram?

Height is off but I see a resemblance. MOO

 

[megs1477]

Did anyone else notice the shoe size? 8.5 for a male is pretty small.
Also, as someone mentioned above, the dental work is usually called a bridge I believe.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

What about Clinton Thomas Ingram?

Height is off but I see a resemblance. MOO

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FL - FL - Clinton Ingram, 39, Spring Hill, 28 April 2015

[/url][/IMG] [/url][/IMG] Namus Florida arrests (More pictures) According to Namus, Clinton Ingram, 39, shared a residence with his girlfriend and on April 28, 2015 he left and never returned. He also goes by "Tommy" (his middle name is Thomas). Seems to have a lengthy criminal record going...

www.websleuths.com

 

[PatLaurel]

FL - FL - Clinton Ingram, 39, Spring Hill, 28 April 2015

[/url][/IMG] [/url][/IMG] Namus Florida arrests (More pictures) According to Namus, Clinton Ingram, 39, shared a residence with his girlfriend and on April 28, 2015 he left and never returned. He also goes by "Tommy" (his middle name is Thomas). Seems to have a lengthy criminal record going...

www.websleuths.com

Thanks, @John/Jane Doe! Very odd that Ingram's truck was found buried. Unfortunately it doesn't say where.

 

[PatLaurel]

Did anyone else notice the shoe size? 8.5 for a male is pretty small.
Also, as someone mentioned above, the dental work is usually called a bridge I believe.

I didn't notice the shoe size until you mentioned it. What I did notice was that the shoes were very clean compared to the socks, t-shirt and cap.
Back to the size, there's a site from India selling that exact model and it says the shoes run one size larger. If the same applies to the shoes sold in the US, maybe our JD was a size 9.5 or 10?
The shoes are from the brand "Athletic Works", a Walmart trademark. The socks "And 1" are also sold at Walmart.
The cap is a Paul Rodriguez Primitive Mountain Dew. It was most likely a free gift in the purchase of three Mountain Dew 12-packs.
Useless info, but I thought I'd share it... just in case.

 

[megs1477]

I didn't notice the shoe size until you mentioned it. What I did notice was that the shoes were very clean compared to the socks, t-shirt and cap.
Back to the size, there's a site from India selling that exact model and it says the shoes run one size larger. If the same applies to the shoes sold in the US, maybe our JD was a size 9.5 or 10?
The shoes are from the brand "Athletic Works", a Walmart trademark. The socks "And 1" are also sold at Walmart.
The cap is a Paul Rodriguez Primitive Mountain Dew. It was most likely a free gift in the purchase of three Mountain Dew 12-packs.
Useless info, but I thought I'd share it... just in case.

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I think it’s useful. I noticed the Dew logo and was thinking giveaway. The location plus the items mentioned gives me the indication that he was likely homeless.

 

[PatLaurel]

Another intriguing thing, in addition to the clean shoes, a large leather belt was found but, our JD had no lower garments on . MOO JMO

 

[megs1477]

Another intriguing thing, in addition to the clean shoes, a large leather belt was found but, our JD had no lower garments on . MOO JMO

There is a lot of wildlife in that area. All of his remains were not recovered, so I would say it is possible they were drug off by a critter.

 

[whiterhino]

Another intriguing thing, in addition to the clean shoes, a large leather belt was found but, our JD had no lower garments on . MOO JMO

Could it have been used to possibly kill the victim? Without knowing COD anything is possible (broken bones would be telltale).

 

[whiterhino]

Adding: I think the description of the belt is meant to say "CALF SKIN" not "craftskin". 37 inch belt length is typically for a mens size medium (34/36 inch waist approx). However IMO the belt looks a bit feminine, esp the buckle. Have these items been tested to prove they belong to the deceased person?

The shoes look hardly worn!

This person was found right in the midst of Covid. Is it possible to test remains for any trace of a viral infection?

 

[dotr]

Suggested on this UID thread by HockeyFan.

AZ - AZ - Robert William "Bobby" Fisher, Scottsdale, Apr 2001 *FBI Ten Most Wanted*

Does anyone know where to find the full 911 call? I found the cut version on AZCentral, but It'd be great if I could find the full version.

www.websleuths.com

 

[PatLaurel]

Bringing @whiterhino's comment here: AZ - AZ - Robert William "Bobby" Fisher, Scottsdale, Apr 2001 *FBI Ten Most Wanted*

"Forgot to mention: Fisher has a gold crown. If remains are found with intact dentals and a gold crown, worth looking deeper.(...)

Are dentals available for our John Doe?