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Either it's a different guy with a very similar name, or else his dissertation was published with his name misspelled. Is it a certainty that Spanier wrote this thing?

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...21101111662251
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Yep, it's him...

http://www.springerlink.com/content/g18580h5t244324u/

And his doctoral dissertation...

http://www.worldcat.org/title/sexual-socialization-and-premarital-sexual-behavior-an-empirical-investigation-of-the-impact-of-formal-and-informal-sex-education/oclc/015111617
 
Julien said:
Raykovitz most definitely doesn't get a pass from me! In a former life I practiced as a clinical psychologist and I was shocked when I learned about Raykovitz' role as a psychologist in this cast of characters... and then even more so when the news broke about Matt Sandusky. This was before I had started to really look into this mess. According to his biological mother, Debra Long, Matt even saw Raykovitz for some of his counseling after his suicide attempt. This is one of the biggest cluster!@#$s of boundary violations I have ever seen! The INSTANT that I read about Matt starting a fire in the barn... I started to question whether or not he'd been abused... and even more so after reading further about his history, how he came to live with Sandusky, etc., etc.. I cannot imagine that, given Raykovitz' training and working with at-risk youth, he didn't have some of the same thoughts run through his mind! And that's just about Matt... now consider the 1998 and 2001 incidents.
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He claims he didn't know about 1998, and I tend to believe him. I'm not sure how much Curley told him about 2001.

This raises so many questions... Why did Sandusky pick Raykovitz to head up TSM? Raykovitz received his PhD from PSU in 1983... the same year he was hired at TSM. Why pick someone THAT green and pay them such a large salary given his credentials? I've seen his LinkedIn account... why is he not listing TSM as part of his Experience? He's listing Scenery Park Psychology Group from 1996-Present, although his Company Website link leads right back to TSM. And his Contact Jack for:... he's only selected getting back in touch. Ironic, no?!
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He got his Ph D in '85, but had his master's in 1979. Like Seasock, you can work in the field prior to getting your doctorate. As someone running an agency, his duties would not be clinical, but administrative.

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I located the address for Scenery Park Psychology Group and googled that address. You might want to try this... and pay attention to the list of names/businesses that show up at the same address in a different suite. They will be listed on the left hand side when you click on the Google map.

Yet another coincidence?
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Yes. Amendola is a well known, and quite successful, defense attorney. I quoted him in a blog in the summer of 2010, about a comment he made during a 1997 manslaughter case. He also handled an inappropriate touching case against a township supervisor (an elected official), and got Accelerated Rehabilitative Disposition (ARD) in 2005. It's a professional building, and he's not the only lawyer in the building.

Really, Amendola was one of the top two choices in Centre County to defend Sandusky; the third is the current DA, so she won't be doing it. It wasn't a winning case and Sandusky wasn't willing to deal.
 
He got his Ph D in '85, but had his master's in 1979. Like Seasock, you can work in the field prior to getting your doctorate. As someone running an agency, his duties would not be clinical, but administrative.
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Then someone needs to tell JR that he received his PhD in 1985 because he claims he received it in 1983...

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jack-raykovitz-ph-d/10/178/689

I am aware that you can work in the field without a doctorate, although I will leave Seasock for another discussion. That's not the issue I was raising regarding JR.

From this link...

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/19/12284171-ghosts-of-sanduskys-dreams-haunt-empty-home-where-his-charity-was-born?lite


In its early days, Raykovitz ran the day-to-day operations of the charity, which included week-long camps -- first for boys, then also for girls -- on the Penn State campus. He signed off on licensing documents for the foster care agency. For a short time, state records show, he also provided psychological counseling to some of the foster children.
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And regarding Matt in particular, from this link...

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/22/12361053-matt-sandusky-from-staunch-defender-to-possibly-his-fathers-most-damning-accuser?lite

Centre County Common Pleas Judge David E. Grine agreed to release Matt into the Sanduskys’ care. A letter from a school-based probation officer to the court recounts how, in March 1996, Matt tried to commit suicide. It was recommended that he receive “intensive outpatient counseling.” According to Long, Jack Raykovitz, the chief executive of Second Mile and a licensed child psychologist, provided at least some of that counseling.
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The point I was making is that there are major ethical and boundary issues regarding Raykovitz providing therapy to his bosses' troubled dependent/foster child/son. This is not the only source that I have read where Long made this claim, and in light of what happened with Matt and the circumstances surrounding it... it all-the-more raises red flags. How does Sandusky make some phone calls while he's in LA for the Rose Bowl and manage to become a foster parent for Matt? Debra Long claims that she witnessed the downward spiral of her son from the point that JS came into his life... and that there was an ever-increasinig attempt on the part of both JS/DS to alienate him from his biological family. She alerted numerous people and no one listened. A probation officer, Terry Trude, even expressed "serious concerns" about his "progress and safety" in his placement with JS/DS. And what about other patients JR may have seen who were also victims or potential victims of JS? I know therapists (particularly males) who won't conduct sessions with children with a closed door... let alone allow themselves to become entangled in such an enmeshed web! Nope... regarding JR... we'll just have to agree to disagree.

What is absolutely certain is that there were a number of people raising very serious issues during this whole fiasco and a LOT of people turned a blind eye to it! These were systemic problems... with PSU, but also with TSM, CYS, DPW, etc.. Sadly, we now know at least some of the consequences of those problems. Although there has been too much focus on PSU, perhaps at the expense of discovering the others involved... IMO.

And quite obviously JS did not have a winning case... irrespective of Amendola. I personally found it curious that he and JR share the same professional building... just as I found his own story regarding his 16yo client/employee/wife. And yes, I am aware that the age of consent is 16yo. Again... it's a matter of ethics and boundaries.

BTW... my apologies for going so far O/T for this particular thread. Chalk it up to me being a newbie here and still learning to navigate around the site. :)
 
First, you are just fine and not just for a newbie. :)

Second, I checked the alumni directory. :) I know he lists it as 1983 in his bio; I'd assume it is a typo.

Third, my only reason to reference Seasack was to show that someone could work in the field, legitimately, without a Ph D.

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Julien said:
The point I was making is that there are major ethical and boundary issues regarding Raykovitz providing therapy to his bosses' troubled dependent/foster child/son. This is not the only source that I have read where Long made this claim, and in light of what happened with Matt and the circumstances surrounding it... it all-the-more raises red flags. How does Sandusky make some phone calls while he's in LA for the Rose Bowl and manage to become a foster parent for Matt? Debra Long claims that she witnessed the downward spiral of her son from the point that JS came into his life... and that there was an ever-increasinig attempt on the part of both JS/DS to alienate him from his biological family. She alerted numerous people and no one listened. A probation officer, Terry Trude, even expressed "serious concerns" about his "progress and safety" in his placement with JS/DS. And what about other patients JR may have seen who were also victims or potential victims of JS? I know therapists (particularly males) who won't conduct sessions with children with a closed door... let alone allow themselves to become entangled in such an enmeshed web! Nope... regarding JR... we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Technically, at least, Sandusky wasn't Raykovitz's supervisor at the time. Sandusky was on the board of TSM, and their executive committee, but only one of a bunch of members. He obviously had a great deal of influence.

What is absolutely certain is that there were a number of people raising very serious issues during this whole fiasco and a LOT of people turned a blind eye to it! These were systemic problems... with PSU, but also with TSM, CYS, DPW, etc.. Sadly, we now know at least some of the consequences of those problems. Although there has been too much focus on PSU, perhaps at the expense of discovering the others involved... IMO.
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There was an obvious link between PSU and TSM. C&YS also had a link with TSM, but they declared a conflict of interest in 1998. I can't find any linkage between DPW, in particular, Lauro, and TSM or PSU.

And quite obviously JS did not have a winning case... irrespective of Amendola. I personally found it curious that he and JR share the same professional building... just as I found his own story regarding his 16yo client/employee/wife. And yes, I am aware that the age of consent is 16yo. Again... it's a matter of ethics and boundaries.
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Well, since March of 1998, I've been receiving medical treatment for a disability. Until my doctor moved this year, the office was right across the street from where Seasock was getting his doctorate. My father's urologist was in the same building, though he moved there in the early 2000's. I'm sure that I've been within 200 yards of Seasock, though we've never met.

The market that I usually go to in the area, and went to as late as Friday, is 500 yards from one of Victim 1's attorneys. I've been past his office 100s of times. I've never met the guy, as far as I know; I could have been standing behind him in line at the checkout.

The geographic proximity is pushing it.
 
J. J. in Phila said:
Technically, at least, Sandusky wasn't Raykovitz's supervisor at the time. Sandusky was on the board of TSM, and their executive committee, but only one of a bunch of members. He obviously had a great deal of influence.
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Perhaps from the standpoint of an administrative flowchart, Sandusky wasn't technically Raykovitz's supervisor, but as the founder, primary fundraiser and only public face of the agency, one would have to legitimately view him as the de facto boss.

While Raykovitz may have regularly provided counseling for some of TSM's foster children, where Matt Sandusky was involved, the ethically correct thing to do would be to contract those services to another agency that didn't have a relationship with Jerry Sandusky.

As Julien knows very well, it is similar to how a judge will recuse himself if he has any connection with persons involved in a trial. As a counselor, you are trained to be hypervigilant to any potential ethical conflicts and to avoid them like the plague.

While Raykovitz may have had only good intentions, the fact remains that he couldn't be trusted to be completely neutral because of the dual role of JS in Matt's case, and he should have been aware if anything had happened to Matt after his services, questions would have been asked (and rightfully so).

As we have seen with Spanier, just because you are trained to recognize child abuse, doesn't guarantee that you will respond appropriately when it relates to another entity close to you.
 
Rlaub44 said:
Perhaps from the standpoint of an administrative flowchart, Sandusky wasn't technically Raykovitz's supervisor, but as the founder, primary fundraiser and only public face of the agency, one would have to legitimately view him as the de facto boss.
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That's why I used the word "technically." But let's be honest, in the 1990's, Sandusky was a pillar of the community. Anyone in Centre County would have a favorable impression of him.

While Raykovitz may have regularly provided counseling for some of TSM's foster children, where Matt Sandusky was involved, the ethically correct thing to do would be to contract those services to another agency that didn't have a relationship with Jerry Sandusky.

As Julien knows very well, it is similar to how a judge will recuse himself if he has any connection with persons involved in a trial. As a counselor, you are trained to be hypervigilant to any potential ethical conflicts and to avoid them like the plague.
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The appearance of closeness does not create an ethical dilemma. Are we even sure that Raykovitz actually was counseling Matt?

While Raykovitz may have had only good intentions, the fact remains that he couldn't be trusted to be completely neutral because of the dual role of JS in Matt's case, and he should have been aware if anything had happened to Matt after his services, questions would have been asked (and rightfully so).
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I don't disagree that questions should be asked, but I think you can maintain neutrality even if you like one of the parties involved.

As we have seen with Spanier, just because you are trained to recognize child abuse, doesn't guarantee that you will respond appropriately when it relates to another entity close to you.
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I'm going to question if Spanier had any training in the subject of child abuse. Most of his writing was on adult relationship and marriages. His degree is in sociology. He certainly wasn't the world's leading expert on pedophilia in society.
 
Mercifully, this poll sampled only Pennsylvanians. I imagine Spanier's numbers would be even more dismal if it was a nationwide poll.

Poll finds disapproval of PSU's handling of scandal

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20120826_Poll_finds_disapproval_of_PSU_s_handling_of_scandal.html

And though Saturday's polling data were collected even as that media campaign played out, the poll suggests respondents were not at all impressed. Only 10 percent said they approved of Spanier's handling of the crisis, as opposed to the 77 percent who thought he had bungled the job.
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Sentencing day for Sandusky is October 9th. Less than a week away.
 
I'm going to question if Spanier had any training in the subject of child abuse. Most of his writing was on adult relationship and marriages. His degree is in sociology. He certainly wasn't the world's leading expert on pedophilia in society.[/QUOTE]

He was a Professor of Human Development and Family Studies, a founding editor of the Journal of Family Issues, and a marriage and family therapist...he should have at least known that child sexual abuse is very damaging to children, is a crime, and needs to be reported. I only have a Master's, and I know these things.
 
Ex-Penn State president charged in Sandusky case

Charges include perjury, conspiracy, endangering welfare of children

Published On: Nov 01 2012 11:48:09 AM EDT Updated On: Nov 01 2012 12:40:55 PM EDT

Tim Shaffer/Reuters
(CNN) -
Former Penn State President Graham Spanier has been charged with several counts in the Jerry Sandusky child rape scandal at the university, including obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy, endangering the welfare of children and failure to report allegations of child abuse.

Additional charges also were filed Thursday against two other former university officials -– former Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley and ex-Vice President Gary Schultz. The three men now face the same five charges...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ase/-/1719418/17226012/-/116ve5v/-/index.html
 
Does anyone have a link to the new Grand Jury report, which was apparently published along with the new charges?
I found a document listing the charges, which also listed the name of Spanier's arresting officer (!), but couldn't access more than the first page. It sounds interesting- here's a quote:
Spanier hounded Baldwin for updates on the case, she told the grand jury. He wanted her to find out what Paterno might be telling investigators. And, she testified, Spanier made it clear in his discussions with her that he knew about the 1998 allegations well before 2011, contrary to what he told the grand jury.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/11/graham_spanier_charged_jerry_s.html
 
Just read that Spanier in his sabbatical is being paid $700,000 a year which ends Nov. 9. After that per his employment agreement he is to be paid $600,000.

A lot of motivation to obstruct justice!
 
From the same article JJ posted above by Mike Dawson of the Center Daily Spanier, Curley and Schultz "told Baldwin the had NO records relevant to the grand jury subpoena".

Thank you JJ for the posting the link - a must read for all WSer's who have been following the Sandusky case.

According to the presentment, Spanier, Curley and Schultz relayed to Baldwin that they had no records relevant to the grand jury subpoena.

Following is the quote from the article.

“She was specifically assured that they had searched through their emails and physical documents for any Sandusky-related materials,” the presentment reads. “In addition, Athletic Director Curley informed Baldwin that the Athletic Department did not possess any applicable responsive materials.”

But, the investigation revealed that Schultz had a secret file in his Penn State office with notes and other documents about the 1998 and 2001 incidents involving Sandusky.

The administrative assistant for Schultz, Kimberly Belcher, who took the file to Schultz’s house when her boss was arrested. Schultz’s previous assistant, Joan Coble, told the grand jury she was told to never look in the Sandusky file he kept in his bookcase file drawer.

To read further the link is below.

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/11/01/3388709/charges-expected-today-for-former.html#storylink=cpy
 
Yes, it is damning for Spanier. Spanier now says Corbett is out to get him. That is hard, since Corbett is no longer the AG.
 
These guys need to let go the nonsense and own it.
 
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