Found Deceased France - Émile S., 2, outside grandparent’s house, Le Vernet, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, 8 July 2023

[renarde]

In an interview with Famille Chrétienne, the little boy's grandfather denounces in particular the harsh label that has been attributed to him.

"I come across as a dominator who terrorizes everyone. This is all false, but I don't care," he said.

In a first interview with Famille Chrétienne last August, little Émile's parents, Marie and Colomban, had already denounced "untruths" surrounding the investigation into the disappearance of their son. They had notably mentioned false details (...) which hurt [them] coming from "malicious testimonies" showing "crass ignorance."

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Despite the support of those around them, Émile's grandparents explain that the situation remains difficult for them. “Marie sometimes asks us how to detect the first signs of depression,” confides the little boy’s grandmother. “We are all tense,” she continues.

"Tout cela est faux": le grand-père d'Émile conteste l'image donnée à la famille

Le grand-père du petit garçon porté disparu depuis maintenant près de trois mois, dément l'image d'homme sévère qui lui a été donnée depuis le début de l'enquête. Les grands-parents du petit garçon se réjouissent de bénéficier du soutien de leurs proches.

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[renarde]

"It was thanks to a leader of a group of Marseille supporters that the family was able to obtain their ticket for the event organized this Saturday in Marseille."

Émile's family will attend the mass celebrated by Pope Francis at the Vélodrome stadium in Marseille. In an interview with Famille Chrétienne, Émile's grandparents, Anne and Philippe Vedovini say they are delighted to attend a "huge event." “Marseille has been waiting for the pope for more than 400 years!”, adds Émile’s grandfather.

It is through an unexpected connection that the family of the missing young boy will be able to attend the papal mass scheduled for this Saturday at the Vélodrome. In their interview given to the Catholic newspaper, Émile's grandparents confide that they are close to a leader of Marseille supporters: Rachid Zeroual. “It’s funny but everything went through this man of Muslim faith,” laughs Philippe Vedovini.

A friendship that goes back to Haut Vernet where the vice-president of the South Winners used to spend holidays in his wife's family home.

"We didn't want to embarrass him by talking about the pope's mass and our proximity. But Rachid protested: 'I'm your friend, you have to do it! I've supported you from the start!'" defends Émile's grandmother.

According to the couple, the Olympian supporter also participated in the search for Émile before offering them the opportunity to attend this mass.

Disparition d'Émile: la famille du petit garçon présente à la messe célébrée par le pape au Vélodrome

C'est grâce à un dirigeant d'un groupe de supporters marseillais que la famille a pu obtenir son sésame pour l'évènement organisé ce samedi à Marseille.

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[LaborDayRN]

It was a pond near the village's pool, in Le Vernet, just a few kilometers away from Haut Vernet.

Picture and map here:

Disparition d'Émile : de nouvelles fouilles menées dans un plan d'eau proche du Haut-Vernet

Une équipe de plongeurs de la gendarmerie a été mobilisée pour sonder un étang, à quelques centaines de mètres du village où a disparu le garçon. Ces recherches n'ont rien donné.

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Sadly, it's too late for a search of this type. When someone drowns, the body will sink but eventually come up to the surface of the water within a 2-3 days.
Unless of course the body is weighted down which could be the case here. IMO

 

[LadyL]

We had a missing 3 year-old in our province who was seen running off into the forest and just vanished. The searchers looked for hours. They were searching down hills, as it’s believed that’s what 3 year-olds would choose, but the mother was insisting that the girl would choose to climb.

So one searcher with a dog listened to her and starting climbing hills through heavy brush with his dog and ultimately the dog alerted to a scent. They found her safe up an embankment.

I’m wondering if Émile did something that seemed impossible to the searchers?

well that just made cry and good info about how the dogs work

 

[UK Girl]

Sadly, it's too late for a search of this type. When someone drowns, the body will sink but eventually come up to the surface of the water within a 2-3 days.
Unless of course the body is weighted down which could be the case here. IMO

wouldnt that depend what type of water the body was in? In a river it can be a lot longer than 2-3 days for example

 

[LaborDayRN]

wouldnt that depend what type of water the body was in? In a river it can be a lot longer than 2-3 days for example

True. I was just responding to a post about a "pond" being searched.

 

[heatherc]

Where is Émile Soleil?

 

[Moonstrawbs]

I think of little Émile often, just WHERE is he?

 

[Laura456]

I know there are no mountain lions, but are there any other animals who could have attacked the little boy and carried him away with no trace?

I just don't want to think that it could be a human in this community who harmed him.

 

[Hexe]

I know there are no mountain lions, but are there any other animals who could have attacked the little boy and carried him away with no trace?

No. There are none.

 

[Megsc]

Disparition d'Émile, 2 ans et demi : "Sans végétation, le terrain apparaît sous un autre jour...", vers de nouvelles fouilles pour retrouver le corps du petit garçon cet hiver ?

" Disappearance of Émile, 2 and a half years old: "Without vegetation, the land appears in another light...", towards new excavations to find the body of the little boy this winter?

For François Daoust, the former director of the Criminal Research Institute of the National Gendarmerie, there is no doubt that new excavations around Vernet will take place in the coming months.

But François Daoust indicated this Monday, October 9, that the arrival of winter could be an excellent thing for the investigation: "Without vegetation, the terrain appears in another light, and it is quite common for us to find body at this time,” he told 20 Minutes. "

 

[marv hucker]

I really like the big picture of Haut Vernet at the beginning of this article. Too big a file to upload I think. I saved it but I can't even open it outside my browser. But viewing the saved file in the browser, the resolution is great.

Disparition du petit Emile : après deux mois d'enquête, un fait divers qui tourne à l'énigme judiciaire

Malgré de très importants moyens déployés depuis début juillet, le sort du jeune garçon demeure mystérieux et plusieurs pistes restent envisagées.

www.francetvinfo.fr

I firmly believe this discussion, and possibly the search itself, has focussed too closely on the immediate (ie ~200m radius) of the village.
Which seems like an assumption that needs to be revised.

When you look at a satellite view on google maps, once you get outside that immediate vicinity of the village, it’s trees and little creeks and tracks and gullies everywhere. Forest being notoriously difficult to locate a person in.

He must have gotten further sooner than the searchers expected, and just been outside the search radius. 800m away is the main road (highway?), 2km and he’s in the next town over. Many/most 2.5 year olds would be able to walk 2km at a stretch, some significantly further.

the search simply has to keep expanding. If he’s not in a 500m radius, search to a radius of 1km. Then 2km. Then 3km. No use wringing hands over it.

 

[musicaljoke]

I firmly believe this discussion, and possibly the search itself, has focussed too closely on the immediate (ie ~200m radius) of the village.
Which seems like an assumption that needs to be revised.

When you look at a satellite view on google maps, once you get outside that immediate vicinity of the village, it’s trees and little creeks and tracks and gullies everywhere. Forest being notoriously difficult to locate a person in.

He must have gotten further sooner than the searchers expected, and just been outside the search radius. 800m away is the main road (highway?), 2km and he’s in the next town over. Many/most 2.5 year olds would be able to walk 2km at a stretch, some significantly further.

the search simply has to keep expanding. If he’s not in a 500m radius, search to a radius of 1km. Then 2km. Then 3km. No use wringing hands over it.

I completely agree, and I also believe that they will eventually find this wee lad way out in the meadow somewhere.

 

[FromGermany1]

I completely agree, and I also believe that they will eventually find this wee lad way out in the meadow somewhere.

If so, I am distrustful as always and I will think, somebody put him there, when the big search had ended.

 

[renarde]

Something new.

New investigations took place this Tuesday, October 17, more than three months after the disappearance of little Émile in Haut-Vernet in the Alpes-de-Haute-Provence:

Disparition d'Émile: une nouvelle perquisition menée, le petit garçon reste introuvable

De nouvelles investigations se sont déroulées ce mardi 17 octobre, plus de trois mois après la disparition du petit Émile au Haut-Vernet dans les Alpes-de-Haute-Provence.

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[SouthAussie]

Something new:

Disparition d'Émile: une nouvelle perquisition menée, le petit garçon reste introuvable

De nouvelles investigations se sont déroulées ce mardi 17 octobre, plus de trois mois après la disparition du petit Émile au Haut-Vernet dans les Alpes-de-Haute-Provence.

www.bfmtv.com

So they do have POIs. Not that this person is necessarily "the one" but at least we know they have people that they are looking at very closely.


"Since July 8, this family has interested the investigators of the Marseille research section, especially since the young man's first cousin is one of the only two witnesses to have seen Émile for the last time in the hamlet of Haut -Vernet on the day of his disappearance . "

 

[FromGermany1]

That seems to be the right direction of investigation now, I believe.

Didn't we hear rather early of a teenager, who was always driving with speed through the village? Or is that another one, living in Vernet?

 

[UK Girl]

They have been searching the 16 year olds house again today

Disparition d'Émile: deuxième jour de perquisition au même domicile, le petit garçon toujours introuvable

Le domicile en question est celui d'un jeune homme de 16 ans, originaire du Vernet. Les investigations n'ont rien donné.

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[renarde]

"The home searched would be the property of a family of farmers who own land near Haut-Vernet. At the beginning of July, when Emile disappeared, it was harvest time and agricultural machinery was in circulation. One of the members of this family, known to the courts for minor offenses and suspected in the early stages of the investigations, would still be of interest to investigators both for his psychological profile and his possible presence on the scene on July 8."

Disparition du petit Émile : une maison du Vernet perquisitionnée

INFO LE PARISIEN. Une perquisition a été menée ce mardi par les gendarmes au domicile d’un habitant du village voisin où l’enfant a mystérie

www.leparisien.fr

 

[dotr]

émile s., 2 missing - Google Search