France - Air France Plane from Rio to Paris Goes Missing Over Atlantic, 1 June 2009

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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/09/Brazil-jet-crash-body-count-reaches-41/UPI-97811244552384/

Brazil jet crash body count reaches 41

Debris not from doomed jetliner
RIO DE JANEIRO, June 9 (UPI) -- Seventeen more bodies were recovered Tuesday among the debris of an Air France Airbus A330 that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean northeast of Brazil last week.

The total number of bodies recovered by a Brazilian recovery team stands at at least 41, leaving 187 still missing from the June 1 air disaster, The Sun reported Tuesday.

 

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http://www.independent.ie/national-news/emotional-service-for-victims-of-brazil--air-crash-1767733.html

Up to 1,000 mourners prayed last night at an emotional memorial service for the recovery of the remains of three Irish doctors who died when the plane they were travelling on crashed into the Atlantic Ocean last week.

 

[scandi]

Since the largest piece of the aircraft to be recovered so far is the vertical stabilizer, my guess would be that these passengers were in the rear cabin. Could it be they are being dislodged from the remnants of the aircraft as the searchers try to recover the pieces? MOO

It was a thought I had too Panthera.

 

[Paintr]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525642,00.html

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on board the Air France flight that crashed in the Atlantic Ocean, killing all 228 on board, it has emerged.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31.

 

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http://finchannel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39801&Itemid=13

An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week, killing all 228 on board, has died in a car accident, Italy's ANSA news agency reported.

Guess it was really her time to go.

 

[lizzybeth]

http://finchannel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39801&Itemid=13

An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week, killing all 228 on board, has died in a car accident, Italy's ANSA news agency reported.

Guess it was really her time to go.

My cousin always tells me that when it's your time it doesn't matter where you are. After 9/11 I used to worry about traveling through all the tunnels we have in the area. She always told me the same thing...when it's your time... I guess she was right.

 

[AmandaBrown23]

My cousin always tells me that when it's your time it doesn't matter where you are. After 9/11 I used to worry about traveling through all the tunnels we have in the area. She always told me the same thing...when it's your time... I guess she was right.

Reminds me of Final Destination that movie where the kids were supposed to die in a plane crash and one saves everyone then later they all start dying in different accidents. I guess if it is your time to go it really does happen I just dont like it lol.

 

[MomofBoys]

I remember an episode of CSI where Nick was helping to look for Sara after she was abducted by the Miniature Crime Scene Killer, and he flashed back to an episode where she was telling him he had been rescued because it was not his time to die. "When it's your day, it's your day." That was kind of creepy and resonant knowing where Sara was at the time, but I really believe that. I'm not a very religious person, but it's these kind of stories that make me believe in a higher power.

Still, sad to know she had missed the flight, probably spent the week counting and recounting her blessings, only to die. I wonder if there was one last thing she had to do.

 

[jilly]

I am so bothered by this crash. The last few moments of that flight were the most unimaginable terror, a true nightmare. I really hope they find the black boxes and FDR so that this does not happen again.

The Airbus 330 is a safe aircraft and 12 other flights flew through the exact area earlier in the day and reported no problems. for this flight to go down it had to be a sequence of things, not just one.

I am flying to England from PHL on a 767 in July. I am really nervous and I hate flying as it is so this crash puts me on edge. I am going to have to take a Xanax to get me through the flight.

Fwiw - give me a 747 or 767 any day. I've been told they're the best of them. I wouldn't worry if I was you!
Someone was telling me that a 747 can safely land with one out of 4 engines.

 

[ziggy]

Yep, I've always felt much safer in a Boeing.

Please don't go post some statistics and burst my bubble you sleuther-heads!

 

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/201547

Terror Connection Unlikely In Crash
Despite recent unsourced reports, investigators downplay possibility of terrorism in the crash of Air France Flight 447.

 

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98NVVS80

A French nuclear submarine reached the crash zone of Air France Flight 447 on Wednesday to join the search for the plane's black boxes, which may be the key to determining what brought the Airbus down in the sea off Brazil with 228 people on board.

The attack sub Emeraude plans to trawl 13 square miles (35 square kilometers) a day, using sonar to try to pick up the boxes' acoustic beacons or "pingers," French armed forces spokesman Christophe Prazuck said Wednesday.

 

[SeekingJana]

Cut from a long article here:http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...wo_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_Muslims

"Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil.
It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic.
A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant".
Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections.
There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously".
France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan."

It will all be revealed in time. I don't care who blames the crash on the pilot, the weather or some Pitot tubes. The tubes and the weather are cover stories because there were other passenger jet flights the same night through the same storm which didn't crash.
There are also no crashes of the Airbus 330 attributable to Pitot tube malfunctions.

It is looking more and more like the reluctant French are slowly edging the world into the truth-There were known terrorists on board the flight, and the plane exploded in mid-air.

Sadly
Maria

 

[panthera]

'Black box' could hold answer to plane crash mystery


CNN) -- The "black box" is actually an orange cylinder -- about 13 pounds of metal wrapped around a stack of memory chips and designed to withstand the force of being slammed high-speed into a brick wall.

Recovery efforts have found several items confirmed to have come from Air France Flight 447.

One such device -- possibly sitting more than two miles below the surface of the Atlantic Ocean -- is the object of a massive international search and could hold the answer to why Air France Flight 447 mysteriously plunged into the sea off the coast of Brazil last week with 228 people on board.




http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/10/plane.crash.black.box/index.html#cnnSTCText

 

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aHpmstG1g14A

June 11 (Bloomberg) -- Marc Dubois, the 58-year-old captain of the Air France flight that crashed in the Atlantic Ocean, may have been let down by an airplane part that weighs about a pound.

The plane’s three sensors, known as Pitot tubes, that measure airspeed may have malfunctioned when Dubois and two co- pilots were four hours into Flight 447, according to pilot union officials who examined the data. Air France pilots have reported mid-flight failures of one or two of the tubes before, and all three showing differing data could trigger a chain of events that break down systems meant to make air travel safer, pilots said.

 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/world/americas/11plane.html?_r=1&ref=world

WASHINGTON — Two pieces of evidence have emerged that lend new credence to the theory that the Air France jet that crashed more than a week ago broke up in flight.





Air France Flight 447The Brazilian Air Force released information on Tuesday night showing that bodies from Flight 447 had been recovered from locations that were more than 50 miles apart. And Airbus, the plane’s manufacturer, sent its airline customers a bulletin saying a re-analysis of the stricken plane’s last automatic transmissions reinforced the idea that many parts malfunctioned, but that the parts that measure air speed may have failed first.

 

[Trino]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/10/plane.crash.black.box/index.html

The wreckage is believed to be about 15,000 feet deep, amid underwater mountains and mixed in with tons of sea trash. Retrieving anything may be a real challenge.

Meanwhile, the US and France have all but ruled out terrorism. Sources told ABC News that no Islamic extremists were aboard flight 447. A former senior White House official said "no names on the manifest triggered any U.S. intelligence persons of interest."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7810385&page=1

 

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98OEPDG0

Air France received replacement airspeed sensors for its Airbus 330s three days before the fatal crash of Flight 447, but the airline's chief executive said Thursday that he is not convinced faulty monitors were the cause.

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Brazilian teams warned they might end the hunt for floating bodies and wreckage next week. They found no bodies Wednesday, the first unsuccessful search day since Saturday, despite widening the search into the waters off the West African nation of Senegal.

 

[Trino]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98OEPDG0

Air France received replacement airspeed sensors for its Airbus 330s three days before the fatal crash of Flight 447, but the airline's chief executive said Thursday that he is not convinced faulty monitors were the cause.....

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I would guess the CEO would want anything to be the cause other than the monitors, which is going to cost AF big time if that's the cause.

 

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8096018.stm

Relatives of a victim of the Air France crash have joined a manslaughter investigation as a plaintiff, in an effort to access files on the case.

A lawyer for the family said that some of the relatives thought information was being withheld.

The Paris prosecutor's office launched the investigation last week - a step automatically taken after the death of French citizens overseas.