France - Mother & four children slain, buried in Nantes garden, 5 April 2011

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Affaire Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès. Les Écossais ont affirmé « à 4 reprises » que c’était bien XDDL | Presse Océan

Affaire Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès. The Scots affirmed "4 times" that it was XDDL


The embroilment over the arrest of a man confused with Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès continues. While the Scottish police stated on Monday 14 October that they "never confirmed" that it was the father of a family from Nantes, a close source of the investigation told AFP that they did so "four times" on the evening of Friday 11 October.

On the evening of Friday 11 October, the Scottish police told their French counterparts and the "liaison magistrate" on "four occasions" that they had arrested Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès in Glasgow. In any case, that is what a source close to the investigation at the AFP assured on Monday, October 14, denying the Scots.

Indeed, on the same day, in a statement, the Scottish police stated that they had "never confirmed, either in public or in private" that the man arrested at Glasgow airport was Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, wanted for eight years for the murder of his wife and children in Nantes. In reality, he was a retired person living in the Paris region.

For their part, the French police have never officially communicated about this arrest. "On four occasions, orally, the Scottish police told us they had identified", the man arrested as Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, said the French source. The latter was one of those who confirmed, on Friday evening, to the press agency the arrest of the Nantes family man on the basis, according to her, of the Scottish report.

The same source also explained that in both Scotland and France, it takes "12 points of convergence" to confirm an identification specifying that it was "an international standard." According to AFP, the "liaison magistrate" in the United Kingdom had been informed "by the Scottish police."
"On several occasions, we have asked in vain for the results of the fingerprint comparison to be sent to us," recalls the source. It was only after 12:30 a.m. that the Scottish police sent us an official letter to deny the identification.

BBM




Confusing ... :eek:
 
Affaire Dupont de Ligonnès: polices française et écossaise se renvoient la responsabilité


How could a man unknown to the police be mistaken for Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, suspected of having killed his family in 2011 in Nantes? Since Saturday, the Scottish and French police have been passing the buck.

How could a man, living in Limay in the Yvelines, be arrested in Glasgow, placed in detention and taken for Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, suspected of having killed his wife and four children in 2011 in Nantes? This is the issue that has been causing tension between the French and Scottish authorities since Saturday. Police in both countries are blaming each other for this error.

On Friday of the same day, information from the Scottish authorities reached the French authorities: Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès is preparing to take a plane from Roissy-Charles de Gaulle airport to Glasgow. Arriving too late, the French police officers asked their counterparts in Scotland to arrest him. They perform and carry out the first digital comparisons.

The answer arrives and is confirmed four times by the Scottish police, according to a source close to the investigation to BFMTV. Between 7pm and 7.30pm, by text message or telephone, the French police officers, in this case the BNRF, the Brigade nationale de recherche des fugitives, are alerted by their counterparts that the prints "match". It is Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès. It is too late for the French police to go to Scotland, and investigations will be conducted in France. The man's home, located in Limay in the Yvelines, was searched.

The French police officers ask their Scottish colleagues to send them the fingerprints of the man arrested in order to compare them with the equipment found during the searches of his accommodation. In vain. At this time, however, French investigators already have serious doubts about the identity of the man arrested in Glasgow. The searches, the neighborhood inquiry in Limay, or the requests made to the Tax Department... Not a single evidence matches between this man and the father of a family wanted since 2011.

Doubts are mounting, police officers are reviewing the video surveillance footage from Roissy Airport until late. The man reported does not look anything like Dupont de Ligonnès. It's 8:30 p. m., information starts to flow. The Central Directorate of the Judicial Police, responsible for the National Brigade for the Search for Fugitives, urges the Nantes Judicial Police to call on the prosecutor to take the floor. He is then the only one authorized to give information on the proceedings in progress "in order to avoid the propagation of fragmented or inaccurate information or to put an end to a disturbance of public order", according to article 11 of the Criminal Code.

It is 12:20 a.m. when the prosecutor of Nantes, Pierre Sennès, takes the floor. In a brief statement, the prosecutor's representative called for "caution" and announced that checks would be carried out in Scotland by French police officers "to ensure that it was indeed Mr Dupont de Ligonnès". Except that, according to a source close to the investigation, on Friday at 11 p.m., the Scots are retracting their information. An Interpol message is sent: Scottish police indicate that the DNA of the man who has just been arrested does not match the DNA of the man in the "Red Notice".

Indeed, when an international arrest warrant is issued, "Red Notices", alert messages, with all the information the authorities have on the fugitive, are sent by Interpol. But the Scots still have a doubt: they could only compare nine out of ten prints, the man who had just been arrested having one finger missing, the right index finger. But in the analyses, the left index is used as a reference. On the night of Friday to Saturday, the confirmation was received: the man in detention was not Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, there were almost no common characteristics between the two men. The man arrested in Glasgow was released late Saturday afternoon.

On Monday evening, the Scottish police commented on the case: they claimed that they had "never confirmed, either in public or in private, that the man arrested at Glasgow Airport was Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès "because it was never known for certain."


BBM


So, the Scottish police informs the French that XDdL is travelling from Roissy in France to Scotland, they arrest him on arrival. Next, they never confirm that the man arrested actually is XDdL, that is why the French believe the Scots confirmed this four times, all while the French, after a blitz investigation at his home, did not believe it was him.

Runour has it that during WWII, the British misled the Germans by having the English officials speak to one another on the phone in French. The Germans lost the war.

:cool: :cool: :cool:
 
Has anyone come across the blog the family/sister? I came across this via the Netflix documentary but I’ve started to do a little research of my own and found their comments Interesting
Are they just not able to accept he could do this or could their be some truth to their concerns? Interested to know what others think?
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès
 
I watched the Unsolved Mysteries episode about this case and then read the Wikipedia entry.

It's clear to me that this was a family annihilation perpetrated by the father.

My suspicion is that he got into Italy on foot and then left for points unknown. From Wikipedia: "Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès created Netsurf Concept LLC, a company that was recorded on the commercial register in Florida, United States. His advisor was Gérard Corona, a French immigrant and manager of the company Strategy Netcom, which was founded in 1998. Corona specialises in assisting foreigners with administrative and legal procedures in the United States. He also helps his clients to open foreign bank accounts and to obtain anonymous bank cards allowing them to withdraw money anywhere in the world without leaving a trace. It has been theorised that Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès could have used these services in order to disappear"
 
It's clear to me that this was a family annihilation perpetrated by the father.

Agreed. I don’t think there is a lot of mystery here, to be honest. Domestic violence perpetrators can be very manipulative. They know how to silence their victims and how to charm other people. I think the evidence is pretty clear he planned this in advance. Maybe his intention was to start a new life, but whether he was successful or if he succumbed to suicide or the elements I’m not sure. It’s a bit harder to change your identity in these times, I would think, but not impossible.
 
Whilst doing a little digging about for one of the other episodes yesterday, I came across these google drive case files that have been posted up by Unsolved Mysteries. It has several exclusive pieces of content as well as several pieces of evidence shown in the episode about the case: look for Missing Witness in the folders -

‪Unsolved Mysteries | Case Files‬‏ - Google Drive

I quote this because in the same UM case files they have also added files for this case for episode 3 under House of Terror. Some very interesting unshown clips available.
 
Last summer the French biweekly magazine Society published a two-part article about the XDDL case after 4 years of research. I managed to get my hands on a copy and it was a very interesting read, so I thought I’d share the information with you.

You can see the magazine covers here:
Society #136
Society #137


INTRODUCTION
On 21 April 2011, police were looking for XDDL’s car, a Citroën C5, in Roquebrune-sur-Argens (in the Var department). They had received information he had withdrawn €30 from an ATM there on 15 April. There had been no trace of him since. Their colleagues in Nantes had discovered the bodies of XDDL’s wife, 4 children and two dogs at their house that morning, and the police had started a manhunt for XDDL, the murder suspect.
At 10.30pm, police found XDDL’s car, parked near a Formule 1 hotel. The engine was cold. They checked the hotel - XDDL had spent the night of the 14th there. He had left the car park on foot, a bag over his shoulder, at 4.10pm on the 15th. They realised XDDL had a six-day head start and finding him would be very difficult...

The victims
Agnès, born 1962, maiden name Hodanger.
Arthur, Agnès’ son by another man, adopted by Xavier, born 1990.
Thomas, born 1992.
Anne, born 1994.
Benoît, born 1997.

The suspect
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès (XDDL), born 1961; official title: comte de Ligonnès; he preferred to be called “Xavier Ligonnès”, nickname “Xav”.

Evidence in the house
The house had been thoroughly cleaned, the beds had been stripped, and a lot of their stuff had been removed. The police found a few specks of blood on the legs of the kitchen table and chairs and Bluestar showed there had been blood on the floor. Apart from a few brownish stains on a mattress and a bullet casing under a bed, there were no traces of what had happened. There was no sign of the murder weapon or the suspect.

Discovery of the bodies
The police had been at the house a few times before the 21st (after neighbours had called them because they were worried about the family) but that morning, police officers were intrigued by junk under the terrace; in particular, a dog bowl that seemed out of place. They started digging and discovered a human leg (very much still attached to the rest of the body!), so they continued to dig and found the bodies of 5 people and two dogs.
They had been buried under layers of soil, cement, wallpaper, lime, pebbles, and a plastic sheet. Each body had been wrapped in black bin bags, a duvet or a blanket, hands or arms crossed, and a religious symbol had been carefully placed with each body.
Police also found a candle, a lighter and a small bottle of alcohol, as though a funeral service had been held there.

Cause of death
The family had been killed in their sleep. They had been shot at point-blank range with a .22 long rifle.
Agnès, Anne and Arthur had been shot in the head twice, Thomas twice in the head and once in the chest, and Benoît three times in the head and twice in the chest.
Traces of lormetazepam (a benzodiazepine) were found in the children’s blood and liver; Agnès showed traces of citalopram (an antidepressant).

To be continued...
 
This is an interesting case! The wikipedia article has some interesting hints that doubt the correct identification of the victims and cast doubt how one man with a bad back could have dug the hole in the backyard where the victims were found. And the usual incompetence of French LE of course feeds some conspiracy theories here.
 
This is an interesting case! The wikipedia article has some interesting hints that doubt the correct identification of the victims and cast doubt how one man with a bad back could have dug the hole in the backyard where the victims were found. And the usual incompetence of French LE of course feeds some conspiracy theories here.

Hi there!

Do you have a MSM source for the usual incompetence of French LE ?
 
MSM source? lol

I suggest reading up on the Gregory Villemin ("The Crow") case (also on Netflix) and the Christian Ranucci case as starting point for classic French (c)old cases. What do all of these have in common?
 
De Ligonnès : « Une telle volonté criminelle forcément est fascinante »

De Ligonnès : "Such criminal intent is inevitably fascinating

Xavier Ronsin, prosecutor in Nantes at the time of the Dupont de Ligonnès family's fivefold assassination in 2011, explains how he experienced this exceptional case and deciphers what is striking and fascinating about it.

Do you remember the moment when you felt that you were about to embark on an extraordinary case?

The key event in my memory occurred in the few minutes before a press conference that I was to hold at the court in Nantes to launch an appeal for witnesses about what was until then a disappearance that was more mysterious than worrying. A police commissioner in my office received a phone call announcing the discovery of the first body in the family's garden. This announcement totally changed the perspective and content of the press conference and of course I immediately took into account this sudden shift in the investigation.

For you, what was the highlight of the case in 2011?


Apart from the shift in the investigation that I have just mentioned, the strongest moments in my memory relate to my own trip with the investigators to the Dupont de Ligonnès house which, by chance, was very close to my own home. Then, of course, the autopsies of the bodies of these children and their mother. And finally, the daily management, hour by hour, of the media outpouring with each revelation or leak on the progress of the investigation or of pseudo discoveries of the suspect in the most unlikely places.

What makes this case exceptional?

Every case, especially if it is of a criminal nature, is exceptional or singular and I am always wary of media superlatives, because the duty of investigators and magistrates is to treat all judicial cases, including the most banal, with the same seriousness (...) But I agree that a fivefold assassination of such a classic and well-established family, the ten-year hunt for a suspect, the immense media interest that these deaths and this investigation have aroused, the thousands of testimonies, serious or far-fetched, collected, the mystery of what happened to this man, all of this is indeed exceptional in nature.

What explains the fascination the case has aroused for a decade now?


As soon as a criminal case is not completely solved at the judicial level, either by the arrest of the perpetrator or by the discovery of his body, the mystery fascinates (...) When the murderer is outside the family, paradoxically I think that the horror of the feeling is less than if "the evil" is provoked from inside the family cocoon, considered by all as being the most protective in the world in all societies, notably with regard to children.

Among the most serious hypotheses to explain these assassinations is their planned, premeditated character, including traps set for children, tricks, the extraordinary accumulation of lies before and after... such a density of criminal intent is necessarily striking and fascinating.

Was the media pressure important, did it complicate the investigation?

I can confirm that the media pressure was intense but that it did not paralyse the investigations. All the media, television, radio, written press and internet, reported at the beginning, sometimes in a loop, verified information and the craziest rumours, in an exacerbated competition. At the time, I made the deliberate choice to communicate by e-mail every day to all the journalists who wished to receive the full range of answers to the various questions that were addressed to me, instead of favouring this or that person or secretly confirming this or that fact 'from an authorised source' with a privileged contact. I noticed that this practice had eased the competition and the race to 'leak' or to find a miracle witness, since I shared everything with everyone with the prior agreement of the investigating judge.

BBM
 
Everything led to believe that it was a “cold case”, these never-resolved cases which fascinate like the famous Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès case. Unlike the Nantes suspect, the story told by our Swiss colleagues from 20 Minutes does not include any victims.

To go back to the beginning of this affair, we have to go back to the year 2004. That year, when O-Zone’s hit, Dragostea Din Tei, was playing at full speed in nightclubs around the world, the disappearance of a German is reported by his wife.

A disturbing disappearance​

After moving to Spain where the couple had started a car business, the 56-year-old man claims a business trip to Munich. He will never return to Spain, and will not give any more signs of life.

An investigation is then opened, and his trace is found in Constance, on the Swiss border. The police find clues that suggest that the man committed suicide, or that he was the victim of a violent crime. For them, of course, the man is dead: case closed.
 
Was the mistress’ whereabouts ever determined? Did she come out of hiding sometime in the last 13 years? And what about that other woman that they talked about who was missing?
 

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