GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 3

[Rhyolite]

I believe a she could be involved. Especially if there are 2-3 killers. A she could have been used to gain SD's trust.
Gain entrance to the home, play on her sympathy.

I have a perp in mind or a profile of who I believe perp to be now that I am certain this was not the mob, mafia cartel or paid "hit".
moo





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yes???? Please tell us more??:drumroll:

 

[JLSChook]

There is nothing accidental or random to this at all. It has all the markings of a mob or possibly drug cartel hit .

I totally disagree. Usually the mob or cartel would leave both bodies or take both bodies with them to hide/dump/bury.

By the way, I just realized that a conversation between your avatar and mine would be quite interesting

 

[MotherOcean]

I believe a she could be involved. Especially if there are 2-3 killers. A she could have been used to gain SD's trust.
Gain entrance to the home, play on her sympathy.

I have a perp in mind or a profile of who I believe perp to be now that I am certain this was not the mob, mafia cartel or paid "hit".
moo



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I haven't given the possibility of a she being involved much thought but it absolutely is very possible. A woman could have been used to distract Mrs. D. To keep her isolated while Mr. D. was murdered. I also read somewhere at some point that women are more likely to dispose of murder victims in water while men are more likely to bury the dead. Probably irrelevant here but who knows? I tend to think that if a woman were involved then it is more likely a crime motivated by a financial gain. A con artist couple. But, women have been known to help men to abduct children and other women for more perverted reasons.

 

[DocBrew]

A mob hit isn't going to decapitate, and the bodies aren't typically going to be found if an attempt to conceal is made. A thrill killing would typically not attempt to conceal the deed at all. A robbery/homicide would include a robbery. This was planned, but clearly not well and not all the way through, IMO. Seems like lots of improvisation after the deed was done. This was personal, and with a lot of pent up hatred, IMO. Probably years and years of resentment. Only a few types of folks who fit that bill, and they're all generally very, very close to the victim.

JMO.

 

[Canaille]

This seems personal and with much pent up hatred. Since nothing was taken, I'd be probing for potentially disgruntled family members perhaps looking for an early inheritance. That's really about the only scenario I can come up with that isn't a random thrill killing, which is pretty far fetched, IMO.

JMO.

I would also love to see any wills to see if anyone was disinherited or due to receive a much smaller portion than others. I researched some of my family history and came across a will or estate distribution sheet for a great, great grandparent. The father had left all of the children with equal portions of an inheritance. However, the mother left equal portions to all but one child. That one child had always been rumored to have been adopted.

Sometimes lots of things can be learned from a will.

 

[DocBrew]

I would also love to see any wills to see if anyone was disinherited or due to receive a much smaller portion than others. I researched some of my family history and came across a will or estate distribution sheet for a great, great grandparent. The father had left all of the children with equal portions of an inheritance. However, the mother left equal portions to all but one child. That one child had always been rumored to have been adopted.

Sometimes lots of things can be learned from a will.

I'd also be looking into finances to see if anyone close to the victims was having hardships and being rebuffed in their pleas for assistance.

 

[Treelights]

I wonder if anybody had a previous attachment to 147 Carolyn Drive?
The property was sold to the Dermonds in 1994, so the Dermonds owned it for 20 years.
Could there be someone who associated themselves with this property, and were upset that the Dermonds purchased it 20 years ago? Maybe they grew up in the area, and they are upset that they don't own this property?
I know...could be pretty far fetched, just throwing out ideas....
IMOO.

 

[gngr~snap]

A mob hit isn't going to decapitate, and the bodies aren't typically going to be found if an attempt to conceal is made. A thrill killing would typically not attempt to conceal the deed at all. A robbery/homicide would include a robbery. This was planned, but clearly not well and not all the way through, IMO. Seems like lots of improvisation after the deed was done. This was personal, and with a lot of pent up hatred, IMO. Probably years and years of resentment. Only a few types of folks who fit that bill, and they're all generally very, very close to the victim.

JMO.

I am with you here. Pent up hatred, years of resentment, someone who feels slighted, or cheathed out of something.
Possibly even a long standing fued. Someone inside the community that feels inferior to Mr. D real or imagined.

I'd like to know if Mr. D was a member of any organizations or clubs. Is there
a" Country Club" there? What about Freemasons, Shriners- you know exclusively male members.
Here in Marietta the Marietta County Club was a golfing community and not too long ago women were still not allowed to become "members".
Family was allowed to use the golf course,tennis courts pool etc, but had no voting powers.

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I am not accusing a specific person. I suspect a situation may exsist that only the insiders would know about and might not divulge if asked.

Just brain storming. Moo



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[atthelake]

DID YOU!? WE've rented them in FL but not very comfortable ! haha thought of investing in one though several times

Nothing like cruising "on the pOntooon,..........

but sadly for now, the lake is losing some of it's appeal

Tomkat, being *atthelake* is losing some of it's appeal....say it ain't so :scared:

 

[atthelake]

Do we know if the Dermond's had a boat? I am wondering if they weren't sitting out on the boat dock, or a screened in back porch- enjoying the view/weather.

Boat docks have water run to them, to rinse the motor. A boat and dock are also easy to hose down.

IMHO VERY improbable that they were wearing their pajamas (he at one point iirc was stated in his pj's right?) on the dock *atthelake*. Robes after skinny dipping yes :giggle: but in pj's, highly unlikely.

 

[momrids6]

Do we know if the Dermond's had a boat? I am wondering if they weren't sitting out on the boat dock, or a screened in back porch- enjoying the view/weather.

Boat docks have water run to them, to rinse the motor. A boat and dock are also easy to hose down.

IMHO VERY improbable that they were wearing their pajamas (he at one point iirc was stated in his pj's right?) on the dock *atthelake*. Robes after skinny dipping yes :giggle: but in pj's, highly unlikely.

I see you haven't had the pleasure of hanging out with my 83 yr old Dad

Look at the porches on this house. I could definitely see them having a snack, breakfast, stargazing, etc in their jammies on one of these.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...n/derivatives/article_970/russell-dermond.jpg

 

[shefner]

I am still leaning towards a professional hit.

But it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. I know that surprises everyone....

 

[mck16]

IMHO VERY improbable that they were wearing their pajamas (he at one point iirc was stated in his pj's right?) on the dock *atthelake*. Robes after skinny dipping yes :giggle: but in pj's, highly unlikely.

She was wearing regular everyday clothes when they found her body.

 

[Backwoods]

Just thinking out loud....

Maybe the perp(s) beheaded Mr D while in the boat. Easier to clean the boat out in the middle of a lake and not be caught. Hose off all the debris/remains from the decapitation right into the waters.

Why not just decapitate him on the premises? Maybe because if someone approached the home the perp wouldn't be caught in the action and therefore could claim they just found Mr D.

I too think there will be an arrest in a matter of weeks.

Just picking up on this line of thinking for a moment: I wonder if it could be that, though she was in water, Mrs. D.'s clothing or body still showed evidence of having been in contact with a large amount of blood -- more blood than her own wound/s would have produced?

ETA: Just wanting to clarify what I'm meaning here: That, if the perp/s attempted to get two bodies in a boat and it proved too difficult, yes, he/they might have opted then to decapitate Mr. Dermond right there at the boat, and some of the resulting blood may have gotten onto Mrs. Dermond's body.

 

[Backwoods]

This case hits too close to home- geographically, and because I have a 92 year mother.

I interviewed for a job at RP in 2006 and security was strict when I was allowed in, back when RP was family owned. Had to show DL, was escorted to bldg, pass placed in car with expiration date and time, and had to return pass when leaving.
I have been to that Publix and I hope they have reviewed all the video from it and the surrounding stores. What about the video from the orange big box store nearby?
Could someone have punctured Mr. D's tire there and followed him home to "help" when it went flat? Fixed it for him in RP and followed him to make sure he got home safely?

Sharp objects/ tools for beheading in a garage? How about the garage door track?I have seen the results of fingers grabbing a garage door track at a construction site. Not the brightest ceiling stippler and it was his first day on the job. 911, hospital, finger reattachment,and a call to risk management. I had no idea they could slice like that. I hope somebody has swabbed that track.

Just jumping off your garage door track idea to ask something that's wandered into my mind a couple of times -- probably pretty far out there, though: If you slammed a car hood down onto someone's neck, would it behead them?

 

[momrids6]

She was wearing regular everyday clothes when they found her body.

Since there is conflict on what time this happened, I would say he got ready for bed before her, or she was up, dressed and ready before he was.

 

[atthelake]

Couldn't edit my last post, but wanted to say one other thing.

My point is that they knew the lake, either by living there or fishing it on a regular basis. Otherwise, they would have ended up with a hole in the boat.

All MOO

What was time of moonrise and moonset the night of Fri/Sat? And what phase of the moon?

Moo - On lake Lanier, it's almost like twilight on a clear night if the moon is up and more than 3/4 full. MOO as I have been out many a night overnight on boats on that lake which is just north of Atlanta (Big Water is south of Atlanta)

Agree, they not only knew the lake, but possibly also this spot was on their way to where they were headed to put the boat out or take it out. Would really like to get a lake map with the location of everything, including their house, and the dump site.

 

[Curious-Cat]

She was wearing regular everyday clothes when they found her body.

What are "regular everyday clothes"? I sleep in a t-shirt and when I get up throw on shorts or sweats so if it were me they'd probably say it was in the middle of the day because I was wearing regular clothes but really I'd be in my jammies. :giggle: However I doubt somehow that Mrs. D dresses that way for bed. In my experience the elderly are early risers and get dressed early. It could have been 6:00 in the morning. I'd like to hear specifics as to what she was wearing such as blouse, slacks, hosiery, shoes or sweats, etc.

 

[Treelights]

What are "regular everyday clothes"? I sleep in a t-shirt and when I get up throw on shorts or sweats so if it were me they'd probably say it was in the middle of the day because I was wearing regular clothes but really I'd be in my jammies. :giggle: However I doubt somehow that Mrs. D dresses that way for bed. In my experience the elderly are early risers and get dressed early. It could have been 6:00 in the morning. I'd like to hear specifics as to what she was wearing such as blouse, slacks, hosiery, shoes or sweats, etc.

They were invited to attend a Kentucky Derby Party, but they didn't show.
Would "every day" clothes mean something that Shirley would wear on an average day? Would she have worn those same clothes to a Kentucky Derby party, or would she have dressed up for the party?
(Did Shirley regularly "dress up" for church, or did she wear "every day" clothes to church?)
If Shirley was going to dress up for the Kentucky Derby party that she did not attend, and she was wearing every day clothing, this could perhaps narrow down the time line even more, perhaps??, possibly??
IMOO.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

I wonder if anybody had a previous attachment to 147 Carolyn Drive?
The property was sold to the Dermonds in 1994, so the Dermonds owned it for 20 years.
Could there be someone who associated themselves with this property, and were upset that the Dermonds purchased it 20 years ago? Maybe they grew up in the area, and they are upset that they don't own this property?
I know...could be pretty far fetched, just throwing out ideas....
IMOO.

From what I've read in MSM, they bought that lot/land in 1994 and the house was finished being built in 1999.

This is eally out there, I'll admit....but hasn't it been reported that the house next door at 143 is for sale? Wonder if the owners of 143 ever approached the Dermonds to see if they'd be interested in selling their home so that 143 would have that additional land/lot? Not pointing fingers but a surefire way to ensure increase your odds of getting a crack at a property you might want to own that you otherwise wouldn't be able to, is if homeowners of that coveted home/property next door suffered a gruesome and tragic death and at some point then that house would likely be put up for sale by the immediate family (what family members would want to keep such a home in the family given what took place there?)....and most people looking to buy would "find out" what took place there (plus a listing realtor I'm sure would have a duty to disclose) and not be interested in purchasing.............but neighbor would be all to happy to snap it up. Just saying. Is 143 STILL for sale or HAD IT BEEN recently in the past? If currently for sale then the above wouldn't really make much sense.....unless they decided to move elsewhere where they'd have more land/the ability to own 2 side-by-side lots.