GA - Apalachee High School shooting, 4 dead, 9 injured, Winder, Barrow County - 04 September 2024 *father and son arrested*

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kaen said:
In the new article in the DM, the grandfather stated this:

Speaking to DailyMail.com he said: 'We had her in rehab, and two weeks ago he went up there for a family weekend and took her back up to Winder with the kids.

'She wasn't supposed to be there (in Winder). She was in that house with him and Colt, and we went to get her.

'I made a comment that there were holes in the doors and walls, and she said it was Colt.

'As we left Colt came out of the door and started walking down the steps, so I turned to go back to see him, but he said to me: 'I'll *advertiser censored** you up.'

'My daughter and my wife told me to leave it, and again it just shows the environment that he is in. Marcee said he was just showing off.
Georgia 'shooter' was 'punching walls' weeks earlier, grandfather says

Seems like everyone knew he was out of control AND that the guns were not locked up. Failure all the way around.
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Both Mom and Dad definitely! I don't blame the grandparents at all. The courts and (possibly) LE could have done better. I don't know Georgia laws to know if LE did all they could. Most of all, Colt is responsible, even though, sadly, he was failed at every turn. amoo
 
CNN —
The mother of the teenager suspected of killing four people during a shooting at a Winder, Georgia, high school called to warn a school counselor before the attack, according to the suspect’s aunt and grandfather.

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Updated 7:02 AM EDT, Mon September 9, 2024

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• The four people killed: The shooting at Apalachee High School claimed the lives of two 14-year-old students – Christian Angulo and Mason Schermerhorn, as well as two teachers – 53-year-old math teacher Cristina Irimie and 39-year-old assistant football coach Richard Aspinwall, who also taught math. Authorities say Irimie was celebrating her birthday with her students the day she was shot and killed, according to a family friend.

• Nine injured are expected to make a full recovery: Of the nine other people injured, seven of them – six students and a teacher – were shot, the GBI said Thursday. The other two – both students – suffered other injuries, the GBI said.
 
Gun locks are free at the local police station, and they save lives. Teens, especially can be overwhelmed by emotions, and due to their lack of full brain development, often do things on impulse, without fully processing the consequences of their actions.

news.northeastern.edu

Georgia school shooting reveals importance of preventing kids from accessing guns in the home, Northeastern researcher says

The Georgia high school shooting that claimed four lives highlights the importance of keeping guns locked away from children.
news.northeastern.edu news.northeastern.edu
 
BeginnerSleuther said:
They do, but I don't know what the criteria for the switch is. I will say, when I was in school some 20 years ago, the kids in the alternative school near me were the ones coming out of juvenile hall or those on probation. I only know this because my ex was sent to one after a drug bust and the classmates were all in similar trouble. Can't speak for other alternative schools.

MOO.
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It probably wasn’t random that he picked his first full day of school to do this and went to what might have been his hardest class Algebra. He would have been a 5th grader during the remote learning year. Odds are that he didn’t log in much that year. He was chronically absent for all of middle school. An alternative school might have been a better choice for him. Some kids choose alternative schools because they can have more flexible schedules and smaller classes. They can also do remedial work if needed. Most alternative schools are not just for kids coming out of court or on probation anymore. Most will try to prepare kids for community college or vocational training programs.
 
iridized said:

Body camera footage shows interview of Colt, Colin Gray on 2023 school shooting online threat​


















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I feel like the police were not taking this seriously at all here and even downplayed it, saying something like, the information was incomplete and kind of old. I feel like the police and the Dad were just chatting casually. There was no real investigation here at all--just chatting. IMO
 
MoominMama222 said:
I feel like the police were not taking this seriously at all here and even downplayed it, saying something like, the information was incomplete and kind of old. I feel like the police and the Dad were just chatting casually. There was no real investigation here at all--just chatting. IMO
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I agree 1000%.

I’m very taken aback after watching this.

I mean no offense to our friends here from the South, but this conversation is like a movie version stereotype of “good ole boys” just shootin’ the breeze.

WAY too much talking from the dad, WAY too few questions from LE, WAY too nonchalant with CG, WAY too much taking what the Grays say at face value.

Is this actually some kind of tactic that works well in a small town? Cops take it kind of easy as they question you, as a means to get you to talk and reveal more?
Because if not, I don’t get this at all.

A NYC cop would have shut that father down instantly. Without letting him tell his sob story first. It would be more like “send your kid out now or we are coming in.” And I’m astonished that they let the dad go inside alone to get CG without a cop escorting him in…that gives the father and son a few minutes of privacy in which they could get their stories straight.

Wow. Very disappointing. And tragedy ensued.

I’m very pro-LE but this was a huge letdown.

All JMO
 
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This statistics-based article sheds light on causes of school shootings and solutions.

www.civilbeat.org

Georgia High School Shooting Shows How Hard It Can Be To Take Action Even With Warning Signs

www.civilbeat.org www.civilbeat.org

Inspired by past school shooters, some perpetrators are seeking fame and notoriety. However, most school mass shooters are driven by despair and generalized anger; over 80% of school mass shooters showed signs of a crisis before the shooting, including depression, mood swings, agitation, isolation, trouble with daily tasks and other noticeable behavior changes.

Most importantly, over 90% leaked their plans ahead of time to others, preempting their attacks by leaving posts, messages or videos warning of their intent. School shooters communicate their intent to do harm in advance as a final, desperate cry for help.

The key to stopping these tragedies is being alert to these warning signs and acting on them immediately. Even if investigators don’t have enough evidence for an arrest, they can continually monitor students and help connect them to school- or community-based services or interventions, including peer-mentoring or mental health treatment. Simply criminalizing or punishing threats increases the risk for violence by worsening grievances with the school.
BBM

The article ends by begging parents to lock up their guns and ammunition separately.
 
Arkay said:
I agree 1000%.

I’m very taken aback after watching this.

I mean no offense to our friends here from the South, but this conversation is like a movie version stereotype of “good ole boys” just shootin’ the breeze.

WAY too much talking from the dad, WAY too few questions from LE, WAY too nonchalant with CG, WAY too much taking what the Grays say at face value.

Is this actually some kind of tactic that works well in a small town? Cops take it kind of easy as they question you, as a means to get you to talk and reveal more?
Because if not, I don’t get this at all.

A NYC cop would have shut that father down instantly. Without letting him tell his sob story first. It would be more like “send your kid out now or we are coming in.” And I’m astonished that they let the dad go inside alone to get CG without a cop escorting him in…that gives the father and son a few minutes of privacy in which they could get their stories straight.

Wow. Very disappointing. And tragedy ensued.

I’m very pro-LE but this was a huge letdown.

All JMO
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Well, the goal here was to alert the parent to a concern. It was not supposed to be confrontational, after all, the child had not broken any laws. And LEO did their job, although, I think that the child should have been evaluated by a professional for danger to himself and others. And based on that assessment, a judge could have mandated counseling. They didn't go there.

Police are not professionally trained professional psychologists, and I think that the mental health aspect is often minimized by law enforcement. They really were making a "judgement" call on mental health, and should have made sure that the child was actually assessed by a psychologist. MOO.

I guess that they "assumed" that the parent was responsible and would take the alert seriously. I think that they could have also offered trigger locks at the time for his guns. Out of an abundance of caution. I know our police department has boxes of those, anyone who wants a handful can have them for free.
 
I feel like the locals share a big part of the responsibility here. They got far too complacent and it seems like they assumed this was just a nothingburger and treated it as such. But they were incredibly wrong.

I also get the impression the father 100% knew the kid was off and decided to arm him instead of seeking help.

Tragedy all around.
 
BeginnerSleuther said:
They do, but I don't know what the criteria for the switch is. I will say, when I was in school some 20 years ago, the kids in the alternative school near me were the ones coming out of juvenile hall or those on probation. I only know this because my ex was sent to one after a drug bust and the classmates were all in similar trouble. Can't speak for other alternative schools.

MOO.
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It also depends on the school. A larger city may have several levels, if you will.

The largest alternative school in my city is primarily for kids who, for whatever reason, don't fit in at a regular school, and this does include teen parents, because that school provides child care. (Staff can use it too, but it's not free for them.) There's another school for the really dangerous kids, and it has just a few dozen students.

A lady I know who teaches at a regular HS here in town said that the alt-schools have stricter rules than the "regular" schools, so the kids won't think they want to go there.
 
m00c0w said:
I feel like the locals share a big part of the responsibility here. They got far too complacent and it seems like they assumed this was just a nothingburger and treated it as such. But they were incredibly wrong.

I also get the impression the father 100% knew the kid was off and decided to arm him instead of seeking help.

Tragedy all around.
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If they didn't have the technology to make certain that those posts didn't originate from the child, and if they had no legal recourse to take it any further (sending it back to the FBI for further analysis, search warrant, etc.) then maybe laws should change to fill in that gap and give LE in that situation the authority to fully and completely verify facts. If the stories don't bear out, then the guns should be kept in the property room until such time as a father like Colin can show evidence of his genuine ability to secure any and all firearms and ammo. (ginormous gun safe with biometrics, etc) I strongly support the 2nd Amendment AND students' right to a quality public education in a safe setting. (No violence of any kind, no bullying, no fears of retaliation for simply telling the truth, etc., etc.)
 
mickey2942 said:
Well, the goal here was to alert the parent to a concern. It was not supposed to be confrontational, after all, the child had not broken any laws. And LEO did their job, although, I think that the child should have been evaluated by a professional for danger to himself and others. And based on that assessment, a judge could have mandated counseling. They didn't go there.

Police are not professionally trained professional psychologists, and I think that the mental health aspect is often minimized by law enforcement. They really were making a "judgement" call on mental health, and should have made sure that the child was actually assessed by a psychologist. MOO.

I guess that they "assumed" that the parent was responsible and would take the alert seriously. I think that they could have also offered trigger locks at the time for his guns. Out of an abundance of caution. I know our police department has boxes of those, anyone who wants a handful can have them for free.
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Yes, ours does, too. That would have been a great thing to have with them and to offer. I like your idea.
 
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