General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[doobiedoo52]

Concerning LE making mistakes when they give out information...I am not buying it that it is because they are human and it can happen..

I think Greenwood was the spokesman in this case. They choose theri words carefully. They go by a script and make sure it is accurate when they speak to the media....This would be a first for the press official to make mistakes and not correct them. He wasn't even sure who was at the MH that night but he took a guess. Frankly, if it wasn't done to mislead the players, something is more than a little wrong in Putnam County. He said the first call came in at 2:13am and that He believed(usuallly means a guess) it was TN that showed up at the MH earlier in the evening. For a spokesperson, this was weird.

These are major pieces...I don't see how he could make such a blunder...I also saw no recanting of it either.

You know, Whisp--you're right. After listening to a recording of Bowling laughing about the San Mateo search, saying "everything is calculated and purposely done to bring this case to a logical conclusion" I realize what you are saying. Perhaps the river search and Nanny are the most current attempts to produce a reaction. Thanks.

 

[EastCoast]

Concerning LE making mistakes when they give out information...I am not buying it that it is because they are human and it can happen..

I think Greenwood was the spokesman in this case. They choose theri words carefully. They go by a script and make sure it is accurate when they speak to the media....This would be a first for the press official to make mistakes and not correct them. He wasn't even sure who was at the MH that night but he took a guess. Frankly, if it wasn't done to mislead the players, something is more than a little wrong in Putnam County. He said the first call came in at 2:13am and that He believed(usuallly means a guess) it was TN that showed up at the MH earlier in the evening. For a spokesperson, this was weird.

These are major pieces...I don't see how he could make such a blunder...I also saw no recanting of it either.

I just cant see Greenwood making that mistake either, for those of us here that follow so closely, and know what has been stated in this case, I just cannot even think that he could be so erroneous as to mistate the facts in such a major way when doing a press release. We all saw the Haleigh room on video. IMO they (LE) HAS to be focused on the facts and not make such a major blunder.

 

[Emeralgem]

imo, whatever happened occurred before ron went to work. There would be no reason to lie about what happened before ron went to work unless something happened.

Ron's attorney stated that ron arrived at work 30 to 45 minutes early and he did that every day. I do not believe that. By stating ron arrived by 4:15 pm, there is 45 minutes ron does not have to account for his whereabouts.

Then you have ron's story to cobra about picking up haleigh and going to work.

**********************
cobra: What van could misty drive? They`ve already told me, they told me
that the day that haliegh came up missing… that afternoon when she picked
her up from the bus stop… she picked her up in a van… and that uh, you
come down there flyin` sideways at the bus stop… hey, where my girl at?
…and you know… you lookin` for misty. What is all that?

Cobra: Oh, they lyin?

Ron: All that is wrong, dude. I picked my daughter up from the bus stop that day!
I dropped her off at the bus stop… and i picked her up at the bust stop!

Cobra: Well, i am glad you told me that… you know why? Cuz these scratches on
the van and all that s*** i`m glad misty didn`t do that s***, the van, you know
driving around. I think joe was driving the mother****** van!

Ron: I! I picked my daughter up from the bus stop… and she sat in my lap…
*advertiser censored*** what the world thinks, they can all suck my d*** …. I let her sit in my lap
and steer the car home… and she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! When she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! Okay?

Cobra: Damn

ron: I got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work.

*************
ron makes a point of stating that he picked haleigh up that day. Ron gets very angry and defensive. He tries to make his anger about haleigh driving. Imo, that is a deflection from what he is really angry about, that anyone would say misty picked haleigh up because that messes up the story he told.

Then ron goes into detail about the drive home. But ron misspeaks, catches himself and changes his story. Ron says haleigh turned on the left blinker then realizes she would have to turn on the right blinker to get home from the bus stop.

Could it be that misty picked haleigh up from school without ron's permission and ron in anger went after them? Ron does not mention where junior is at this time. Who had junior? Maybe junior was never there and that is why he is never mentioned. I think this is when haleigh got hurt. With all the references to the gun, i think ron pulled out a gun to threaten misty and haleigh got in the way. Either ron tried to hit misty with the gun or fired the gun and haleigh was injured.
Then ron talks about what happened when haleigh and him arrived at the mh. Ron says that "i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss" etc. Ron does not say haleigh or my daughter but her. He then immediately jumps back in the truck and goes to work.

The thing is ron never mentions haleigh getting out of the truck, only himself. With all the detail he gives, it is hard to believe he forgot to mention how haleigh got out of that truck. Which makes me think that haleigh did not get out of that truck on her own? That haleigh was hurt and could not get out on her own. If haleigh was even in that truck. If haleigh was hurt in the other vehicle, the one misty was driving, ron would be the only one getting out of the truck. But ron's story about picking haleigh up has le checking his vehicle, not whatever one she was in.

I think ron carried haleigh into a house in misty's blanket. I don't know if he carried her into the mh or someone else's house. Ron did not realize how seriously haleigh was injured or did realize and had to start the cover up.

If i'm right, this explains why misty would keep quiet. If haleigh was with her when haleigh was injured and witnesses at the bus stop saw her, misty could have been convinced that it wa her fault and she would be the one to go to jail.

From that point forward, i don't think ron would trust misty with the cover up, only what he told her. Imo, misty was given something to knock her out so she would have no details on who did what. I think ron went to work while his mom and gma set the cover up in motion.

I think the plan included calling tommy, misty and others to pont the finger toward them.

The croslin men do not seem to be afraid of ron and do not seem to like him. I think if they knew what happened, they would have talked to get misty away from ron. I think they were given enough bits and pieces to figure out some on their own but did not have the proof. Now that tommy is in jail, he is talking and telling everything he heard. Some of what he is saying matches some of what le alreadys knows as fact.

bbm.... bingo

 

[Whisperer]

Just like many thought Caylee drowned by accident in the family pool. Our hearts and minds do not want us to go dark. It is safer for us to hope that Haleigh didn't suffer. I hope everyone is correct because I took a short trip to the dark place and didn't like it.

 

[Whisperer]

The lies start the first thing in the morning. Why would it be necessary to lie about the early morning hours? That's twelve to 18 hours before the time of the crime? Again we have GMA and clothing brought up.....good grief!

 

[Whisperer]

Their is only one way for me to eliminate rc having knowlege of Haleighs death beforehand and that is for somebody, such as a witness come forth and say where TN was during the timeline. TN has never been listed as officially living in PP. She officially has lived in Fruitland Park, Lady Lake area for almost ten years. She had a very brief stay on Shoreline at the time rc needed custody and he said he lived with momma but actually he was the one who lived on Pita Pane in PP (which recently has been changed by TN to Crescent City. After he won custody, tn moved out of Shoreline. All of business, medical and legal affairs were not handled in Putnam County.

Since this single wide must be of some importance because every single member has claimed it as their residence at one time or another, I will venture to say that one of them must own it and have parked it on EKs land. There is no record of this parcel.

What I can't say completely (and bet the cops can't either) is that tn WASN"T staying in this single wide that particular night. Odds are she wasn't though. If she wasn't, that places her with kge of problems before 3:33a.m., which is the earliest time, according to rc she could have been called. I cannot justify her arrival that quickly, though I know she likes to drive fast and has many speeding tickets to prove it. This is pushing it, even for her. I say she arrived at the same time as LE.

It leads me to think she had to know before hand....and who called her if it wasn't rc. We know he called earlier because she sent "A family member" to check on the kids. If she lived and was in PP at the time, why not go herself?

 

[Peliman]

IMO, whatever happened occurred before Ron went to work. There would be no reason to lie about what happened before Ron went to work unless something happened.

Ron's attorney stated that Ron arrived at work 30 to 45 minutes early and he did that every day. I do not believe that. By stating Ron arrived by 4:15 pm, there is 45 minutes Ron does not have to account for his whereabouts.

I also believe Rons scheduled work hours were 3:30pm to Midnight (no link), not counting overtime. Locals report Haleighs bus dropped off children around 3:40pm.

Thanks, good job putting this together...

Another little piece that keeps me wondering.


Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings' case

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/politics/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

The more that comes out about this group of people the more it makes me think of this little key chain that a friend of mine bought for me a few years ago "you will be my best friend forever...not because I love you but because you know TOO MUCH!!!!"

I agree with the poster who said that these people have something on each other that they will all go down for.

I am finally starting to rethink my theory regarding what happened that horrific night.
Does anyone know what Ron and Joe were really arguing about, we need to know what brought this final result. We have a lot of Misty`s back story from the three days prior to Haleigh`s disappearance but what about before that and what was going on in Ron's life.

Guns and drugs are very rampant in their lives. Its just all too much for me. What could they all have possibly done that is worse then the death of a baby. What are they covering up.

 

[txsvicki]

Dressing all in black and doing home invasions on drug dealers maybe? Something like that could result in their deaths in or out of jail.

 

[yosande]

Their is only one way for me to eliminate rc having knowlege of Haleighs death beforehand and that is for somebody, such as a witness come forth and say where TN was during the timeline. TN has never been listed as officially living in PP. She officially has lived in Fruitland Park, Lady Lake area for almost ten years. She had a very brief stay on Shoreline at the time rc needed custody and he said he lived with momma but actually he was the one who lived on Pita Pane in PP (which recently has been changed by TN to Crescent City. After he won custody, tn moved out of Shoreline. All of business, medical and legal affairs were not handled in Putnam County.

Since this single wide must be of some importance because every single member has claimed it as their residence at one time or another, I will venture to say that one of them must own it and have parked it on EKs land. There is no record of this parcel.

What I can't say completely (and bet the cops can't either) is that tn WASN"T staying in this single wide that particular night. Odds are she wasn't though. If she wasn't, that places her with kge of problems before 3:33a.m., which is the earliest time, according to rc she could have been called. I cannot justify her arrival that quickly, though I know she likes to drive fast and has many speeding tickets to prove it. This is pushing it, even for her. I say she arrived at the same time as LE.

It leads me to think she had to know before hand....and who called her if it wasn't rc. We know he called earlier because she sent "A family member" to check on the kids. If she lived and was in PP at the time, why not go herself?

fwiw, I really really think she was in the Pdm area, using RC's phone, making those calls every two minutes, so he would have a solid alibi.
jmo, of course,.

I'd like to know if a basket of clean cloths that just had childrens' clothes in it was found in the mh that night, though it could have been brought there anytime, if teachers knew what Haleigh was wearing the previous Friday, that give some credence to ggm's story that she dropped clothes sometime within the days before HaLeigh went missing.

I'm pretty sure ToC was just desperate to get out of jail, and so the Shell Harbor story. moo

I don't even think RC could talk like he did about HaLeigh and gators, if that's what really happened, imo, no one can be that cold. moo

It would be good if LE checked out Pita Pane, and ggm's yard for precious, but I guess one would need a warrant, unless they had permission, to bring cadaver dogs around to snoop.

 

[lorann]

If I was in this cast of characters, I would not trust any one of them to not turn on me when questioned by LE or to gain leverage over me. The Croslin family takes turns loving and turning on one another. TN and GGMS would be consistant in covering for RC. RC would be consistent in covering for RC. If Haleigh was "put" somewhere - and I was involved somehow, I would have moved her or had her moved by someone I trusted. I think what happened to Haleigh was an accident and in their own way, they loved her very much - thus I believe she is buried somewhere - known by only a few people. The drugs, guns, people who get what they want without working too hard, just leads us into a world where things like this happen all the time.

We have all read many times, poor Haleigh never had a chance - yes she did, she was just let down each and every time because someone thought their way of life was more important than hers. And the person responsible and those that cover it up will have to answer - and will be judged if not now, then LATER.

 

[suspicious1]

If I was in this cast of characters, I would not trust any one of them to not turn on me when questioned by LE or to gain leverage over me. The Croslin family takes turns loving and turning on one another. TN and GGMS would be consistant in covering for RC. RC would be consistent in covering for RC. If Haleigh was "put" somewhere - and I was involved somehow, I would have moved her or had her moved by someone I trusted. I think what happened to Haleigh was an accident and in their own way, they loved her very much - thus I believe she is buried somewhere - known by only a few people. The drugs, guns, people who get what they want without working too hard, just leads us into a world where things like this happen all the time.

We have all read many times, poor Haleigh never had a chance - yes she did, she was just let down each and every time because someone thought their way of life was more important than hers. And the person responsible and those that cover it up will have to answer - and will be judged if not now, then LATER.

And that my friend deserved an "AMEN"

Hey Kimster-can we get that AMEN button? LOL

 

[1Chump]

The lies start the first thing in the morning. Why would it be necessary to lie about the early morning hours? That's twelve to 18 hours before the time of the crime? Again we have GMA and clothing brought up.....good grief!

Could it be the fighting that eventually lead to Haleigh's death started Sunday night? Maybe when Misty came home, Ron found out about the plan to steal the gun.

The one thing I am sure of is no way did Ron's woman have sex with another guy and Ron was fine with that. Even if Ron did not want Misty, Ron would be furious that she hooked up with someone immediately and made him look bad.

 

[Whisperer]

Last night on one of the tapes lindsy said tommy was home on the 9th as he cooked dinner for his family and the house was clean. Wonder why misty wasn't there if tommy was cooking...hmm

Can we rule out then that tommy visited at 5:00pm and all the kids were in the front running around? Didn't we recently hear that tommy was at the mh on green smoking weed with misty at 6:00pm?

Are we sure this dinner and pot smoking didn't occur at tommy's instead of misty's?

 

[aoibhinn]

Last night on one of the tapes lindsy said tommy was home on the 9th as he cooked dinner for his family and the house was clean. Wonder why misty wasn't there if tommy was cooking...hmm

Can we rule out then that tommy visited at 5:00pm and all the kids were in the front running around? Didn't we recently hear that tommy was at the mh on green smoking weed with misty at 6:00pm?

Are we sure this dinner and pot smoking didn't occur at tommy's instead of misty's?

Just wondering about ruling out the fact that Tommy and the kids were there at the same time as the AC guy?
And why would Misty be over to Tommy's for dinner? Just wondering now, any particular reason? She'd have two kids in tow as well, so that would make five kids altogether at table.

It makes sense to me that Tommy was there and left at 5:30 with kids and AC guy then came back to smoke a joint in peace with Misty*. If that AC guy was really there then I can't see them lying about that. Am I right in thinking that their houses are very close by? They were probably over and back constantly.

*Or maybe he had to go home and get weed because there was none at Misty's.

 

[Emeralgem]

Just wondering about ruling out the fact that Tommy and the kids were there at the same time as the AC guy?
And why would Misty be over to Tommy's for dinner? Just wondering now, any particular reason? She'd have two kids in tow as well, so that would make five kids altogether at table.

It makes sense to me that Tommy was there and left at 5:30 with kids and AC guy then came back to smoke a joint in peace with Misty*. If that AC guy was really there then I can't see them lying about that. Am I right in thinking that their houses are very close by? They were probably over and back constantly.

*Or maybe he had to go home and get weed because there was none at Misty's.

I pray this isn't O/T since we are in the thread titled....What Did The Neighbors Hear,
but wasn't there an article posted just last week where Lindsey claimed she was at the MH on Green Lane with her kids and they ate dinner there with Misty, Haleigh and Jr. before she went to class..

Sorry Kimster, IF I am off topic.. Just trying to figure out where we can address comments made IF they don't exactly coincide with the topic of a thread w/o getting a time out...

 

[lonetraveler]

I pray this isn't O/T since we are in the thread titled....What Did The Neighbors Hear,
but wasn't there an article posted just last week where Lindsey claimed she was at the MH on Green Lane with her kids and they ate dinner there with Misty, Haleigh and Jr. before she went to class..

Sorry Kimster, IF I am off topic.. Just trying to figure out where we can address comments made IF they don't exactly coincide with the topic of a thread w/o getting a time out...

Yes, Lindsey did claim that she was at MH on Green Lane and ate dinner with Misty. :waitasec: Now, we have Lindsey changing her story. Then you also have to wonder if Lindsey was there, why didn't GGMS see her? And, she is also another person who Misty neglected to mention who had been at the MH that evening.:waitasec:

 

[TrialAddict]

This is a trivial, aspect in this case, but it has really bothered me. How could it have taken 30-45 minutes to cook a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli ? Maybe she made corn bread and a cake too?

 

[lonetraveler]

If Lindsey's story about eating with Misty is correct, then maybe Misty ate with Lindsey and Tommy and their kids prior to walking over to Ron's MH to babysit Haleigh and Jr. That would explain if Ron did show up late for work. Misty reportedly called Ron on the phone while he was on the way to work to tell him that the AC man had shown up and handed the phone to the AC man. This scenario would cover Tommy cooking dinner and GGMS's comment that Misty showed up right when Ron left for work, much to her displeasure.

I have never interpreted the comment that TN made about Ron and Misty staying up all night Sunday night talking as meaning that they were physically together talking. I interpreted it to mean that they were talking on the phone. None of what I have just posted makes any sense at all, please just ignore.

 

[debs]

This is a trivial, aspect in this case, but it has really bothered me. How could it have taken 30-45 minutes to cook a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli ? Maybe she made corn bread and a cake too?

Well, I can only imagine perhaps she was stymied on how to get them out of the can.

But as someone else pointed out, if Lindsy and her kids were there for dinner, how come GGM never mentioned seeing her? How come Misty never relayed that information, either? Why 15 months later do we hear about this?