George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread 9 (For Friday)

[m00c0w]

It would have been nice if the shooter showed one ounce of remorse or concern for the victim after he put a round in TM's chest. He seemed to be more concerned about calling his wife while this kid lied bleeding on the ground. IMO

If someone was trying to kill me, I'm not sure I'd show much concern for them, "kid" or not.

JMO

 

[JeannaT]

IMO, being alive after being shot does not necessarily mean he was moving or was able to move.

That's true, except we know from witnesses that he DID in fact move. He moved his hands and arms back under his body after GZ pulled them out.

IMHO

 

[mom23gr8kids]

So IMO that should settle the argument about whether or not he could have sat up, spoke, or pulled his arms back. All now completely possible, IMO.

So again that gives GZ's story possibility. They can not prove it didn't happen the way he said.

 

[Truthy]

Those are *serious* side effects. All medications have 'serious side effects' listed for them. Has anyone testified that GZ suffered *serious* side effects from his meds? Or rather did GZ simply respond as prescribed to the meds he was prescribed? Restoril is for sleep and Adderall is prescribed for depression or anxiety. I take a number of meds, prescribed by my doctor, and suffer from NO 'serious side effects' from those meds. They work as they are prescribed to treat.

Sadly- GZ's past encounters with police over his agressive behavior were not admitted- but we know he had serious problems in the past with self control and agressive behavior.

We just don't know if he was mixing alcohol and adderall, or if he just had violent tendencies naturally.

Somehow I doubt he told his docs about those scrapes with the police- not if he got refills. imho

 

[Karmady]

exactly like GZ did not identify himself ....so the undercover agent should have had the right to shoot GZ in your opinion?

No. The fact that the dude was undercover was in response to the statement that George assualted a police officer and the inference that makes him a very bad person.

That said, the reason Trayvon got shot wasn't because he didn't identify himself (although that might have helped). It was because he attacked George and pummeled him. George didn't attack the police officer in that situation. If he had, he might well have gotten himself shot.

 

[DIBSY]

And the bomb shell: (IMO)

"Alive for 1 to 10 minutes after shot"

Ahh and the expert on " suspects " , 911 procedures et al, didn't even attempt to keep him alive or ask someone else to, which goes toward showing he certainly wanted him to die...and left him to do so. IMO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

If someone was trying to kill me, I'm not sure I'd show much concern for them, "kid" or not.

JMO

Exactly my thoughts. There's been so much conditioning for people to see TM as an innocent victim it's ridiculous. I see GZ and his family and now his attorneys as the true victims. I have seen nothing to refute GZ's claims. You'd think the state could present something convincing, having brought this to trial.

 

[?noanswer]

This witness seems to like himself and his opinions. Doesn't want them challenged. Wonder how he will do under the Defense's cross.


JMO

 

[Lovelymountains]

I agree...

I'll go even further to say that, in my very strong opinion...

GZ followed TM (even after he spoke with LE and was told that LE didn't need him to follow TM) because he did not want another "punk" to "get away"

IMO, Afraid that TM would indeed "get away," GZ caught up to TM, showed his gun, and tried to hold on to TM arm with the other hand to wait for LE...

IMO, this accounts for the brief period of TM (imo) calling for help, and then hitting GZ in an effort to get away...which led the scuffle and GZ shooting TM during the fight.

IMO, GZ did not follow TM so he could shoot him....but to physically hold him in place until LE arrived...

Imo, TM fought to defend himself and pumped up on adrenaline and having been hit himself, GZ felt justified in murdering him.

IMO, if GZ had let go of TM initially and let him go...TM would have run away.

IMO, and based on Rachel's testimony, all TM ever wanted was to get away from the creepy dude who was following him.

I think that your post accurately describes what happened, although I believe that GZ caught up with TM in the backyard of the condo where TM was staying, per RJ's testimony, and was forcing him, maybe at gunpoint, back to GZ's vehicle. IMO GZ was determined to not let this "Punk" get away. IMO

 

[Moonie]

There is not proof of this though.. In fact on 911 call he says.. TM is holding his hand in his waistband. GZ is nervous about this..

He is nervous on the whole call. It is another reason I believe he was just tracking him.. to see where he was going for police.. Not getting close to him.

JMO

GZ was asked in the Hannity interview by Hannity if he thought TM had a weapon while TM had his hands in his waistband. GZ said no! Implying that he was not afraid to follow TM.

 

[m00c0w]

From the JA trial. Hollow points fragment when entering into body as it hits body materials. You get multiple paths from fragments in flesh injuring multiple body parts as opposed of just one bullet path.
Just allot more work for the surgeon and many more points of blood loss. IMO

Not necessarily. Hollow points mushroom out, expending all force inside the body and creating a larger wound channel. Fragmentation may occur, but it's not the primary intent.

 

[Truthy]

That's true, except we know from witnesses that he DID in fact move. He moved his hands and arms back under his body after GZ pulled them out.

IMHO

Which witnesses saw Trayvon move by himself after the shooting? I missed that. Thanks!

 

[mom23gr8kids]

IMO, being alive after being shot does not necessarily mean he was moving or was able to move.

BUt IMO it gives reasonable doubt because he COULD have been. No way to prove he wasn't if he didn't die immediately.

 

[TexMex]

I was on the fence, until this ME took the stand.....

He will be on the stand for cross too...hear both sides..

IMO where the stippling was found backs GZ account of incident


IMO

 

[Lovelymountains]

Exactly my thoughts. There's been so much conditioning for people to see TM as an innocent victim it's ridiculous. I see GZ and his family and now his attorneys as the true victims. I have seen nothing to refute GZ's claims. You'd think the state could present something convincing, having brought this to trial.

The above is just your opinion, right?

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

Anyone know of a live feed that works with Android JB ( with or without Flash )?

 

[missmazzy]

I agree...

I'll go even further to say that, in my very strong opinion...

GZ followed TM (even after he spoke with LE and was told that LE didn't need him to follow TM) because he did not want another "punk" to "get away"

IMO, Afraid that TM would indeed "get away," GZ caught up to TM, showed his gun, and tried to hold on to TM arm with the other hand to wait for LE...

IMO, this accounts for the brief period of TM (imo) calling for help, and then hitting GZ in an effort to get away...which led the scuffle and GZ shooting TM during the fight.

IMO, GZ did not follow TM so he could shoot him....but to physically hold him in place until LE arrived...

Imo, TM fought to defend himself and pumped up on adrenaline and having been hit himself, GZ felt justified in murdering him.

IMO, if GZ had let go of TM initially and let him go...TM would have run away.

IMO, and based on Rachel's testimony, all TM ever wanted was to get away from the creepy dude who was following him.

Interesting...you think GZ drew his gun *before* they were on the ground. I always wondered how GZ was able to get the gun out of his holster while laying on the ground with 160 pounds of TM on him. Something to think about, IMO.

Having said that, TM hit GZ and he went down, I can't see how he would still be holding onto the gun.

Also IMO, if (I said if), the voice on the tape is TM, the only way he would be screaming like that is if he saw the gun. No way, IMO, was TM afraid of the "creepy *advertiser censored* cracka" who was following him.

That scenario still doesn't explain the shooting, I guess we'll see when we hear about the trajectory of the bullet.

Does anyone know if there was a plea deal offered in this case?

 

[Herding Cats]

Thanks, you guys...I appreciate the link! Makes watching the trial a bit easier.

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[JeannaT]

Which witnesses saw Trayvon move by himself after the shooting? I missed that. Thanks!

I didn't say that.

I'm staying out of controversial conversations, and won't respond to a request for further information on my post. *peace*

IMHO

 

[claudicici]

That's true, except we know from witnesses that he DID in fact move. He moved his hands and arms back under his body after GZ pulled them out.

IMHO

IMO that's impossible and I heard no witness state that,it's even hard to do when you have not just been shot in the heart to lay on your stomach and move your arms under your body...