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Intimate relationship (LS) / Viktoria Gabriel
During his police interrogation on 31.03.1931 (LS)has stated that Victoria Gabriel have already offered him a few weeks after the death of her husband on 12 December 1914, engaging in sexual intercourse with her, which he had rejected having regard to his marriage ,
After the death of his wife (VS) on July 14, 1918 (LS) entered into an intimate relationship with Viktoria Gabriel. In his police interrogation on 31.03.1931, he stated that he had had in five cases intercourse with her. (LS) and Victoria wanted to get married. The marriage was prevented by the old Gruber, who had threatened that he would leave the court in the case of a marriage.
(Source: Statement by Jacob Sigl 05/04/1922)
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Paternity by J. Gruber and corresponding processes
When Victoria became pregnant in 1919 and you could see the pregnancy, there were rumors about the paternity of the unborn child within. It was rumored that the old Gruber was the father of the child. Gruber held (LS) for the author of this rumors and threatened him with the involvement of a lawyer. On 07/09/1919 Viktoria Gabriel brought her son Joseph to the world and was the father (LS) on. (LS) denied paternity and showed Viktoria Gabriel and Andreas Gruber on 10.9.1919 due to incest. He stated that Victoria herself had told him that she had again had sexual intercourse with her father. He also stated that Andreas Gruber from him 3,000 marks maintenance have called for Joseph.
Pastor Michael Haas had now entered the birth of Joseph in the parish register of Waidhofen and under the name Josef Gruber with the words "illeg.".
Andreas Gruber was taken after the display on 09.13.1919 in custody since he was considered a repeat offender. On 25/09/1919 (LS) pulled at the insistence of Viktoria display for incest back. She had him 2,000 marks (possibly later 3000 Mark additional) paid, so he did not have to pay out of pocket the settlement sum with respect to the maintenance. Very likely a marriage he was also again promised. On 25/09/1919 relieved (LS) Andreas Gruber before the guardianship court and acknowledged paternity. Gruber was released from custody. He did not receive a compensation for detention.
Andreas Gruber was appointed by the Guardianship Court Schrobenhausen guardian for Joseph.
Between (LS) and Andreas Gruber as guardian of Josef Gruber was agreed in terms of maintenance for Josef Gruber that (LS) has to pay a severance payment in the amount of 1,800 marks. The guardianship court had approved this agreement.
On 23/10/1919 (LS) stated under oath before the District Court Schrobenhausen that the alleged facts in its display of 10.9.1919 (incest) are still true.
On 31.12.1919, the public prosecutor brought in the district court Neuburg charges against Viktoria Gabriel and Andreas Gruber for incest, because (LS) had reaffirmed after a revocation, the truth of the facts of his complaint for incest underlying oath.
In the course of 1920 both were acquitted of the charge of incest, because the contradictory statements of (LS) regarding the paternity of Joseph was not sufficient to convict. Since an acquittal has occurred, there must have been a trial before the District Court Neuburg. The date of the judgment is not known.
After the death of Josef (LS) inquired if he could get the severance amount paid back. He was told that this was not possible. This was kept him from Martinsried Mayr during police questioning by 31/03/1931.
The guardianship filing of AG Schrobenhausen were performed under number 216/19 and must be filed in the State Archives in Munich, if they have not been destroyed.
The criminal records of the District Court Neuburg / Danube were performed under number 9/20. Currently it is not known where or whether they are archived.
Donation of 700 gold marks in the confessional
This fact is (so far). Only by a dated on 12.08.1948 Summary of police officers Xaver Meiendres tangible, which can be viewed in the State Archives Augsburg. Meiendres was transferred on 05.01.1931 by the gendarmerie station Zwiesel at the gendarmerie station chief warden. On 08/03/1948 he was a letter from the head office Swabia (Tgb.Nr. 463/48) asked to resign from his memories of the event HK writing. Meiendres was then (as Chief Inspector) at the higher National Police School Sudelfeld.
Meiendres: "About 14 days before the fact, 700 marks were set in gold in the confessional of the parish church of Waidhofen. The then minister of Waidhofen who knew the financial situation of his parishioners was pretty much convinced that only a member of the Gruber family of Hinterkaifeck could have put the money in the confessional. When he subsequently the daughter of Mr and Mrs Gruber was coming to him, and they asked her about the origin of the money, she admitted, after some hesitation, that they have put the money for missionary purposes in the confessional. "
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Nocturnal Search Viktoria Gabriel or Cäzilia Gruber
Sophie Fuchs, a former classmate of Cäzilia Gabriel, testified in a police interrogation on 17.12.1951 that Viktoria Gabriel said to have left on 30/03/1922 after a violent dispute Hinterkaifeck late. The whole family was in custody on the search made ​​(which has apparently led to the river a couple) and then I found Victoria sitting on a tree stump in the forest.This presentation was given when she was tired the next day at school and was interviewed by the teacher after the basic Cäzilia Gabriel.
1984 Sophie Fuchs said in a hearing by Commissioner Konrad Müller contrast, submit that had the nightly search of the grandmother, so Cäzila Gruber counted.
This representation and the two versions are (so far) survived only by the relatively late statements of the witness Fuchs.
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Munich newspaper at the edge of the forest / tracks in the snow
These two facts can be found in the statements of the Post Schaffner Josef Mayer from Waidhofen.
1951 Ludwig Hecker had a conversation with Josef Mayer and related information from it in his 10-part serial story about the murder case Hinterkaifeck in the "Donau Kurier".
1952, possibly due to the continuing story of Hecker and in the course of the investigation against the brothers Gump, Mayer was questioned by police and later before the magistrate. The interrogation protocols of the conductor's post from 01.10.1952 and 05.06.1952 pursuant mentioned Andreas Gruber and his daughter Victoria Mayer over the discovery of a "Munich newspaper" at the edge of a forest and asked him if he knew someone who would refer this newspaper. Also the post Schaffner has been reported that have discovered the courtyard leading tracks in the snow Andreas Gruber from the forest.
The first statement (10/01/1952) was arrested in the apartment Mayers in Waidhofen by the police officers Prähofer and walnut. The second statement (05/06/1952) was recorded in the District Court in Schrobenhausen. Present were here the magistrate Hölzle and the court clerks Reiner. Mayer pointed out that he had been questioned in 1922 by station commander Goldhofer Hohenwart. A protocol, if made​​, seems to have not received it.
While the discovery of the "Munich newspaper" only mentioned by Josef Mayer, the tracks in the snow are also confirmed by other statements. Commissioner Reingruber wrote on 06/04/1922: "It should also be noted that the property has been committed in the 03/30/22 spent two men of a burglary in the early hours of Thursday. It is broken into the engine house as stated by the Andreas Gruber, but nothing was stolen. In fresh snow footprints of two men were seen, leading to the property, but there were no traces allegedly present which had led away from the property. (Details of [LS]). "
(NB .: In the statement of [LS] from 05.04.1922 this information is not included, they should be subsequently come to the attention of Commissioner Reingruber.)
Jacob Sigl mentioned the facts of the footprints in the snow in his statement from 01.10.1952. According to him learned his father Kaspar Stegmair from Gröbern, who was on his way to Schrobenhausen, on 30/03/1922 by Andreas Gruber, "that in the snow a track to his estate go, he thought that rogues were in his house. Stegmair should have Gruber asked to leave the property search, whereupon Gruber replied that he was not afraid. "His father told him about this interview on the same day at the cattle market of Schrobenhausen.
The much-awaited by Andreas Gruber letter
This fact seems to be - rather suggestively - only to find at Leuschner, in the 3rd edition of "The murder case Hinterkaifeck" about on p.23. But even at Leuschner is not said that Gruber had immediately asked several times and almost urgent for a letter. A letter speaks of possibly only ever the Post Schaffner in his answer to the question of Gruber, if he did not have with me more than the newspaper: "Your letter comes soon enough before you die."
This passage could be due to literary freedom. Post Schaffner Mayer does not mention the issue in his two interrogations in 1952 (see above).
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Possibly existing firearms on HK and her whereabouts
On Hinterkaifeck 1920/21 there has been certainly at least one firearm.
There are two statements:
Rupert was a Scheppach 1919/20 as hoarders few times to HK. Well in 1920 he was asked by Andreas Gruber to repair a gun and brought him in the same year, a half-pound shot pellets, packed in one with his name and the words "wage for the second with 02.08.1920" labeled paycheck. Because this pay check was later found in the chamber of the murdered maid, Scheppach was interrogated by the police.
(Note .: See also Leuschner, 3rd edition, p 177 .: "Once the old Gruber had asked him to look up a gun. Scheppach realized that it needed a new pilot cone and promised to bring it the next time in order . ")
From the former Hinterkaifecker maid Kreszenz Rieger there is a Protocol of interrogation 09/07/1952. There they mentioned u.a .:
"Became known to me that the boys Thaler a year ago (Anm .: is meant the year before the murder, ie 1921) were encountered in the Wagenschupfen night of Gruber. At that time they should have injected fresh with an infantry rifle of the old Gruber. I once heard the shot. But I did not tell you what was the cause of the shot, so I do not have more terror in my pregnant state. "
Whether the repaired from Scheppach gun (and possibly another weapon) in 1922 on the farm was (s) and whether these (s) was functional (s), can not be said with absolute certainty. At least one weapon (probably the repaired from Scheppach) but must have been operational in 1921 on the farm. From an "infantry rifle" says Rieger Kreszenz apparently only by hearsay.
But she clearly states that she had heard a shot.
This weapon (s) was (were) not found in 1922 after the murder on the farm. Neither of Bernhard Gruber, who has lived in the yard after the fact at times, even from demolition in 1923 it is known that subsequently a (possibly hidden) firearm was found.
Intimate relationship (LS) / Viktoria Gabriel
During his police interrogation on 31.03.1931 (LS)has stated that Victoria Gabriel have already offered him a few weeks after the death of her husband on 12 December 1914, engaging in sexual intercourse with her, which he had rejected having regard to his marriage ,
After the death of his wife (VS) on July 14, 1918 (LS) entered into an intimate relationship with Viktoria Gabriel. In his police interrogation on 31.03.1931, he stated that he had had in five cases intercourse with her. (LS) and Victoria wanted to get married. The marriage was prevented by the old Gruber, who had threatened that he would leave the court in the case of a marriage.
(Source: Statement by Jacob Sigl 05/04/1922)
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Paternity by J. Gruber and corresponding processes
When Victoria became pregnant in 1919 and you could see the pregnancy, there were rumors about the paternity of the unborn child within. It was rumored that the old Gruber was the father of the child. Gruber held (LS) for the author of this rumors and threatened him with the involvement of a lawyer. On 07/09/1919 Viktoria Gabriel brought her son Joseph to the world and was the father (LS) on. (LS) denied paternity and showed Viktoria Gabriel and Andreas Gruber on 10.9.1919 due to incest. He stated that Victoria herself had told him that she had again had sexual intercourse with her father. He also stated that Andreas Gruber from him 3,000 marks maintenance have called for Joseph.
Pastor Michael Haas had now entered the birth of Joseph in the parish register of Waidhofen and under the name Josef Gruber with the words "illeg.".
Andreas Gruber was taken after the display on 09.13.1919 in custody since he was considered a repeat offender. On 25/09/1919 (LS) pulled at the insistence of Viktoria display for incest back. She had him 2,000 marks (possibly later 3000 Mark additional) paid, so he did not have to pay out of pocket the settlement sum with respect to the maintenance. Very likely a marriage he was also again promised. On 25/09/1919 relieved (LS) Andreas Gruber before the guardianship court and acknowledged paternity. Gruber was released from custody. He did not receive a compensation for detention.
Andreas Gruber was appointed by the Guardianship Court Schrobenhausen guardian for Joseph.
Between (LS) and Andreas Gruber as guardian of Josef Gruber was agreed in terms of maintenance for Josef Gruber that (LS) has to pay a severance payment in the amount of 1,800 marks. The guardianship court had approved this agreement.
On 23/10/1919 (LS) stated under oath before the District Court Schrobenhausen that the alleged facts in its display of 10.9.1919 (incest) are still true.
On 31.12.1919, the public prosecutor brought in the district court Neuburg charges against Viktoria Gabriel and Andreas Gruber for incest, because (LS) had reaffirmed after a revocation, the truth of the facts of his complaint for incest underlying oath.
In the course of 1920 both were acquitted of the charge of incest, because the contradictory statements of (LS) regarding the paternity of Joseph was not sufficient to convict. Since an acquittal has occurred, there must have been a trial before the District Court Neuburg. The date of the judgment is not known.
After the death of Josef (LS) inquired if he could get the severance amount paid back. He was told that this was not possible. This was kept him from Martinsried Mayr during police questioning by 31/03/1931.
The guardianship filing of AG Schrobenhausen were performed under number 216/19 and must be filed in the State Archives in Munich, if they have not been destroyed.
The criminal records of the District Court Neuburg / Danube were performed under number 9/20. Currently it is not known where or whether they are archived.
Donation of 700 gold marks in the confessional
This fact is (so far). Only by a dated on 12.08.1948 Summary of police officers Xaver Meiendres tangible, which can be viewed in the State Archives Augsburg. Meiendres was transferred on 05.01.1931 by the gendarmerie station Zwiesel at the gendarmerie station chief warden. On 08/03/1948 he was a letter from the head office Swabia (Tgb.Nr. 463/48) asked to resign from his memories of the event HK writing. Meiendres was then (as Chief Inspector) at the higher National Police School Sudelfeld.
Meiendres: "About 14 days before the fact, 700 marks were set in gold in the confessional of the parish church of Waidhofen. The then minister of Waidhofen who knew the financial situation of his parishioners was pretty much convinced that only a member of the Gruber family of Hinterkaifeck could have put the money in the confessional. When he subsequently the daughter of Mr and Mrs Gruber was coming to him, and they asked her about the origin of the money, she admitted, after some hesitation, that they have put the money for missionary purposes in the confessional. "
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Nocturnal Search Viktoria Gabriel or Cäzilia Gruber
Sophie Fuchs, a former classmate of Cäzilia Gabriel, testified in a police interrogation on 17.12.1951 that Viktoria Gabriel said to have left on 30/03/1922 after a violent dispute Hinterkaifeck late. The whole family was in custody on the search made ​​(which has apparently led to the river a couple) and then I found Victoria sitting on a tree stump in the forest.This presentation was given when she was tired the next day at school and was interviewed by the teacher after the basic Cäzilia Gabriel.
1984 Sophie Fuchs said in a hearing by Commissioner Konrad Müller contrast, submit that had the nightly search of the grandmother, so Cäzila Gruber counted.
This representation and the two versions are (so far) survived only by the relatively late statements of the witness Fuchs.
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Munich newspaper at the edge of the forest / tracks in the snow
These two facts can be found in the statements of the Post Schaffner Josef Mayer from Waidhofen.
1951 Ludwig Hecker had a conversation with Josef Mayer and related information from it in his 10-part serial story about the murder case Hinterkaifeck in the "Donau Kurier".
1952, possibly due to the continuing story of Hecker and in the course of the investigation against the brothers Gump, Mayer was questioned by police and later before the magistrate. The interrogation protocols of the conductor's post from 01.10.1952 and 05.06.1952 pursuant mentioned Andreas Gruber and his daughter Victoria Mayer over the discovery of a "Munich newspaper" at the edge of a forest and asked him if he knew someone who would refer this newspaper. Also the post Schaffner has been reported that have discovered the courtyard leading tracks in the snow Andreas Gruber from the forest.
The first statement (10/01/1952) was arrested in the apartment Mayers in Waidhofen by the police officers Prähofer and walnut. The second statement (05/06/1952) was recorded in the District Court in Schrobenhausen. Present were here the magistrate Hölzle and the court clerks Reiner. Mayer pointed out that he had been questioned in 1922 by station commander Goldhofer Hohenwart. A protocol, if made​​, seems to have not received it.
While the discovery of the "Munich newspaper" only mentioned by Josef Mayer, the tracks in the snow are also confirmed by other statements. Commissioner Reingruber wrote on 06/04/1922: "It should also be noted that the property has been committed in the 03/30/22 spent two men of a burglary in the early hours of Thursday. It is broken into the engine house as stated by the Andreas Gruber, but nothing was stolen. In fresh snow footprints of two men were seen, leading to the property, but there were no traces allegedly present which had led away from the property. (Details of [LS]). "
(NB .: In the statement of [LS] from 05.04.1922 this information is not included, they should be subsequently come to the attention of Commissioner Reingruber.)
Jacob Sigl mentioned the facts of the footprints in the snow in his statement from 01.10.1952. According to him learned his father Kaspar Stegmair from Gröbern, who was on his way to Schrobenhausen, on 30/03/1922 by Andreas Gruber, "that in the snow a track to his estate go, he thought that rogues were in his house. Stegmair should have Gruber asked to leave the property search, whereupon Gruber replied that he was not afraid. "His father told him about this interview on the same day at the cattle market of Schrobenhausen.
The much-awaited by Andreas Gruber letter
This fact seems to be - rather suggestively - only to find at Leuschner, in the 3rd edition of "The murder case Hinterkaifeck" about on p.23. But even at Leuschner is not said that Gruber had immediately asked several times and almost urgent for a letter. A letter speaks of possibly only ever the Post Schaffner in his answer to the question of Gruber, if he did not have with me more than the newspaper: "Your letter comes soon enough before you die."
This passage could be due to literary freedom. Post Schaffner Mayer does not mention the issue in his two interrogations in 1952 (see above).
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Possibly existing firearms on HK and her whereabouts
On Hinterkaifeck 1920/21 there has been certainly at least one firearm.
There are two statements:
Rupert was a Scheppach 1919/20 as hoarders few times to HK. Well in 1920 he was asked by Andreas Gruber to repair a gun and brought him in the same year, a half-pound shot pellets, packed in one with his name and the words "wage for the second with 02.08.1920" labeled paycheck. Because this pay check was later found in the chamber of the murdered maid, Scheppach was interrogated by the police.
(Note .: See also Leuschner, 3rd edition, p 177 .: "Once the old Gruber had asked him to look up a gun. Scheppach realized that it needed a new pilot cone and promised to bring it the next time in order . ")
From the former Hinterkaifecker maid Kreszenz Rieger there is a Protocol of interrogation 09/07/1952. There they mentioned u.a .:
"Became known to me that the boys Thaler a year ago (Anm .: is meant the year before the murder, ie 1921) were encountered in the Wagenschupfen night of Gruber. At that time they should have injected fresh with an infantry rifle of the old Gruber. I once heard the shot. But I did not tell you what was the cause of the shot, so I do not have more terror in my pregnant state. "
Whether the repaired from Scheppach gun (and possibly another weapon) in 1922 on the farm was (s) and whether these (s) was functional (s), can not be said with absolute certainty. At least one weapon (probably the repaired from Scheppach) but must have been operational in 1921 on the farm. From an "infantry rifle" says Rieger Kreszenz apparently only by hearsay.
But she clearly states that she had heard a shot.
This weapon (s) was (were) not found in 1922 after the murder on the farm. Neither of Bernhard Gruber, who has lived in the yard after the fact at times, even from demolition in 1923 it is known that subsequently a (possibly hidden) firearm was found.