Haleigh's Bus Stop

[RJA00]

I took all 3 of my sons to school their first day, went to the classroom with them and stayed until they were comfortable enough to be there. I did not send any of them on a bus the first day, in fact, most of their younger years they were taken to school and dropped off... not sent on a school bus.
When my middle son was in kindergarten, one day he just refused to get out of the car and go inside, and no amount of coaxing would sway him. This was way into the school year, after several months of attending. I finally ended up walking him into his class and told his teacher what was going on. She took him outside to sit on the steps with him, since her classroom was just inside the front door. Later she called me at home to tell me he was fine, and she had figured out what was wrong. Something had happened the day before, and he thought he was in trouble, and just scared to go back.
It is obvious to me from that picture that Haleigh just had separation anxiety. My youngest son was barely 4 when he went to preschool for 3 hours a day. His first day was fine until I left the room to go back home, and he cried, holding his arms out to me while the teacher held him in her lap. It was all I could do to walk out of there, and I cried all the way home. When I went to pick him up, he was fine, had stopped crying within minutes of me leaving. The next morning, he marched into school by himself with no problems, and was smiling! No problems after that. I can't imagine what it would have been like if I sent him off on a bus with strangers!!

When my son started pre school last year. I almost took him out the crying and screaming I didn't think was normal every morning. I used to sit on the steps and cry. The director would come out every morning for 2 weeks and sit with me. she say it will get easier. the second week she knew i was about to have nerves breakdown worrying. She said OK if he does this on the third week i will not talk you out of taking him out. The third week he was fine.

When he started pre k this year the first 3 days was rough (my husband works at the same school he goes to now)
They didn't have pre k in are school district so he will have to change schools next year so I say we will have a rough time again. My husband works in the cafeteria at the school he goes to now ( yes, my husband is a lunch lady lol lol)

 

[kiki the parrot]

Here's her route to bus stop
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...81.672345&sspn=0.004292,0.009463&ie=UTF8&z=17

IIRC...the dogs tracked in that direction.

I actually called bus compound early last week (I told you I'm obsessed) and spoke w woman who was very informative and helpful. She assured me that all the children from the entire area (Seven Sisters, etc ) all utilize the same stop--at Tyler and Monroe Sts. I was also informed by the friendly bus dispatcher/coordinator that no child is permitted to get off school bus unless adult/parent is at stop to meet them--in which case they are taken across town to bus compound. This at least rules out possibility that Haleigh could have gotten off bus w/out adult there to meet her. Assuming bus driver (I know her name too, and could probably also find her no. but this is where even I must draw a line oy) has confirmed for LE dad was in fact there at stop to meet Haleigh that day, I am still left wondering exactly what time dad rounded up gf; if stories re gf just coming off three-day drug binge are true; and if she could've been either late and dad possibly left for work before gf actually arrived... or if gf may have resumed partying as soon as dad left--either case in which there could have been ample opportunity earlier in the day were there poor supervision of Haleigh. I am just not sure re alleged 7 pm sighting (which has varied), nor reports of kids' bedtime (which have differed), nor any of these sketchy accounts we've heard of hours following Haleigh's reported arrival at bus stop--and neither, evidently is LE who continues requestioning gf, no doubt re timeline and the actual size of this "window of opportunity" thru which an SO could have crawled. JMO

arrot:

 

[dunlurken]

Had Haleigh ever been to pre-school? This could be totally intimidating for a child who had never been in a controlled environment. Poor Ron. Why didn't he take her to school for the first couple of days to get her acclamated? Then llet her take the bus.

I'm confused. She was only 4 years old. Of course she was scared.

 

[Aries72]

I actually called bus compound early last week (I told you I'm obsessed) and spoke w woman who was very informative and helpful. She assured me that all the children from the entire area (Seven Sisters, etc ) all utilize the same stop--at Tyler and Monroe Sts. I was also informed by the friendly bus dispatcher/coordinator that no child is permitted to get off school bus unless adult/parent is at stop to meet them--in which case they are taken across town to bus compound.

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arrot:

Hmmm...well in that picture it clearly shows a RR crossing mark on the road behind the bus which would place it at Tyler & Buffalo Bluff. ChesterP went to visit the families and stated that he/she (sorry don't know if you're a man or woman :angel saw kids getting off the bus at this same location around the time Haleigh would be getting off the bus.

IMO, I find it very strange that they'd have a bus stop so close to a RSO's address (212 Monroe St) if in fact, the bus stop is at the corner of Tyler and Monroe like you were told. I also find it VERY scary that just any person can call the bus compound and find out all that info. I mean, I know your heart was in the right place BUT do they normally give out that info to just anyone? I just find it odd and not very professional...MOO.

 

[dunlurken]

What is the importance of the RR crossing? :waitasec:

 

[winterrose]

When LE flew by where the reporter was standing to go to the dumpster,it looked like she was standing at the busstop.They had just left the trailer,is there only one way out of there from the trailer,past the busstop,along the rr tracks?

 

[winterrose]

What is the importance of the RR crossing? :waitasec:

In the pictures of her at the busstop,the rr crossing painted on road,it's at a corner.

 

[Aries72]

When LE flew by where the reporter was standing to go to the dumpster,it looked like she was standing at the busstop.They had just left the trailer,is there only one way out of there from the trailer,past the busstop,along the rr tracks?

Here's a map.

There's a road off Tyler that runs next to the storage area/dumpster location. It takes you into River Villas, so someone could get out that way if they wanted to.

 

[winterrose]

Here's a map.

There's a road off Tyler that runs next to the storage area/dumpster location. It takes you into River Villas, so someone could get out that way if they wanted to.

I know that at some of these storage places of rvs and boats,people will store them from other states.I don't know if this is the case here,though.I guess the owner of the place has been contacted to see if there are any missing boats or rvs,but I've wondered,because that dumpster wasn't even emptied at the beginning.And I also wonder about the abandoned vehicle,was it close to this storage facility?Unless LE talked to the owner about any missing,then the out of state owners wouldn't know.

 

[dunlurken]

Here's a map.

There's a road off Tyler that runs next to the storage area/dumpster location. It takes you into River Villas, so someone could get out that way if they wanted to.

Thank you for the link. I'm still missing the importance of the fact that a RR crossing was at the bus stop. :waitasec: It is a rural area. What am I not getting?

 

[momtective]

Thank you for the link. I'm still missing the importance of the fact that a RR crossing was at the bus stop. :waitasec: It is a rural area. What am I not getting?

In this picture of Haleigh (not) getting on the bus, you can see the RR crossing on the road.

In this picture you can see the RR crossing on the road

And here's a completely different angle from Tyler Rd. You can't see the RR Crossing from this angle but it gives a different prospective of where Ron & Haleigh were standing when he was tryin' to get her on that bus.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Hmmm...well in that picture it clearly shows a RR crossing mark on the road behind the bus which would place it at Tyler & Buffalo Bluff. ChesterP went to visit the families and stated that he/she (sorry don't know if you're a man or woman :angel saw kids getting off the bus at this same location around the time Haleigh would be getting off the bus.

IMO, I find it very strange that they'd have a bus stop so close to a RSO's address (212 Monroe St) if in fact, the bus stop is at the corner of Tyler and Monroe like you were told. I also find it VERY scary that just any person can call the bus compound and find out all that info. I mean, I know your heart was in the right place BUT do they normally give out that info to just anyone? I just find it odd and not very professional...MOO.

Only passing along the info I was given here (shrugging shoulders), as I thought you would be interested. I also didn't identify myself as a WS only as the parent of a kindergartener, which is true, and because many school systems, believe it or not, make this info available to the public on their websites. I agree, it's surprising how easy it is to get this info and while it shouldn't be, I also believe any perp who ever scouted out Haleigh en route home from bus stop likely did so as do most perps--who evidently manage to scout out neighborhoods w/out aid of any websites, maps OR phonecalls. :furious: JMO

arrot:

 

[Theonly1]

This is the first time that I've started a thread so mods, if it needs to be moved...please do so.

Winterrose posted a link to some photos towards the end of the NG thread. As I was looking at this one, I noticed the railroad crossing marking on the road behind the bus.

Some of us had been wondering if the bus stop was close to any of the RSO in the area. If you look at a map and the train track...the bus stop is probably somewhere around Tyler St & Buffalo Bluff Rd.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou....576947,-81.674509&spn=0.008584,0.018926&z=16

Another thought as I was looking at a map of the RSO in the area. I'm sure this has been discussed but one RSO lives right down the street from Haleigh's house...0.1 mile...at 212 Monroe St. Didn't Ron previously live on Monroe St? AND if this guy has any children, their bus stop is more than likely at the same location as Haleigh's. I'm sure LE has checked out this person but I just got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I pulled up his picture.

After looking at this picture, this is NOT a child that would go willingly with an abductor in the dead of the night!

 

[Aries72]

Thank you for the link. I'm still missing the importance of the fact that a RR crossing was at the bus stop. :waitasec: It is a rural area. What am I not getting?

If you go to the Photo/Maps thread, someone posted a detailed map of the first dog tracking trail. IIRC, they followed her scent down Tyler St to the railroad tracks.

Only passing along the info I was given here (shrugging shoulders), as I thought you would be interested. I also didn't identify myself as a WS only as the parent of a kindergartener, which is true, and because many school systems, believe it or not, make this info available to the public on their websites. I agree, it's surprising how easy it is to get this info and while it shouldn't be, I also believe any perp who ever scouted out Haleigh en route home from bus stop likely did so as do most perps--who evidently manage to scout out neighborhoods w/out aid of any websites, maps OR phonecalls. :furious: JMO

arrot:

I know, it is surprising all the way around. I don't think they should post that info on websites either. Thank goodness, our school system doesn't. You receive it during school orientation OR you can pick it up at the school but they look at your ID and check the records to make sure you have a child going to that school before they give it to you. I guess the only way for perps not to get this kind of info is to put them all on a secluded island....and that's putting it nicely.

 

[GenealogyKR]

After looking at this picture, this is NOT a child that would go willingly with an abductor in the dead of the night!

She'd go with mom...or mom's boyfriend.

 

[Indigo]

Thank you for the link. I'm still missing the importance of the fact that a RR crossing was at the bus stop. :waitasec: It is a rural area. What am I not getting?

Dogs tracked Haleigh's scent to RR tracks, dunlurken.

 

[tfrohning]

Does anyone know who providing the pictures of Ron and Haleigh at the bus stop?
There is a picture on HLN all the tiime with Ron walking with Haleigh where he is holding her book bag. the picture is taken from behind Ron and Heliegh. I would like to know who was taking the pictures?

 

[Indigo]

Does anyone know who providing the pictures of Ron and Haleigh at the bus stop?
There is a picture on HLN all the tiime with Ron walking with Haleigh where he is holding her book bag. the picture is taken from behind Ron and Heliegh. I would like to know who was taking the pictures?

Good question, tfrohning. I'd also like to see some photos of earlier times.

 

[Spyglass]

Thanks, Aries, for opening the thread and providing good information, maps and views.

Thanks, too, to chesterp.

 

[Aries72]

Does anyone know who providing the pictures of Ron and Haleigh at the bus stop?
There is a picture on HLN all the tiime with Ron walking with Haleigh where he is holding her book bag. the picture is taken from behind Ron and Heliegh. I would like to know who was taking the pictures?

The family provided the bus stop photos.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131087&provider=rss

-from article-

"There is also a series of photos of Haleigh's first day of school.

Her father, Ronald Cummings is walking with Haleigh to the bus stop in the pictures.

Haleigh's aunt, Crystal Cummings said Haleigh was so excited to start school. A photo shows Haleigh walking ahead of her father.

But once the school bus arrived, Haleigh got nervous and started to push her father away from the bus because she didn't want to get on it."