Halyna Hutchins Shot With Prop Gun - Alec Baldwin indicted & Hannah Gutierrez-Reed charged, 2021 #6

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The owner of the prop company that provided the guns and blank and dummy ammo, PDQ arms, Seth Kenney.
HGR publicly blamed that company and sued the owner, claiming that they mixed live rounds with the dummy ammo. But it's come out that HGR asked the owner of PDQ about shooting live ammo through the prop guns and was told not to. And supposedly forensic tests excluded the live ammo found on set from anything possessed by PDQ. The lawsuit was either dismissed or dropped when the owner of PDQ did a FOIA for documents related to the criminal case and was accidentally sent HRGs full cell phone dump. Which contained texts between her and her lawyers and allegedly contains texts between her and her dad where he tells her to 'find those rounds' or words to that effect.

And the owner of PDQ is a prosecution witness who is apparently prepared to testify that HGR told him that she bought live ammo of the same caliber to shoot from her personally owned gun. From what I've read, Seth Kenneys testimony will be that HGR asked him if she could shoot live ammo with the prop guns and after being told no, responded that she bought some live ammo and owned a pistol of the same caliber that she was going to use it in.
Which begs the question, if you have your own pistol, why ask if you can use one of the same model and caliber rented from a prop company for nonwork live fire?

This sort of confirms the early stories/rumors of HGR letting some of the actors "practice" shooting with live ammunition. JMO, she was inexperienced and immature enough to think it would be a good idea for people on set to entertain themselves by target shooting using live ammo with prop guns.
The fact HGR discussed using live ammo in the prop weapons with PDQ kind of puts the fault on her. It's hard to accuse the production company of causing the accident due to operating an unsafe set when HGR was actively considering using live ammo in prop guns just for fun. JMO
 
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Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the movie set Rust, leaves the Santa Fe courthouse. Gutierrez-Reed is on trial for involuntary manslaughter, accused of negligence leading to the death of Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in October 2021.

 
This sort of confirms the early stories/rumors of HGR letting some of the actors "practice" shooting with live ammunition. JMO, she was inexperienced and immature enough to think it would be a good idea for people on set to entertain themselves by target shooting using live ammo with prop guns.
The fact HGR discussed using live ammo in the prop weapons with PDQ kind of puts the fault on her. It's hard to accuse the production company of causing the accident due to operating an unsafe set when HGR was actively considering using live ammo in prop guns just for fun. JMO

Not to mention her drugs use.
Oh, and alcohol as well.

What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

You just couldn't make it up! o_O

JMO
 
Somewhat OT, but this courthouse is a 3 minute walk from the building where my Grandma worked (before she retired) and about a half hour walk from her house.

At least, HGR has some great restaurant choices right now, although she may have no appetite.

Homesick, you betcha!

jmho ymmv lrr
 
Not to mention her drugs use.
Oh, and alcohol as well.

What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

You just couldn't make it up! o_O

JMO
True, but the defense and prosecution will both likely try to blame the production company and Alec Baldwin anyway. It's a weird situation, JMO, where the prosecution and defense have pretty much the same goals - to blame Baldwin and the production company for the negligence and deliberate bad acts of the armourer and asst Director.

It's a partisan political justice system and I've recently seen similar examples of this strange phenomenon in other states - where prosecution and one of the defense teams have similar goals.
 
True, but the defense and prosecution will both likely try to blame the production company and Alec Baldwin anyway. It's a weird situation, JMO, where the prosecution and defense have pretty much the same goals - to blame Baldwin and the production company for the negligence and deliberate bad acts of the armourer and asst Director.

It's a partisan political justice system and I've recently seen similar examples of this strange phenomenon in other states - where prosecution and one of the defense teams have similar goals.

I'm sorry,
but I would prosecute the production as well for daring to employ this person.

What were they thinking?
Who managed this circus?

No wonder half of the staff left this "set".

I have no further comments as I have to take care of my blood pressure.

I only lament that Halyna had the misfortune to work there.
And, unfortunately, paid with her life :(

JMO
 
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True, but the defense and prosecution will both likely try to blame the production company and Alec Baldwin anyway. It's a weird situation, JMO, where the prosecution and defense have pretty much the same goals - to blame Baldwin and the production company for the negligence and deliberate bad acts of the armourer and asst Director.

It's a partisan political justice system and I've recently seen similar examples of this strange phenomenon in other states - where prosecution and one of the defense teams have similar goals.

I definitely think the producers should be charged, or bankrupted because they tried to cut costs by hiring bottom of the barrel people and cut corners. And I would bet money that is exactly why HGR was hired instead of someone with more experience. The producers wanted someone cheap who they could overrule and ignore. But HGR had an obligation as armorer to speak up and stop production if she felt unsafe poop was going on.

I sympathize, to a certain degree, because I've been in situations in the Army where I was the one responsible at a range or training event but had to keep balance safety with higher (bosses) desire to not slow down or stop. But I knew if something had gone bad, I'd be the one on the hook being faulted when something goes wrong. IMO HGR didn't have the experience or credibility to stand up to the producers about unsafe *advertiser censored* if she had truly recognized a problem or needed more time. But she took their money and presumably signed a contract saying she was competent, which means she assumed responsibly. And her alleged extracurricular activities and drug use shows, to me, someone that didn't take gun responsibilities seriously.

Put bluntly, IMO, HGR was a spoiled kid who acted like an idiot IG gun bunny and traded on her family name to get a job she shouldn't have had. And her poor decisions and sloppy work contributed to someone getting killed.
 
I hate when they double charge like that and, IMO, that should be illegal.

I have always said that too. I could go on and on about it. You commit one crime and get 3 charges.

If you agree to plead guilty they will drop 2 charges. If you go to trial they will try you on all 3 charges. Plea deal get 18 months then probation. Lose at trial? Get 15 years.

Force people to plead to avoid costly trial and too many years in prison. Many innocent people plead guilty!!!!

Rigged system.

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I definitely think the producers should be charged, or bankrupted because they tried to cut costs by hiring bottom of the barrel people and cut corners. And I would bet money that is exactly why HGR was hired instead of someone with more experience. The producers wanted someone cheap who they could overrule and ignore. But HGR had an obligation as armorer to speak up and stop production if she felt unsafe poop was going on.

I sympathize, to a certain degree, because I've been in situations in the Army where I was the one responsible at a range or training event but had to keep balance safety with higher (bosses) desire to not slow down or stop. But I knew if something had gone bad, I'd be the one on the hook being faulted when something goes wrong. IMO HGR didn't have the experience or credibility to stand up to the producers about unsafe *advertiser censored* if she had truly recognized a problem or needed more time. But she took their money and presumably signed a contract saying she was competent, which means she assumed responsibly. And her alleged extracurricular activities and drug use shows, to me, someone that didn't take gun responsibilities seriously.

Put bluntly, IMO, HGR was a spoiled kid who acted like an idiot IG gun bunny and traded on her family name to get a job she shouldn't have had. And her poor decisions and sloppy work contributed to someone getting killed.
I agree that these cases are best left to civil action, as they usually are when accidental injuries and death happen in movie or tv shows. Alec Baldwin has already been sued by the victim's family and reached a generous settlement with them. If the victims family still wants to sue the production company, they could do that as well.
 
And the owner of PDQ is a prosecution witness who is apparently prepared to testify that HGR told him that she bought live ammo of the same caliber to shoot from her personally owned gun. From what I've read, Seth Kenneys testimony will be that HGR asked him if she could shoot live ammo with the prop guns and after being told no, responded that she bought some live ammo and owned a pistol of the same caliber that she was going to use it in.
Which begs the question, if you have your own pistol, why ask if you can use one of the same model and caliber rented from a prop company for nonwork live fire?
I think this whole issue of "...she bought ammo for her own pistol so that's what must have been in AB's gun..." is a red herring, tbh.

The police do not seem to have followed up this theory that people were shooting live ammo on set during down-time or anything so I don't think there is much too it.

Something which has been pointed out repeatedly as regards the suspicions that the ammo bought by HGR was the ammo used in the shooting is that it is established fact that the round which shot HH was made with Star-Line brass and bore their headstamp. Star-Line do not make ammunition, they make brass and only brass.

The big ammo makers use brass with their own respective headstamps. Some small volume manufacturers use Star-Line branded brass in their products but they are usually expensive options often making specialist loads for specific uses. It's possible that the ammo HGR bought was by one of these companies but unlikely, imo. I don't know the availability of ammo from these small companies in gun shops in NM and AZ but I'd suggest that they wouldn't be common, especially not during the lockdown period as they would be unlikely to be producing anything.

It's far, far more likely that the ammo was handloaded using Star-Line brass (that is their main market), rather than bought anywhere, in my opinion. Therefore, highly unlikely that this particular round was one purchased by HGR.
 
The police also didn't bother looking at the other guns and ammo for a week, after another crew member admits they emptied a gun and threw away the rounds inside. I'm taking anything they said they found in and around the guns with a grain of salt. But I'd presume that if HGR did buy some reloaded 45 long colt, there would have been a paper or text/call trail to show here they came from.

It is possible that HGR bought reloads. It's also possible, though I doubt, that PDQ mixed live rounds in by mistake. I don't know. That's what the investigation and trial should be able to tell us.

We do know that corners were cut and HGR, and others, did unsafe things on the Rust set and HGR did unsafe things at her previous movie set. Which lends credence to the theory that HGR accidentally mixed rounds.

Probably not important but I keep thinking back to HGRs statement that originally she was only able to load 5 out of 6 rounds and had to clean the pistol to load the 6th. If they were doing a crossdraw rehearsal, WTF was going on to get the cylinder fouled so badly a round wouldn't load?
 
HANNAH GUTIERREZ-REED CRIMINAL TRIAL

Good morning, today marks day one of opening statements & witness testimony in the criminal trial of Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the set of the movie Rust. As armorer, Hannah was responsible for all weapons, including the .45 revolver that was loaded with live ammo, handed to Alec Baldwin and discharged, fatally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.


Hannah Gutierrez-Reed faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and tampering with evidence. Prosecutors allege HGR was using drugs and drinking during production, and that she ditched her drugs before police could find it.HGR claims she is a victim of sabotage and that disgruntled cast and crew likely put the live ammo on set to get her fired.

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Alec Baldwin will have his day in court. But not until this trial ends. That is a massive advantage for his defense team since many of the witnesses will be the same and they can see the State's strategy. His trial date hasn't been set yet, but looks to be sometime this summer.


Hannah Gutierrez-Reed enters the courtroom on Thursday morning with her defense team.


Off to a rough start. Apparently one of the jurors was involved in a car accident this morning. So we are waiting on that person to show up before we can actually get started. The court is in recess until then.
 
@alcaprari23

The judge has re-entered the courtroom and the final juror has arrived. I believe opening statements will begin shortly.Both the prosecution, defense and Hannah Gutierrez are at their seats. Hannah is composed and stoic. Have not seen much emotion from her. She wouldn't answer any of my questions yesterday when I caught her outside of the courthouse.

The jury has entered the courtroom. They are getting their instructions before opening statements begin. Of the 12 jurors, 7 are male and 5 are female. The four alternates are male.

The charges are: Two counts of involuntary Manslaughter and Tampering with Evidence.HGR is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The jury must find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt if they are to convict.
 
The police also didn't bother looking at the other guns and ammo for a week, after another crew member admits they emptied a gun and threw away the rounds inside. I'm taking anything they said they found in and around the guns with a grain of salt. But I'd presume that if HGR did buy some reloaded 45 long colt, there would have been a paper or text/call trail to show here they came from.

It is possible that HGR bought reloads. It's also possible, though I doubt, that PDQ mixed live rounds in by mistake. I don't know. That's what the investigation and trial should be able to tell us.

We do know that corners were cut and HGR, and others, did unsafe things on the Rust set and HGR did unsafe things at her previous movie set. Which lends credence to the theory that HGR accidentally mixed rounds.

Probably not important but I keep thinking back to HGRs statement that originally she was only able to load 5 out of 6 rounds and had to clean the pistol to load the 6th. If they were doing a crossdraw rehearsal, WTF was going on to get the cylinder fouled so badly a round wouldn't load?
There won't necessarily be any record of where she purchased ammunition. I'm not in the US but I'm sure that ammo sales aren't recorded. Whatever she did buy wouldn't have been "reloaded" - if was a purchase from a gunshop it would have been factory made ammo from a small producer using Star-Line brass.

As to the sixth round not loading properly, there could be a plausible explanation for this; it may not have been an issue with the gun but, rather, the ammo. Dummy rounds are by definition custom made by hand. A particular dummy round may have been made incorrectly causing it not to chamber. You see it all the time with reloaded ammunition - the brass hasn't been sized correctly, or too much crimp has been applied bucking it, bullet seated not straight, etc.

Also, by their very nature, dummies are loaded and unloaded multiple times and may have been passed through multiple guns of various states of repair and become damaged, especially if they'd been cycled through, say, lever action rifles multiple times. That's a very good way of bashing up ammo. Ammo is not designed nor intended to be treated like this.

Unless we know that it was the same round (dummy or live) that HR loaded after cleaning the gun then we cannot say that a dirty gun was the problem.

Besides, shooting a few rounds through an otherwise clean and serviceable gun is unlikely to cause those sorts of problems as regards dirt clogging it up. IMO.
 
HANNAH GUTIERREZ-REED CRIMINAL TRIAL

Good morning, today marks day one of opening statements & witness testimony in the criminal trial of Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer on the set of the movie Rust. As armorer, Hannah was responsible for all weapons, including the .45 revolver that was loaded with live ammo, handed to Alec Baldwin and discharged, fatally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.


Hannah Gutierrez-Reed faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and tampering with evidence. Prosecutors allege HGR was using drugs and drinking during production, and that she ditched her drugs before police could find it.HGR claims she is a victim of sabotage and that disgruntled cast and crew likely put the live ammo on set to get her fired.

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Alec Baldwin will have his day in court. But not until this trial ends. That is a massive advantage for his defense team since many of the witnesses will be the same and they can see the State's strategy. His trial date hasn't been set yet, but looks to be sometime this summer.


Hannah Gutierrez-Reed enters the courtroom on Thursday morning with her defense team.


Off to a rough start. Apparently one of the jurors was involved in a car accident this morning. So we are waiting on that person to show up before we can actually get started. The court is in recess until then.
Fatally killing?????
 
@alcaprari23

Prosecutor Jason Lewis delivering opening statement now: Tells jury he will give a "roadmap" of what they plan to deliver as evidence over the next two weeks. Says he wants them to pay attention to the events on the day of the shooting and try to answer the question, "how did live ammo get on set?" Lewis says they believe it was the "negligent acts and failures of Ms. Gutierrez that resulted in both of the acts that contributed in Ms. Hutchins' death and the live rounds being brought on set.”


TV screens in the courtroom are now showing visual cues for the jury to see. The first image is Halyna Hutchins. It is a close headshot and she is smiling. Her blonde hair is cut short. Lewis tells the jury she was a mother to a 9-year-old son and the one who was killed on the movie set. Hutchins was the Rust cinematographer and Lewis explains to the jury what a cinematographer does. But above all, "she was a loving wife and mother.”

Lewis explains that Hannah Gutierrez-Reed had a dual role on the set of Rust: Armorer and prop assistant. He is explaining what those responsibilities are.He focuses extra time on the armorer role. Explains that this person should source and bring to set all firearms used on the movie.


The next image is a closeup photo of the .45 caliber revolver that was used on the set. It's the one that Alec Baldwin held when it went off and killed Hutchins. Lewis explains that while it is a "prop gun," it is still very much a live weapon capable of firing live ammo. Although it looks old, Lewis explains that it was brand new and perfectly functioning.
 
@alcaprari23

Lewis explains that an armorer is responsible for purchasing blanks and dummy ammo. We are shown an image of a blank round. Three golden bullets are shown on the screen with a pinched end, the best indication that it is a blank since that is typically where the projectile goes.

Now three images of dummy rounds are shown. They look much more like a live bullet. Because they are designed to look like a live round, Lewis says it's important that every round is checked before putting them into a firearm. Lewis says HGR was required to check every single round before handing off a weapon to someone else.

Lewis explains to jury how you can distinguish a dummy from a live round: shake it to hear the BBs inside, see a hole that's on the side of the cartridge or notice that there is no primer at the tail end of the bullet.

"Ms. Gutierrez did not always adhere to these safety procedures... she often rushed through this critical step and sometimes she skipped this step altogether.”

Lewis is showing images of the Bonanza Creek Ranch, where RUST filming happened. You can see the old church where the shooting death occurred. Calls the day when the shooting happened "chaotic." Explains that some camera operators were disgruntled and threatened to quit. Producers decided to push ahead and film anyway and just use less camera equipment than normal.

We are now watching a video of Alec Baldwin inside the church, sitting on a pew and practicing his draw with the revolver from his holster. At first, his head is down as if he is dozing off. All of a sudden, he whips his head up and pulls the revolver out. Baldwin is wearing his costume and cowboy hat. They were rehearsing the scene and Lewis says there is no reason at all for a live round to be inside a live weapon at any point on set.

Lewis says HGR initially loaded five rounds into the six-shooter, but after lunch, loaded a sixth round into the chamber. Lewis says 1st AD Dave Halls did a sloppy check of the gun once it was passed to him. He was supposed to be the second layer of safety before handing the gun to Baldwin.

Lewis says HGR admits she did not check the weapon after lunch to independently inspect each and every round in the revolver. Says she SHOULD HAVE opened the gun, pulled out each round, shaken it to hear BBs or find a drilled hole. But she failed to do that check, Lewis says.

The gun was fired and the projectile went completely through Ms. Hutchins and then went through the shoulder of the director, Joel Souza. The set-paramedic began life-saving efforts. Another crew member called 911 to seek additional medical assistance. But it took time before medics could arrive.

"The decisions [Hannah Gutierrez-Reed] made that day ultimately contributed to Ms. Hutchin's death."

Lewis is now explaining the second crime she's accused of: Tampering with Evidence. Lewis says that one of her crewmates came to check in on her after the shooting back at the hotel. Lewis claims HGR handed her crewmate a bag of cocaine to "hold on to for her." Crewmate was reportedly surprised that HGR gave it to her and she threw the drugs away. Over the next several weeks, HGR allegedly texted the crewmate to "return her stuff.”

Lewis says over the next two weeks, the jury will hear from firearms experts, law enforcement members, FBI and forensics experts, image enhancement experts and witnesses on the set of Rust. That includes the director who was shot and others who were inside the church.

Prosecution is finished with its opening statement. Quick 10 minute bathroom break before the defense gets their shot at an opening statement.

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I agree that these cases are best left to civil action, as they usually are when accidental injuries and death happen in movie or tv shows. Alec Baldwin has already been sued by the victim's family and reached a generous settlement with them. If the victims family still wants to sue the production company, they could do that as well.
I don't think we know how "generous" the settlement with AB was. It's sealed.

Alec Baldwin settlement in fatal shooting sealed, judge cites privacy concerns over son of Halyna Hutchins

And I believe the production company was already sued by the HH's family (husband/child) at the same time AB was.

Judge approves settlement in 'Rust' shooting lawsuit by Halyna Hutchins' family

I don't know what is going on the the lawsuit involving HH's other relatives.

Alec Baldwin facing new lawsuit from cinematographer’s family in ‘Rust’ shooting
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