How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?

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Disguising Kyron has occurred to me. Simply removing his glasses would make less noticeable, even to people who knew him, since they were used to seeing him with his glasses on.

I don't know what distance he can walk without difficulty without his glasses.

I would guess his vision would not be a problem. My corrected vision is something like 20/200, which means I am legally blind. I am also mobility impaired but I can walk around just fine. I see well enough to peskily backseat drive with my husband (poor man, he's a saint for putting up with me!).

I might be more apt to trip over some small object on the ground but I also know from experience that I successfully avoid most such objects. I wouldn't want to drive, particularly at highway speeds, I wouldn't want to do a lot of reading or tasks requiring a lot of visual detail such as needlework. But just walking around? Not a problem.

Based on my own experience, I doubt that simply walking or even running without his glasses would be a huge obstacle for Kyron.
 
Haven't we read that TH was home on her FB during the time of talent show? If so she wasn't the person who left the school with him. :eek:

Not saying she is involved or not but you do not have to be home to access FB. Can be done from cell.
 
Not saying she is involved or not but you do not have to be home to access FB. Can be done from cell.

Facebook can be accesed by cell phone but it will say mobile upload, you can access facebook from any computer i use my wireless laptop all the time, there are hot spots in coffee shops, libraries, bookstores, you can virtually use a laptop anywhere
 
Grainne Dhu, my challenge with your well thought out post is that Kyron was reported to be very shy with strangers....right? I think that perhaps someone he did not know would have had a difficult time getting him anywhere-and I am not wedded to the idea that anyone in his immediate family was responsible. FWIW.

I'm not wedded to the theory that the stepmom did it, either. I was just trying to answer BeanE's questions.

As for his being shy with strangers, I think there have been many instances of kids who allegedly knew "stranger danger" happily going off with... STRANGERS! One example I can remember was a TV show, where they interviewed the parents ahead of time, all the parents said with absolute conviction that their child would never go off with a stranger. And then watched in shock as their child promptly went off with the TV show's person playing the stranger.

Child predators become experts on luring children. They are expert at putting children at ease.

I really think that if some stranger had approached Kyron inside the school and said "I need help carrying something in from my car and Miss Porter said you were a good helper" he would have trotted right off. To Kyron, such a person may not have seemed like a stranger. They were in his school, they knew his teacher's name and they offered him some praise; a lot of kids would not see that person as being a stranger.
 
Facebook can be accesed by cell phone but it will say mobile upload, you can access facebook from any computer i use my wireless laptop all the time, there are hot spots in coffee shops, libraries, bookstores, you can virtually use a laptop anywhere

If you access via a hot spot, won't you have a different IP address? I would assume that Facebook logs IP addresses as a routine security measure.
 
With everything impeccably planned out by SM if true, she was clever enough to take pictures, put the truck in the exact place at the exact time, conceal her looks, take Kyron, do whatever, and then forget to take the battery out of her cell phone??? I would think if she put that much planning into this, that would have been a detail she would have not missed.
 
I agree with your basic point about not being noticed unless something was way out of the ordinary, but I don't know whether I agree that he had to have come out. I think there's still the possibility he's hidden somewhere in the school, especially if there's a basement.

Am I the only person who NOTICES what is going on around them??? This is driving me nuts. Surely, lots of people pay attention - particularly a child leaving school in the morning. It would be very obvious. I cannot imagine anyone planning a murder this way. That would be too great a gamble leaving allot up to pure chance.
I also think there is a possibility he was hidden at the school - or somehow taken out with the trash :sick: but surely the search dogs would have found him by now.
 
There is a huge difference between "seeing" someone and "noticing" someone.

We only notice when we pay attention ...and at that time in the morning, and with a procession of comings and goings...there would need to be something out of the ordinary to grab our attention. (That would preclude use of a designed to impress red Mustang with a vanity plate such as RDSQRL)

So after an early arrival and showing face at the science fair...I would return alone to my boring white truck at the least busy time...probably after the initial rush of visitors to the science-fair has slowed (say after 8.15) ...but before the primetime for the arrival of the non-science fair attendees ...(say 8.30 -8 35 am )...so that would suggest a window of relative calm between 8.20 - 8.25 am.

I would leave by the traditional exit...perhaps going out of my way to be seen without my child before I left and if I didn't want to engage in conversation I would put the cell phone to my ear...and look focused on my call...(hardly out of the ordinary)

I would have my child rejoin me by using the south exit which I presume is not used for entry purposes in the morning...maybe walking across the soccer field to the road up front ...(that route looks to be at a lower level than the entrance used by the arriving cars and he is therefore unlikely to be observed)

I would tell the child that he would be leaving to go for a doc's appointment but not to say anything specific if he ran into another kid while waiting to exit the school ...so as not to get any "embarrassing" questions...(maybe I'd suggest to tell the other kids he's off to see the "cool electricity" exhibit.)

Once my kid was in the truck I would obviously have the chance to verify that he kept his mouth shut...and assess the possibility that another adult saw him rejoining me in my truck.
 
Here's how it could have happened.


Weeks and days prior to 6/4:
Spend time in the school, check out sight-lines from rooms which overlook the parking lot and the east (unattended, unlocked) entrance. Notice that there is almost no view of area next to east door from any window.

Arrive at the school on several mornings to notice the traffic flow between 8:15-8:30. When do buses arrive; how many walkers and when do they arrive; how many drop-offs and when. School does not open (officially) until 8:35, so that is taken into account.

What is the status of parking places at that time- are there spaces available at that hour which are visible from the school, ideally the gym/cafeteria/auditorium?


6/3
Tell your child you will pick him up at school, near the East door, and do so. The teacher would have had a note or email saying you will do this.

6/4
Make sure your child wears the same (or a duplicate) flashy, memorable tee shirt he had on the previous day.

Arrive at 8:00, select preferred parking place, likely the few spaces in the rear of the school. (Should have been using that place from time to time when at the school.) Think of a logical reason to use that space- easy to back truck in without worrying about people walking thru lot.

Enter school through east door, looking toward gym/cafeteria to see what the situation is in there- make eye contact with anyone nearby.

Escort child to room, look at exhibit, acknowledge teacher, take picture. Tour a few rooms with child, after all, he will be going around with his class later. Stand in front of his class, remember that he left his lunch in the car (and make sure whatever he has "left" is not in his backpack.) Tell him to meet you at the east entrance in 5 minutes (there are clocks in all the halls). Leave him at the west end of the hall near his classroom. Go down the east stairs, exit through one of the cafeteria doors. Anyone there will notice you leaving alone.

Get in truck, keeping eye out for others in parking lot. Anyone who sees you will see you entering the truck alone.

Meanwhile your child has gone down the west stairs (maybe) and passed near the Main Entrance, where the office is. People in the office will have noticed him- may have noticed him, because the halls are not very full- the majority of kids haven't arrived yet. At that point, he's only a short walk from the east door.

Your car is in gear, ready to move. You see the east door start to open, and drive forward, stop under the portico and open the door for your passenger. Idle there half a minute, making sure he is not followed by a worried staff member. You have tinted windows, so no one can see who is in the truck. When you are satisfied that he has not been followed, drive away.

Point of vulnerability: he has five minutes to tell someone he's headed to meet you. Not likely, it's not interesting. At any rate, by the time someone is going to ask "Did you see him; what did he say", it's late in the day. The formal questioning was at the school 48 hours later. Any child who says, I saw Kyron, he had on his CSI shirt, and he was going to meet his lunch-provider, will/may be thought to be speaking of the previous day.

Point of vulnerability: Someone outside will see him getting into the truck. If they do, you will know it, because you will see them. Give him his lunch, he gets out of the truck and goes back to class.

Point of vulnerability: Someone inside will see him getting into the truck. Low probability from the gym/cafeteria. High windows, unlikely anyone is looking out and in the direction of the east door. The portico will make it even more difficult to see what is happening. And you've just gone through there, you know what people are doing and whether they're looking.

Point of vulnerability: Someone will be looking out the door and see him exiting. A staff member/teacher will have seen and stopped or followed him. A child might see him, but unless he says, hey, where you going, the event will go unremarked. And, thanks to the duplicate shirt, the previous day's east door pickup, and- the widely-disparaged comments from the boy and his granma -will all make it harder for a child's statement to be examined and believed. The kids probably weren't talked to for at least 12-48 hours later.

Chances of being seen are minimized. If a child says, I saw Kyron leaving with his parent, teacher thinks, Friday appointment. Or when the child is questioned later, the questioners will know that Kyron. wearing CSI shirt, left by the east door, into the truck on Thursday, because whoever picked him up will have said so, and the teacher has the record to prove it. Someone may have seen you going to or getting into your car-- alone. This is a good thing. Teacher will be anxious to claim that she thought the appt was this Friday, not next week. This is a good thing. School admin, although grieved about the disappearance, will minimize and deny their own negligence. This is a good thing, because their witnesses will say I saw the parent getting into her truck, and he/she was alone. I saw him/her drive away.

By the time anyone has to think hard and answer questions about what they've seen, it will be much harder to decide what happened on Friday.

That's all I've got, but here is the security info from the Handbook:

Building Security
All parents, visitors and volunteers are required to checkin at the office prior to entering any other portion of the building. Identification tags are to be worn by all adults in the building during school hours. For security purposes, only the main entrance and East door will be unlocked during school hours. All other doors will be locked or monitored, as required by our district’s security policy. Please assist us as you enter or exit the building and check to see that doors are closed securely. If you are in our building and notice individuals without an identification badge, please ask them to register in the office.

No child is allowed to walk across the parking lot unattended.


PS I think the handbook is no longer on their site.
 
Let me see, where should I park?

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You can see from this Google Earth photo that if this parking lot was full of hustle and bustle and cars, it would be VERY easy to park and not be noticed.

People are not paying attention to this particular vehicle, child, and parent, on Science Fair day. Not even close.

The best time to leave would be ~8:40am when everyone is getting their kids to their rooms and hanging out and chatting with other parents and adults. Just walk right out to the hustle bustle lot. Security cameras are no where to be found.

After that, it's a secluded hop skip and a jump from there to hook up to Newberry Rd and then be at Sauvie in a country drive flash. We are talking EASY PEASY here folks.

A few mornings and afternoons of dry runs to find the perfect Sauvie spot, is all it would have taken. It's practically dead out there during work and school times so one would have plenty of opportunities to poke around and explore the lay of the land (and water) :furious:.
 

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That's all I've got, but here is the security info from the Handbook:

Building Security
All parents, visitors and volunteers are required to checkin at the office prior to entering any other portion of the building. Identification tags are to be worn by all adults in the building during school hours. For security purposes, only the main entrance and East door will be unlocked during school hours. All other doors will be locked or monitored, as required by our district’s security policy. Please assist us as you enter or exit the building and check to see that doors are closed securely. If you are in our building and notice individuals without an identification badge, please ask them to register in the office.

No child is allowed to walk across the parking lot unattended.


PS I think the handbook is no longer on their site.

That last bolded statement made things clearer to me: Kyron was not seen without an adult in the parking lot. He would have stood out.

That doesn't mean he wasn't seen.

It may mean that:

a) No one noticed him, so no one reported seeing him;

or

b) Someone did notice him, did report it to LE but they are keeping it quiet;

or

c) No one did see him, meaning he left at a time when there was no one in a position to see him or he was in some way disguised or obscured.
 
Am I the only person who NOTICES what is going on around them??? This is driving me nuts. Surely, lots of people pay attention - particularly a child leaving school in the morning. It would be very obvious. I cannot imagine anyone planning a murder this way. That would be too great a gamble leaving allot up to pure chance.
I also think there is a possibility he was hidden at the school - or somehow taken out with the trash :sick: but surely the search dogs would have found him by now.


Sounds like a very busy morning. Adults and students going in and out carrying projects...making more than one trip.

Some younger siblings would have been along too, so kids would have been leaving as well.
 
That last bolded statement made things clearer to me: Kyron was not seen without an adult in the parking lot. He would have stood out.

That doesn't mean he wasn't seen.

It may mean that:

a) No one noticed him, so no one reported seeing him;

or

b) Someone did notice him, did report it to LE but they are keeping it quiet;

or

c) No one did see him, meaning he left at a time when there was no one in a position to see him or he was in some way disguised or obscured.

It may also mean that he was the kind of child who would not disobey school rules. He must have left in the company of an adult, or he must have moved directly from the exit into a vehicle.
 
That would be the answer, for me, if that's a door, but part of my puzzling over this is that going way back I thought it was determined that that wasn't a door. Are you sure it is one, Steadfast?

I don't know how it was determined that it wasn't a door. Did a local post that? It looks like a covered portico to a door, probably for dropping kids off in the rain. Plus, I would think for fire safety reasons, there would have to be a door on that side of the building.
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Watched an episode of Sherlock Holmes yesterday, a boy missing at school. His parents were separated, mother in Italy and he was living with his father but staying at school this year. Anyway the kidnapper's ruse was a letter from his father stating that he was to meet his mother outside the school that night. Brought Kyron back to mind. Anyway the kidnapper turned out to be the father's older illigitimate son, who worked for the father but father never pubicly admitted that he was his son. He was the one who had written the note.
But if someone got a message to Kyron that if he went outside he would be brought to his mom, seems like that might work.
 
When we finally moved from the old depressing house in a mediocre neighborhood out in so-so Beaverton, to my dream house out in the prestigious Skyline area, I was becoming much happier.

*snipped, but not diminished!

Holy carp! That is EERIE!!
 
That's all I've got, but here is the security info from the Handbook:

Building Security
All parents, visitors and volunteers are required to checkin at the office prior to entering any other portion of the building. Identification tags are to be worn by all adults in the building during school hours. For security purposes, only the main entrance and East door will be unlocked during school hours. All other doors will be locked or monitored, as required by our district’s security policy. Please assist us as you enter or exit the building and check to see that doors are closed securely. If you are in our building and notice individuals without an identification badge, please ask them to register in the office.

No child is allowed to walk across the parking lot unattended.


PS I think the handbook is no longer on their site.

I saved a copy to my PC.
 

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Watched an episode of Sherlock Holmes yesterday, a boy missing at school. His parents were separated, mother in Italy and he was living with his father but staying at school this year. Anyway the kidnapper's ruse was a letter from his father stating that he was to meet his mother outside the school that night. Brought Kyron back to mind. Anyway the kidnapper turned out to be the father's older illigitimate son, who worked for the father but father never pubicly admitted that he was his son. He was the one who had written the note.
But if someone got a message to Kyron that if he went outside he would be brought to his mom, seems like that might work.

I am familiar with the episode -- The Priory School...and can see why it made you think of Kyron!

But that was a fairly sophisticated plot ...imo this case is more like a bad episode of "Without a Trace"...especially the sequence the show uses to start every episode where the missing person walks towards his/her destination and literally vanishes into thin air off the TV screen ...because this is effectively what the SM is asking us to believe.

She claims (according to her mother Carol Moulton talking to the media on June 5) that she was walking with him in the hall towards his classroom ...and when they were close to the classroom, he said mom I'm off to the classroom now ...(why he said this is beyond me as they were already walking toward the classroom for his 8.45 drop-off) ...he waved goodbye to his mom (why wave when he just left her) and then she watched him walk towards the classroom and then exited herself believing he had reached the nearby classroom.

Her story only makes sense if you believe the vanishing sequence in "Without A Trace" is fact rather than fiction.
 
Facebook can be accesed by cell phone but it will say mobile upload, you can access facebook from any computer i use my wireless laptop all the time, there are hot spots in coffee shops, libraries, bookstores, you can virtually use a laptop anywhere

I don't have a cell phone but I've used my amazon Kindle to post on my facebook page and it doesn't come up as a mobile device or anything different than how it appears when I use my home computer *shrug*


If you access via a hot spot, won't you have a different IP address? I would assume that Facebook logs IP addresses as a routine security measure.

I'm sure using a kindle would easily be detected from facebook's end, as well as showing a trace on the kindle's end...I don't know how the kindle would "ping" or whatever...I don't know how that stuff works
 
Facebook can be accesed by cell phone but it will say mobile upload, you can access facebook from any computer i use my wireless laptop all the time, there are hot spots in coffee shops, libraries, bookstores, you can virtually use a laptop anywhere

Exactly. And with something like Verizon's MiFi, you literally take your hotspot with you! And that includes to places like Sauvie Island, if you had some reason to do such a thing. I just can't think of any right now. :waitasec:

:D
 

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