Huckaby tied to January missing girl report

[Tori2]

Just to clarify, BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder. I couldn't tell if that was figured out or not.

 

[snapdragon]

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=51887@kovr.dayport.com
the two am thing came from huckaby in her cbs raw interview... with other interspersed lies.. She also, in this call, said that she brought the child home but we found out today that tracy pd went to the park after her mother called 911. Lies and more lies from Ms Huckaby

We can only go on data reported by those other than MH. When her lips are moving, she's lying. Unless, she is admitting to being at the location of a crime.....

 

[KoldKase]

also...some of these drugs serve dual purposes - i.e. they can also be prescribed for stomach ailments; non-mental issues basically - so GPs can prescribe them. so if you know someone taking them it might not necessarily be because of depression or anxiety, it could be a physical ailment.

Now you've triggered my memory about something that had given me a WOW moment reading about Huckaby recently.

Someone in her family/friends--don't remember who--said she had a HISTORY of stomach ailments. I remember because my first reaction was to think of her recent hospital stay when it turns out she swallowed razor blades...allegedly.

It made me wonder if she actually had done that before.

Now I wonder if she was on meds for "stomach ailments", too. Which could lead to her having these types of pills we're discussing...?

 

[Kat]

Given that MH was very matter of fact during her interview (what portion we could hear before the cell phone died) and gave these details herself about this child, she sounds like an accomplished liar.

Smooth intonation. No up and down of the voice indicating anxiety of telling a lie, that we hear many times with ppl that are not liars of habit. Voice low, not contracted within the throat which creates a highter pitched voice and can be indicative of lying.

No, MH just tells the story, trying to explain it away, as if she is used to others listening to her excuses and accepting them at face value.

I mean after all, she is a woman with a young child herself no? She does teach Sunday School no? Why on earth would anyone ever doubt her when she tells a story about what "really" happened? :wink: (yes, I'm being sarcastic for once)

Yup, sociopathetic tendencies (I think you hit that nail on the head nurse!)

 

[Salem]

We can only go on data reported by those other than MH. When her lips are moving, she's lying. Unless, she is admitting to being at the location of a crime.....

Okay Snap - this is funny :crazy: and weird and true :clap:

She does lie about everything BUT being at the location of a crime scene. Is there a personality disorder for this? She doesn't admit she did it, just that she was there :waitasec:

Salem

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=51887@kovr.dayport.com
if you listen to when she talks about her grandparents "calling her" about the child being "missing" maybe this is when her lies overstepped her grandfather's boundaries. As according to reports today... the mother called cops and LE found Huckaby at the park with the child...

 

[nursebeeme]

Okay Snap - this is funny :crazy: and weird and true :clap:

She does lie about everything BUT being at the location of a crime scene. Is there a personality disorder for this? She doesn't admit she did it, just that she was there :waitasec:

Salem

LOL! Yes! It is like... give me credit for this crime! No DON'T! YES DO! NO DON'T~!

 

[Salem]

Good point Nurse! Is that when Grampa Lawless got his first clue? When he heard the interview of her lying about what happened with the first child in January? Interesting.......

Salem

 

[nursebeeme]

I agree it is very weird. I'm thinking Nurse is right and MH had just given the drug to the girl when the police found them at the park. She took the girl home right away. It was a couple of hours before they took the girl to the hospital. I think it was this delay - the couple of hours from the time the child was returned home until they went to the hospital - that resulted in no action by LE. I'm basing these thoughts on the information posted by Nurse earlier in this thread. So... then I speculate what happened after the girl got home?

Here's a scenario.......
Girl home at 5:30, drug starts to take effect and girl is out of it by 6:30. Mom is concerned, talks with Grandma? The wait a little longer, maybe there is no insurance? By 7:00, mom says that's it, I'm taking her to the hospital. They gather their things, get the child in the car, drive to hospital. It is now 7:30/7:45. Doc runs tests, says child has drugs in system. It is now probably 9:00/10:00 p.m. Mom calls police again. Child is still drugged up, police can't question her. They talk to mom and Grandma and get what info they can. Mom says yes, she has such drugs at home for her use. Police say maybe child took drug after she got home. Police talked to MH at park and everything seemed okay. MH immediately took girl home, so there is no real reason to suspect this mom who took a friend to the park to play with her daughter.

All just speculation on my part.

Salem

going with your theory.... could getting away with this... have emboldened Huckaby the second time with Sandra... ?????

 

[Kat]

escalation. We see it all the time with other cases where the perp escalates the intensity and the violence of crimes. JMHO

 

[elainebenice]

bold is mine. I couldn't belive it either (and glad I didn't):




http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstor...-Be-Link-to-Anot=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

I would think that if Police found the child slobbering and incoherent they would have followed up immediately.. that is telling me that the drug was given to her shortly before LE arrived and that it was a longer acting benzo that had a longer onset of action with a longer half life (see above post for long acting benzos). I am thinking..... and just nurse~like thinking that she was given Librium or Klonopin (maybe Ativan or Xanax) and I would place a bet, just a small bet, that Huckaby was on one of those drugs for bpd. (just a guess/thought)

I tend to agree with the type of benzo used here for a couple of reasons - 1) The apparent semi-normal state of the child when LE encountered the child (yes, making the assumption here that LE acted rationally/appropriately to their investigation discoveries). I must admit I have zero experience personal or 2nd hand with Rohypnol, but from everything I've ever read it appears to be a very unpredictable, fast-acting substance and a little goes a long way. This is pretty important when you are talking about a substance that has to be obtained in this country in a form that is NOT regulated or dispensed by any legal agent. When you compare this to any of the other regulated benzos, they are worlds apart. The "normal" benzos, valium, xanax, klonopin, etc are prescribed in numerous size dosages, ranging from super small to quite hefty. This removes much of the "guess work"/risk that would be involved if someone was trying to figure out the proper dosage for a person of a different size, i.e. a child. Also, it is very easy to build up a tolerance to benzos rather quickly. I'm not exactly sure where, if at all this may fit in this story, but I am keeping it in the back of my mind since the surprises keep coming in this case and there may be a history of this type of thing here.... 2) Compared to "normal" benzos, I think Rohypnol is exponentially harder to obtain for the vast majority of the country. It is not hard at all to obtain any of the "normal" benzos either legally via prescription or through other means. These drugs are widely prescribed and they are subsequently also widely abused/sold/available. I could be totally wrong here, but I am going with the least-complicated option in this case since it appears our perp had plenty of other balls to juggle without tossing Rohypnol in the mix.

 

[Salem]

going with your theory.... could getting away with this... have emboldened Huckaby the second time with Sandra... ?????

I think so. MH appears to have a history of getting away with stuff. Also, it appears to some extent, and I can't quite figure this out, that she likes to brag about the surrounding circumstances.

I mean why did she talk about the first child in Jan. And as Kat pointed, in such an even voice with no obvious signs of lying. And you pointed out all the lies about her grandparents calling her when actually the cops found her, etc. But in that interview, she made things sound so plausible. And then, she talks about the suitcase and the notes again, very smoothly. It is just like Snap was saying - lies about everything except being at the location of the crime. It is very strange to me and I can't figure out if it is all a bid for attention or what?

For awhile, I was thinking that she wanted to get caught. But then it dawned on me that if she wanted to get caught, she would NOT have wanted to do the crime in the first place. AND she had options. She had recently been to court and ordered to get in touch with mental health with an appointment on April 3rd. If she was having weird thoughts on March 27th, she could have called Mental Health and said I need to come in TODAY. She was court ordered, Mental Health would have had to see her. So.... I am now leaning towards the "attention" factor. She needs some kind of attention. The attention appears to be positive when she is giving details about the case in question. Doesn't turn negative until she is arrested.

Salem

 

[nursebeeme]

sorry for the confusion on BPD. I am a nurse and shorten everything. I HATE spelling out bipolar disorder LOL.. sorry.. BPD is typically used for borderline personality disorder.. Anything I posted with BPD I was referring to bipolar disorder, which is what, insofar, I could see Melissa being afflicted with.

But an excuse that does not make. For what she did!

 

[Kat]

I have had so much education about benzo's and other drugs tonight! Thank you all so much, it has been a lively and informative board tonight!

I'm going to hit the hay, but I wish each of you a good night and always "justice for sweet Sandra"

:seeya:

 

[goofeegyrl]

This hardly sounds like a mother who was off her game.

Thank You!!! :blowkiss:The sentiment that it is somehow the parents that are to blame because their girls were lured away and molested and/or killed.....seems a dangerous road to be going down.

 

[nursebeeme]

you sleep tight (((Kat)))!

 

[JoeFromLB]

I'm wondering if it actually was Sandra, and the press got the eye color wrong. Wouldn't be the first time they got facts wrong.

No, it sure wouldn't. I recall reading one of the news reports that had Sandra weighing 85 pounds, not 45. That's a sizable error, IMO.
I've also seen some reports that Brian Lawless, MH's father, was 45 years old. He's actually 48. It's MH's uncle, BRETT Lawless, who is 45-years old.

 

[JoeFromLB]

In the case of this seven year old girl.... we have to keep in mind that the mother called the cops back when she noticed her child acting drugged and then took her to the emergency room.

This hardly sounds like a mother who was off her game.

She suspected that Huckaby was responsible and reported it to the cops. The cops, due to the time lag, were not able to definately connect it to Huckaby. Hindsight.. I would have had LE searching her home, car, purse, etc for any sign of benzos... but since the child was brought home safely and with the time lag they let it go. I hope this is a learning point for any future aberrations such as this!

Oh, if that's true, that was a HUGE missed opportunity the TPD had to possibly connect MH to the drugging of that child. Who knows how things might have transpired if she had been caught back then.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part...

 

[xTiffanyTerror]

Thank You!!! :blowkiss:The sentiment that it is somehow the parents that are to blame because their girls were lured away and molested and/or killed.....seems a dangerous road to be going down.

I agree that it is great the mother took her child to the ER, definitely the right thing to do.

My issue with these mom's (IF the timelines we have so far are correct) is that 7 and 8 year old children IMO should not be allowed to wander around the neighborhood alone at all. A group of children is one thing, escorted by a sibling or parent etc. Four hours to me seems like a really large time frame to not know your child is missing....I mean consider how far someone could get with a child in 4 hours. Children being lured away from schools, yards etc is one thing but not knowing for 4 hours is quite another (to me anyways). From accounts I read of Sandra, she was supposedly always wandering around the park looking for kids to play with. IMO 8 years old is MUCH too young for that.

 

[goofeegyrl]

I agree that it is great the mother took her child to the ER, definitely the right thing to do.

My issue with these mom's (IF the timelines we have so far are correct) is that 7 and 8 year old children IMO should not be allowed to wander around the neighborhood alone at all. A group of children is one thing, escorted by a sibling or parent etc. Four hours to me seems like a really large time frame to not know your child is missing....I mean consider how far someone could get with a child in 4 hours. Children being lured away from schools, yards etc is one thing but not knowing for 4 hours is quite another (to me anyways). From accounts I read of Sandra, she was supposedly always wandering around the park looking for kids to play with. IMO 8 years old is MUCH too young for that.

I totally agree, xTT. My kids are never allowed out front alone even if they are together.