ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 44

[z0mer]

Unfortunately, it sounds like they were aiding him.

These are probably loving parents that are still in denial of the things their son (likely) did. I feel sorry for them as well.

 

[Copper107]

Of course and I wasn't asking anyone to justify their opinion. I was asking what they're basing their opinion on. Nothing wrong with asking that, imo.

I dig where you're coming from, just want a better insight. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

 

[Nova]

SBM

Wrong Mad Greek - here’s the 411 about the origins of the one here in Moscow:
Foodies Diary: Mad Greek, Moscow

There's nothing in that article that contradicts what I wrote. The original Mad Greek opened in Baker, CA in 1974. The Moscow branch opened fairly recently. That its owners previously operated a franchise in Alaska--beginning in 1998--doesn't change things.

I will agree that it looks like they've streamlined the menu since the last time I was at the Baker site. Or it may be the Baker diner is just a lot bigger. There's little in Baker other than a few restaurants, so perhaps the diner there carries a wider variety to accommodate travelers. But the strawberry milkshakes are a famous feature at both sites.

 

[Palinsmom]

STRICTLY OPINION:

I’m beginning to think he planned this all along including a variety of defense scenarios hoping that someone like Dr Katherine Ramsland would write a book about him.

That may not have been his original goal, but somewhere along his educational path while in college the more he learned about killers the more they began to intrigue him. If all the stories about him being awkward and not fitting in just imagine how superior he would feel ‘if a book was written about him and how clever he was and how many LE and FBI personnel were needed to apprehend him!’( my speculation on his feelings)

I don’t think it would matter who wrote the book, I used her name because of the college affiliation.

All just my opinion

 

[GMG1999]

I don't think he knew any of them well. And I think he "stalked" a lot more than just those 4. He knew them by sight, may have gone inside the house, but certainly had been in the neighborhood. I believe it's possible he is the source of some of the rumors about this case on other forums, as well. IMO.

I will be curious to see, now that they know his DNA, if he was involved in any previous crimes.

 

[CLGM]

I tried to pull together links to the court documents that are public so far, along with a couple links to statutes and information about the extradition process that smart WS people have provided.

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Repor...-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX+8jzutdrzM4A== (Docket Sheet)

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Repor...-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX+8jzutdrzM4A== (Court Summary Sheet)

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/CaseSearch

https://www.ogc.pa.gov/Extradition/Documents/Extradition Process Chart.pdf

- Sheriff

Section 9134 - Title 42 - JUDICIARY AND JUDICIAL PROCEDURE (PA Arrest prior to requisition statute)

https://pdc.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/IdahoCapitalCounselRoster20221215.pdf Idaho Capital Counsel Roster -- presumably one of these attorneys is likely to be BK's public defender?

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.tow...1ed-b2e2-8b7610d85499/63afd2cbb7165.image.jpg Police Criminal Complaint

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlP2wavaAAAcAT4?format=jpg&name=900x900 Affidavit of Probable Cause
Document faxed 12/30/22 at 6:37 am (I think it's 6:37, not 8:37). This was probably faxed to the court to be filed after arrest. These are arresting officers? Note that this is P. 004 of the document.

 

[Erutan]

Unfortunately, it sounds like they were aiding him.

At this time, LE said they're cooperating ; although the unnecessary trips the dad was taking to drive with BK from the parents' to the uni. is odd ?

Idaho 'killer's' family STAND BY criminologist accused in murders

The family of the man accused in the murder of four University of Idaho students is urging the public to presume he is innocent while saying they stand by him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The family of the suspected Idaho quadruple murderer has said it will stand by him, adding: 'We will love and support our son and brother'.

Bryan Kohberger's family addressed the charges, shared condolences to the victims families and asked for people to refrain from judgement.

Re. the purple bolded :
Not surprising at this point, many families are still in shock at this time.

Re. the green bolded :
Given the brutal and painful (torturous, imo !) manner of passing of Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan ... people are going to judge, at least the perp --- that's the nature of those who are horrified by the loss of four precious young people.
At the same time, this does not mean anyone from here is going to harass them in any way.
Most understand that criminals can come from close and loving families, and the blame afaik is solely on BK !

We are all waiting for updates from LE, and also trusting that they'll continue to handle this investigation with professionalism.
Considering the time of the murders until this recent arrest , LE moved fairly quickly !
I thought it would take longer than this, so I'm grateful.
M00.

 

[EBW321]

I agree completely with you! To respond to how could he do this so calmly knowing his family will suffer….if he is a sociopath, and my God he must be, he will have no empathy. His emotions will be shallow, his nerves will be pretty steady and he will enjoy risk taking. At least, that is my opinion of him. IMO. MOO.

MOO- I agree with you on call to dad that the car is trouble in efforts to get rid of it. If you recall the media reported the car was in his mothers name.

I agree. I’ll bet he called parents and said car is driving bad and or broke down and I think it’s best we just sell it.

Father gets concerned at his possible attempt to drive home across county in a car not capable of the long drive and concern financially of possibly having to get new car…. With maintenance background he probably thinks if he could see it in person he could possibly fix it and get a few more years out of the car. He then starts calling mechanic to research possible options and costs. In the meantime insists on flying in to help him drive it home in hopes to keep the car and fix it with money tight for family.

BK may not have been expecting father to offer to fly out to help with said broke down car …. Or his parents not going along with his idea of selling it , off of his word. Probably assumed they would say that’s fine. Get his mom to sign off on it.

Would explain how a criminology PhD student took the getaway car home and didn’t get rid of it quicker.

 

[AngTxGal]

I tried to pull together links to the court documents that are public so far, along with a couple links to statutes and information about the extradition process that smart WS people have provided.

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-45-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX+8jzutdrzM4A== (Docket Sheet)

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpCourtSummary?docketNumber=CP-45-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX+8jzutdrzM4A== (Court Summary Sheet)

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/CaseSearch

https://www.ogc.pa.gov/Extradition/Documents/Extradition Process Chart.pdf

- Sheriff

Section 9134 - Title 42 - JUDICIARY AND JUDICIAL PROCEDURE (PA Arrest prior to requisition statute)

https://pdc.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/IdahoCapitalCounselRoster20221215.pdf Idaho Capital Counsel Roster -- presumably one of these attorneys is likely to be BK's public defender?

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.tow...1ed-b2e2-8b7610d85499/63afd2cbb7165.image.jpg Police Criminal Complaint

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlP2wavaAAAcAT4?format=jpg&name=900x900 Affidavit of Probable Cause
Document faxed 12/30/22 at 6:37 am (I think it's 6:37, not 8:37). This was probably faxed to the court to be filed after arrest. These are arresting officers? Note that this is P. 004 of the document.

This should be posted in the media thread for this case

 

[jumpingjackflash]

This is a worthwhile read for those interested in the methods of Katherine Ramsland, the professor BK studied with at Desales in PA. She is known for cultivating a relationship with Dennis Rader (BTK) and subsequently publishing a book based on their exchanges that was 80% Rader's words. Apologies in advance for the paywall -- it is a NY Times article from 2016. Some notable quotes below.

NY Times: The Serial Killer's Co-Author

In her day job at DeSales, she oversees the master’s degree in the criminal-justice program that offers classes in criminology, ethics, forensics, criminal justice and criminal law. But she also has an astonishingly prolific sideline as a popular author, writing some 59 books on a variety of macabre subjects, including ghosts and ghost hunters.

...

Ramsland’s rationale in undertaking this unusual project was to overturn what she sees as clichés about serial killers, thereby deglamorizing them and better protecting the public from their depredations. And yet the project raises a host of intellectual and ethical questions — including whether it’s possible to uncover the whole truth about these horrifying crimes, and what might be the cost of letting killers tell their own stories.

...

Another question “Confession [of a Serial Killer]” has raised is about Rader’s veracity in his comments and how much it matters whether what he recounts is true. Through her daughter, Rader’s ex-wife, Paula Rader, contested two claims Rader makes in the book, particularly his accusation that she knew he was killing people while they were married. And several people who worked on the case have criticized Ramsland for giving Rader a platform, allowing him to portray himself as an evil genius.

 

[AngTxGal]

MOO- I agree with you on call to dad that the car is trouble in efforts to get rid of it. If you recall the media reported the car was in his mothers name.

I agree. I’ll bet he called parents and said car is driving bad and or broke down and I think it’s best we just sell it.

Father gets concerned at his possible attempt to drive home across county in a car not capable of the long drive and concern financially of possibly having to get new car…. With maintenance background he probably thinks if he could see it in person he could possibly fix it and get a few more years out of the car. He then starts calling mechanic to research possible options and costs. In the meantime insists on flying in to help him drive it home in hopes to keep the car and fix it with money tight for family.

BK may not have been expecting father to offer to fly out to help with said broke down car …. Or his parents not going along with his idea of selling it , off of his word. Probably assumed they would say that’s fine. Get his mom to sign off on it.

Would explain how a criminology PhD student took the getaway car home and didn’t get rid of it quicker.

Just curious why anyone assumes parents are having such a say in a 28 yr olds life??
He is a bit old, not 22 like BL

JMO

 

[acutename]

Moo-

From the very beginning I thought whoever did this did it alone due to the lack of evidence and no news or any clues of two being involved.

With such a giant investigative man hunt I assumed if it was two people one would get nervous , draw attention to their self under such fear of all the media and the entire area on a manhunt for whoever did this. The pressure in my mind would have cracked one of the two enough to hopefully make someone acquainted with them tip the police to them. Possibly one of them slip up and make a mistake which lead LE to them.

The more people involved, higher the potential of being caught. My opinion only.

For this alone… given how long it took to even find BK. I’ve always thought it was one person.

However… the comment he made after arrest… is just so unusual to me. Even for a highly intelligent murderer. I just find it odd and concerning.

I’m no longer so certain it was one person.

Still think it’s the most likely thing.

if there was evidence that he had a single current friend, I would consider it, IMO

 

[10ofRods]

From your link:

Angenette Levy
@Angenette5
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18m

LaBar said BK's father flew out to WA to drive back with to PA with him for Christmas break. However, LaBar said that was planned before BK went to WA for fall semester that dad would fly out and drive back with BK. Believes this happened between Dec. 13-16
@LawCrimeNetwork

So…I was definitely off the mark on this one!

Maybe. I"m not sure that the provider of the information is a reliable narrator. Not that it really matters at this point. I will sit on the fence on this one.

 

[Gardenista]

Reading about the serial killer book, BK's Amazon account might be interesting. Has anyone looked for it?

 

[CSIDreamer]

STRICTLY OPINION:

I’m beginning to think he planned this all along including a variety of defense scenarios hoping that someone like Dr Katherine Ramsland would write a book about him.

That may not have been his original goal, but somewhere along his educational path while in college the more he learned about killers the more they began to intrigue him. If all the stories about him being awkward and not fitting in just imagine how superior he would feel ‘if a book was written about him and how clever he was and how many LE and FBI personnel were needed to apprehend him!’( my speculation on his feelings)

I don’t think it would matter who wrote the book, I used her name because of the college affiliation.

All just my opinion

I'm getting that suspicion too.

 

[CLGM]

I tried to pull together links to the court documents that are public so far, along with a couple links to statutes and information about the extradition process that smart WS people have provided.

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpDocketSheet?docketNumber=CP-45-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX+8jzutdrzM4A== (Docket Sheet)

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Report/CpCourtSummary?docketNumber=CP-45-MD-0000682-2022&dnh=hkZjacBEVX+8jzutdrzM4A== (Court Summary Sheet)

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/CaseSearch

https://www.ogc.pa.gov/Extradition/Documents/Extradition Process Chart.pdf

- Sheriff

Section 9134 - Title 42 - JUDICIARY AND JUDICIAL PROCEDURE (PA Arrest prior to requisition statute)

https://pdc.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/IdahoCapitalCounselRoster20221215.pdf Idaho Capital Counsel Roster -- presumably one of these attorneys is likely to be BK's public defender?

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.tow...1ed-b2e2-8b7610d85499/63afd2cbb7165.image.jpg Police Criminal Complaint

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlP2wavaAAAcAT4?format=jpg&name=900x900 Affidavit of Probable Cause
Document faxed 12/30/22 at 6:37 am (I think it's 6:37, not 8:37). This was probably faxed to the court to be filed after arrest. These are arresting officers? Note that this is P. 004 of the document.

Adding this link which has four pages of the Criminal Complaint filed in Monroe County, PA (not just page 004). [deleted link; finding a different one]

I saw somebody suggested this go on the media page. As a (non-practicing) attorney, I can't bring myself to post links to court filings with the daily mirror articles....

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

That’s because blood samples are more expensive to procure. Requires a human with specific training who are limited and not always available. They cost more money. It ruins some patients experience because they are afraid of a blood draw. So it takes more time. So the lab can’t take as many samples as they could by just having someone spit in a tube.

They are in the business of making money after all.

Technology has come a long way to allow for the use of the relatively non invasive saliva to provide a dna profile.

But make no mistake about it. A pin needle drop of Saliva is in no way comparable to a pin needle size of Blood. You’ll always need a larger sample with Saliva and at crime scenes it’s not always as identifiable for sampling since it’s largely invisible. So most of the samples are blind.

That of course doesn’t mean it wasn’t saliva. It just makes it less likely that it was that. And if we are to believe reports/LE that there was no kind of SA that rules out sperm. And considering the profile you can extract from hair. That leaves blood or skin cells being the most likely sources of the DNA.

There have been studies where only 0.25ml was taken from (A pretend victim's) skin and that was enough to complete DNA fingerprinting. The DNA also lasts around 96 hours in saliva.
But its not just saliva that can be used. like you mentioned sperm, hair and blood. Yet, sweat can be used as well.
Even earwax.
To complete a DNA fingerprinting, it doesnt necessarily need to be a complete dna profile, sometimes just a partial one gives enough evidence when compared to the victims, housemates etc that they can be mostly certain of which specimen is the killer. Then all they need to do is surveillance and hope the suspect drops a cigarette, leaves a cup on the table in starbucks or uses a tissue etc. Then compare that to the partial DNA and you could easily find a match or not. DNA is unique to each person and so it is not that hard to comapre.

 

[Peppery]

Just curious why anyone assumes parents are having such a say in a 28 yr olds life??
He is a bit old, not 22 like BL

JMO

If they own the car, he can’t decide to sell it without their permission and signatures, imo

 

[bestill]

He probably wanted his car when he got home so he could do things. Sure, he could have flown and then used his parents' cars, but if they are working during the day, it would have just left him home all day with no car in a rural area.
He had income. He was a TA. He had loans and other financial aid. He also had a dog, who would have had to be boarded. I really don't see anything sinister in driving the car home. Remember, he didn't think he was going to get caught. He thought he was smarter than cops or even FBI. If he was worried about his car being found, he could have rented a storage space or left it at the airport. He didn't think he would get caught.

BBM I didn't know that he has a dog. To me this is the reason why he chose to drive home. The fact that his dad joined him on the drive back to Pa doesn't bother me at all. Maybe the dog is too big to crate or travel with? JMO

 

[EBW321]

Just curious why anyone assumes parents are having such a say in a 28 yr olds life??
He is a bit old, not 22 like BL

JMO

Moo-

My opinion of parents having a say is purely based off of an interview I saw on the news where it was mentioned his car was in mothers name. She owns the car, so he can’t sell it or get rid of it legally without telling her.

Also, I know plenty of people in phd graduate school programs aged 26-30 who could not work and student loans didn’t cover complete living expenses. So trips home for Christmas and car fixes were usually paid for by parents.

I know it sounds odd.

But you’d be shocked by the number of 30 and under young adults still being financially supported by their families. Especially those in school still trying to get advanced degrees.

Again, I could be way way off… and completely wrong.

Was just throwing out ideas.