I don't understand 4d. Could you explain it again?To follow-up on on of my earlier posts, I still have absolutely no strong opinions on who exactly could have done this, but have a lot of theories. Some points:
1) The killer could have been solo, or there could have possibly been 2 people. But, I lean more towards a solo killer. It would have been a lot easier for one person to have done this quickly, left the house, and then subsequently left the area without attracting any/a lot of attention - than for 2 people to have done this. It's also a lot easier for one person to do a crime like this & keep their mouth shut - than for 2 people to keep quiet about this.
2) I lean towards the killer being male, but am open to the possibility of a female. Whether male or female, I strongly suspect the person was physically powerful/strong.
3) I don't believe the killer/killers knew about the 2 surviving victims on the bottom floor. Or, if they did know about the 2 survivors, they were rushed and didn't have time for them. Or, maybe they tried the door & since it was locked, didn't want to take the time/energy to break down the door (which would cause a lot of noise)/pick the lock and risk the 2 waking up & being able to fight back, etc. But, I'm leaning toward the idea that they were unaware these 2 were in the house.
4) As far as who did this & what the motive was?! I have no single, definitive theory. It's possible that this was:
a) Someone known to one or more of the 4 in the group, who was enraged about a real or perceived slight/insult/rejection/etc. Maybe they were fuming about this for a long time, until they finally exploded.
b) Going along with the above: The killer could have been a stalker of one (or more) of the girls, that escalated to murder.
c) Or, it's possible they were not known by anyone in the group. They could have been a local person/persons in the town/area who were angry/jealous about these attractive young people with seemingly bright futures, and decided to lash out.
d) However, it's also possible this was a beginning?! serial killer/killers who did know who lived in the house but may never have met any of them & didn't have anything against any of them specifically. They may have just decided to assault the 4 just because they are a malicious psychopath/psychopaths.
e) They may have been a local. Or, they may have been a drifter/drifters who was/were passing through town & maybe stayed for a brief period.
In other words, IMHO this could have been anyone.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was X and ENever heard about defensive wounds on E.
If only killers would take their own life forces rather than 4 innocent victims.And exhausted. I have heard that it takes tremendous energy, whether physical or emotional to kill a person and often times, the very “life force” is sucked out of a killer
^^(my bold) if they were worried...saving lives, rather than getting in trouble, would make the most sense. The only people who would worry about police, if drugs were in the house...would be a drug dealer. These kids weren't that. They couldn't get in trouble for being too drunk in their beds. A boyfriend/girlfriend locking the bedroom door is normal, if not expected. But getting worried that you couldn't rouse them, would probably make you want to go check on the other people who live there, I would guess.If they didn't actually see the person, and were just worried because they weren't responding, then yeah, I definitely get calling friends first. First, if it's just a case of being really drunk and passed out, you don't want to get them in trouble. Second, this has been described as a party house. If you know or suspect there may be drugs in the house, the last thing you want is police poking around.
Maybe a red led headlamp on its lowest setting?If it is so dark, how did the killer see to get around esp in a wooded area where walking is difficult.
it would seem that having a light would not be something a stealth killer would have on
It's amazing to me that all these news outlets have these so called crime experts that all say different things. Some say it was a stranger, some say it was someone they knew, some say it was a serial killer, some say it was angry ex and on and on. When in reality they probably don't know any more about this case than any member on here (probably less lol). So, what they are doing is basically pushing their theory. The problem with that is that because they are labeled an expert people tend to believe what they are saying. Right now there is probably one person who really knows what happened that night. The killer. So while we can theorize and try to figure things out, the truth won't come out until they are caught, and maybe even then we may not know the whole story. But I feel it's wrong for these experts to push their theories as fact before we really know anything at all. That is why I like this site so much. Any member can theorize about what happened, and add their own unique insight while other members can question, add their own insight, or agree, but no one is pushing their narrative as fact.
It doesn’t make much sense. If you have a target, you go in, kill your target. The coroner said they were all likely asleep when they were attacked. I know there’s speculation that someone ended up on the floor in a room, which may have happened after they were attacked, they could’ve still been alive and tried to get help. If we believe her, then no one was woken up, went to investigate and then was killed to eliminate witnesses.If one victim was targeted, then the other three were collateral damage. I can't make sense of that.
I’ll try to find it but I have not seen it as well. I think it was said to be one of the surviving roommates that posted it at one time. Everyone has set their social media accounts to private except for M&K’s so it would not be possible to pull it up.Link please? I have heard that rumor but I don’t think it is a fact.
Maybe they could make an animal rescue/shelter out of it. Given the trees many a pup could run and play there while awaiting their forever home. Not to discriminate against cats because they would surely benefit too. IMOA little off topic from the 12 threads but wonder what will become of that house. Will then end up tearing it down…I highly doubt someone would ever want to live there. I’ve seen stories of other famous crime houses but this one hits differently. Just a weird situation for the property owner now.
The killer couldn’t find the target is my guess, that’s why the scene was likely messyIt doesn’t make much sense. If you have a target, you go in, kill your target. The coroner said they were all likely asleep when they were attacked. I know there’s speculation that someone ended up on the floor in a room, which may have happened after they were attacked, they could’ve still been alive and tried to get help. If we believe her, then no one was woken up, went to investigate and then was killed to eliminate witnesses.
So if you have one target and everyone else is sleeping and can’t see you, why do you kill 4 people instead of the one. I can get on board with the killer mixing up Maddie and Kaylee if one of them were the targets, but Xana and Ethan couldn’t get mixed up with them.
You very well could be right! And I’m sure everything plays apart on why they are so sure it was “ targeted “ but from what I’ve gathered, Ethan and Xana lived on the second floor in apartment 2B. From recent pictures , it appears as if surviving Roommate D lived in room 2A on the same floor. The idea had been that both surviving roommates had been on the first floor and therefore could simply been overlooked by the killer. But a roommate being present on the SAME floor as the murder, I think changes ALOT MOOI have read numerous times that "targeted" is due to that there was no evidence of forced entry...(I know..I know..it doesn't make sense to me)
I heard Snell say it today in an interview...
It’s possible that the surviving roommates saw that their other roommates cars were in the driveway/parking lot, but they weren’t answering when they knocked on their doors and the doors were locked. The surviving roommates may never have seen them, they just knew they were in the rooms not responding. So they call friends in a panic (perhaps too scared to call 911 initially because they don’t want to overreact if it’s just someone passed out from drugs/alcohol). I’m thinking it’s highly possible that E’s siblings were one of the friends called to come over, which might explain why E’s parents said 2 of their triplets were there and are who called them to deliver the terrible news.If they didn't actually see the person, and were just worried because they weren't responding, then yeah, I definitely get calling friends first. First, if it's just a case of being really drunk and passed out, you don't want to get them in trouble. Second, this has been described as a party house. If you know or suspect there may be drugs in the house, the last thing you want is police poking around.
I wonder ,too. People do move into murder houses, but this situation of it being for campus housing, I doubt if parents would give their kids money to live there
so the owner loses the money because the house now has no value?
Yeah they’ve been locking them down. If it’s no longer available and it wasn’t reported by LE or MSM, we can’t talk about it as if were a fact. If something is just your opinion, you can state it and make sure to clarify it is your opinion only. Basically, if there isn’t a link, it’s not a fact here on WebsleuthsI’ll try to find it but I have not seen it as well. I think it was said to be one of the surviving roommates that posted it at one time. Everyone has set their social media accounts to private except for M&K’s so it would not be possible to pull it up.
I’m sorry! I had been trying to be careful how I worded things stating that I read it or what have You-Yeah they’ve been locking them down. If it’s no long available and it wasn’t reported by LE or MSM, we can’t talk about it as if we’re a fact. If something is just your opinion, you can state it and make sure to clarify it is your opinion only. Basically, if there isn’t a link, it’s not a fact here on Websleuths
And welcome!