Because normal defense wounds to the hands/ arms in a stabbing are cuts not bruising.How so?
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Because normal defense wounds to the hands/ arms in a stabbing are cuts not bruising.How so?
I agree, I don't think any of them were up long enough to get a handle on the situation and make the necessary moves to get help.Interesting hypothesis, but I feel that if any of them were awake enough to get up and defend themselves against a single perpetrator that one or more would have escaped or had time to call someone. Likewise, I imagine the girls under them would have heard some screams or similar.
My opinion.
Because normal defense wounds to the hands/ arms in a stabbing are cuts not bruising.
If the court allows everything that was said by a coroner and LE during a press release to the public , we will never be able to jail murderers. There’s a reason why certain wording were “we believe” “we do not believe at the moment” vague and it gives room for error.I'm with you on LE always not always being forthcoming and withholding key bits of evidence and information, but they are not going to say things like they were likely asleep if they weren't in fact likely asleep. A defense attorney would have a field day with things like that if they weren't factual.
My opinion.
I agree. Jodi Arias and Courtney Clenney come to mind.Not assuming a male here. Anecdotally, we were eating at a sports bar a couple of days ago, and they happened to have womens MMA on the TV. I have no doubt a female could do this
If Murphy was in the house throughout the attacks, then I wonder if he was there throughout the evening. We know K and M were away from roughly 10 pm until just before 2 am (at a downtown bar and then food truck) and that E and X were away from 9 pm until 1:45 am for the sorority and Sigma Chi parties (although don’t have confirmation either or both were away all of that time) and we know the surviving roommates were out and returned around 1 am.Just a thought. Woke up in the middle of the night and started thinking about the dog. On Fox last night, with Lawrence Jones, he specifically asked if the dog was in the house the whole time and the State Police spokesperson said “Yes” <modsnip - off limits> My reasoning is because whoever this was did NOT hurt Murphy. I also believe that the killer was familiar to Murphy and liked him.
I don’t remember this from the early-days of the investigation. I looked in the media thread and didn’t see it but I could have missed it.
Was there being a struggle prior to the murders ever retracted by LE? If not, this is a huge piece of of the puzzle. But again, I don’t remember this. Story was done 6 days after the incident.
Very true. Until someone has been in their same exact shoes, we wouldn’t begin to know what was going through their mind. Like you, I got a phone call on a Sunday evening that my siblings spouse committed suicide and I needed to come quickly. I don’t recall too much of what I did immediately after the phone call, but I remember finding myself minutes later literally walking in circles from room to room not being able enough of mind to change out of my pajamas, get dressed, find my car keys and go to her aid. It’s a vivid memory I have because usually I can step into action pretty quickly. My mind was paralyzed and I went in circles for I don’t know how long. For some reason after I circled for I don’t know how long ..I checked on my cats, cleaned their litter box and filled their bowls. My husband finally pulled me back into reality and helped me get dressed and shoved me in the car. People do weird things when faced with the unimaginable,I think the puppy hid in fear. Animals can sense death and predators and I’ve seen dogs hide during violence.
I think the survivors could have been having trauma responses and how they reacted to the trauma shouldn’t be considered through a logic lens. When we are in fight, flight or freeze mode our frontal lobes/ logic brains aren’t in control. Once I got a call about a death and it literally took my brain a few minutes before I could process what the caller was saying. To see what they might have seen, I can only imagine it was difficult to think/ process/ make sense of what they saw. So calling friends makes sense to me.
We have been over this 1000 times. The coroner said they were likely asleep when attacked. Not when they died. Being attacked with a large knife, or sleeping next to somebody who is attacked with a large knife, is likely to wake somebody up.Everyone, including X, was likely asleep according to the coroner. Following that, defensive wounds would've likely been instinctive and involuntary, or she could have been minimally conscious for a brief period of time. In any case, she didn't get up to fight anyone off, according to official reports.
If the court allows everything that was said by a coroner and LE during a press release to the public , we will never be able to jail murderers.
There is a reason incorrect info are circulated by LE, they want a killer to come out with an information only a killer would know. MOO
I have read what the coroner have said and what LE had relayed to the public. There’s a reason their language is strategically worded. They didn’t say this for a “fact”, for example the coroner said they were “likely” asleep. She didn’t say it as 100% factual. Same with LE, their words always contains “we believe” “we do not believe” vague and not 100% certainty.Of course the court would allow official public statements to be admissible! Why would a court not allow potentially exculpatory evidence for a defense attorney? Because LE tells the judge "we lied just to catch him!"? That's not how it works. I mean, sure, the courts have ruled that LE can lie to a suspect in an interrogation, but a court can't exclude LE statements of fact, whether relayed to the public or otherwise.
There was an obituary for M in the Coeur d'Alene News-Press. It says that there will be a Celebration of Life for all four victims on Friday, Dec 2 in Post FallsIn a press conference, it was confirmed by LE that all victims were release to their respective family but only seen Ethan funerals on the news. Has any of the girls family held a funeral yet? Is it open casket ? Im wondering about their body conditions as it may give some clues who the main target was.
Going to need a source on that, because to me if someone is on top of someone stabbing them with a great deal of force - which it would have to be a great deal of force - and someone reflexively put their arms up to defend themselves, then bruising would certainly be possible (if not a virtual certainty).
My opinion.
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Sigh. I cannot find anything to support date and time for sorority dance EC attended. NYTimes article says evening of the 12th, but is just quoting SC.
Agree! I can see them giving misleading information for a specific purpose; I don't see any reason why they would be doing that with this statement.I'm with you on LE always not always being forthcoming and withholding key bits of evidence and information, but they are not going to say things like they were likely asleep if they weren't in fact likely asleep.