ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 23

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Departement Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[Sillybilly]

Please read The Rules (linked in my signature), and continue discussion here.

Also, for anyone other than victims or an officially named POI/suspect, use initials or your post will be removed.

No sleuthing or insinuations/accusations against anyone who is not officially named a POI/suspect by LE.

 

[Sillybilly]

Admin Note > Horse's mouth:

LE has said the skinned dog is not related.

Detectives are aware of a Latah County Sheriff’s Office incident of the report of a skinned dog and have determined it is unrelated to this incident. Contact Latah County Sheriff’s Office for further details. Additionally, Detectives are also aware of a Moscow Police incident of the report of deceased animals left on a resident’s property. This was determined to be wildlife activity and unrelated to the incident.

Members have been advised before not to discuss it any further. If you still wish to discuss it further, call the Sheriff's Office but don't post about it here or you may lose posting privileges.

Thank you.

 

[Sillybilly]

The following Johnny Law youtube was originally posted by Mayboy1998 earlier today but because it was not a podcast host we were familiar with and we did not have time to view it in its entirety, it was removed. Having now had time to view it, it is being approved on a one-time basis because it does seem to provide an excellent analysis of the layout of the house, where individuals may have been sleeping, and it speaks to the location of the red liquid in relation to the overall layout of the house.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is open again.

When someone posts a rumor, please do NOT respond. Just Report and let us nip it in the bud.

Responding makes a lot of extra work for us, and we get cranky when we have to read through almost an entire thread to find and clean up 25+ responses about something that should never have been posted in the first place.

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[Sillybilly]

Thread 13, post #977 has the pic with obvious berries on the tree right next to the deck.

Sorry, can't get it to link.

We don't quote post numbers because those can change over time due to Mods having to remove posts.

The following will help everyone know how to quote a post from elsewhere and then your link will not change due to moderation:

How to Quote a Post from Another Thread

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This post lands at random

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[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Stop bringing rumors into this discussion, and stop stating opinion as fact.

There is no approved source to support that EC was found in the hallway.

Mods have had to remove or modsnip tons of posts based on members discussing "whispers" (i.e RUMORs) and/or members theories that contain information as fact when such "fact" is actually based on rumor.

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[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

WS requires links to information stated as fact. What you "heard somewhere" or "read somewhere" "think I heard" etc is NOT an approved source. If you can't link it, you can't post it.

No link, no post !!

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Reddit is not an approved source and rumors are not allowed at Websleuths.

Next member to bring Reddit or rumors to this thread will get a 1 week TO.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Little rumor, big rumor .. doesn't matter. A rumor is a rumor. Don't bring them to Websleuths.

Also, at Websleuths every family member, every parent, friend, etc. is considered a victim unless they are an officially named POI or suspect. If parents don't go public and give interviews, people think that's not right. If they give interviews, people think that's not right. You aren't in their shoes ... lay off the criticism of how those innocent people may or may not be reacting during their time of grief.

And, it's been said many, many times, stop the generalized LE bashing.

Thousands of members every day have no problem posting in accordance with our rules and policies. Please post responsibly and respectfully.

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[Knitty]

MOD NOTE:

You may discuss what the father says in any of his interviews. You may choose to believe him or not to believe him. The father has whatever information that LE has chosen to tell him - and that may or may not be complete information. The father may have a POI in mind, but that does not mean that the person is actually a POI.

You may NOT take what the father says in his interviews and use it to discuss, sleuth, or accuse anyone who has not been declared a POI or suspect by LE. Websleuths' policy is and always has been that those not named POI are not to be sleuthed.

 

[Celt1997]

This case just gets stranger and stranger with things. From the LE communication being all over the place, to the removal of the Zillow listings, and now Google maps doing the "blur" thing on a Street View picture from 2021? I can't recall such an odd investigation.

 

[LizWords]

I think SG hiring a private detective is a good thing. If I were in his position, I also would want to have far more information than LE is able to provide to him. Hopefully it give him a sense of being able to do something, and also prevent him from desperately discussing online rumors on national TV.

 

[SMK777]

I think SG hiring a private detective is a good thing. If I were in his position, I also would want to have far more information than LE is able to provide to him. Hopefully it give him a sense of being able to do something, and also prevent him from desperately discussing online rumors on national TV.

How much access are private detectives allowed to police information?

 

[Jealoushe]

How much access are private detectives allowed to police information?

It's up to the police what they share. Usually depending on the department, they welcome the help from the PI. However, it might not be the case in this scenario.

 

[ashhouston]

seems a bit early to have a PI and I've never trusted PIs they're a bit of gritters scammers get paid a lot to do nothing really I mean we're not looking for an old high school friend we're in the middle of a homicide of four people a PI can't do anything but talk to people that im sure FBI state police have already done and are still doing forensics takes time its a party house so many fingerprints and DNA it's already going to take a bit to sort out that mess. The dad shouldn't be talking about details so much don't think it's helping them might trigger the suspect to cover his track's and cause the internet rumor mill to intensify ruining innocent peoples lives and have his picture and address put out.

 

[hopewell]

I wonder if it could have been say, a member of the Latin Kings or similar, who was at either the bar or the frat house, and was rejected and had his ego crushed? I say this because they are known to be quick-tempered and violent if offended and/or their turf is crossed, and the kind of violence displayed here is indicative of someone like that (or a serial killer). I can't think of someone who is otherwise 'normal' losing his chit in a one-off crime of this type and magnitude.

In my view, this was not perpetrated by someone who hasn't yet had the kind of life experience to be so sadistic and depraved. I am not thinking a college kid, even if troubled, could have such developmental outliers at this point in his life. Not impossible, but unlikely.

My opinion.

 

[dotr]

BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 12/6/22 rbbm,

Slain Idaho students might have "enraged" the killer, says ex-FBI profiler

One of the four victims reportedly had "significantly more brutal" injuries, but an expert says it's important not to "overinterpret" the information.

www.newsweek.com

''One of the slain University of Idaho students who reportedly had more brutal injuries may have "enraged" the killer, according to a former FBI profiler.''

''Earlier this week, it was reported that Goncalves had injuries that were "significantly more brutal" than Mogen's.''

''The friends were killed in the same room on the house's third floor, prompting speculation that Goncalves was the killer's target. But Gregg McCrary, a former FBI profiler, told NewsNation that may not be the case.''

One theory is that Goncalves' "excessive" wounds indicate she was the target. But McCrary said he worked on other cases of multiple murders where the victim subjected to the most violence was not the target.

"It was the person who had put up the most resistance and enraged the killer, so...the killer inflicted more wounds on that person, even though that person wasn't specifically targeted," he said.

"So we could be dealing with anything like that. So it's important not to get tunnel vision on a given hypothesis, important to have multiple competing hypotheses and then let the evidence sort that out and support one and maybe dismiss the other."

 

[LizWords]

It's up to the police what they share. Usually depending on the department, they welcome the help from the PI. However, it might not be the case in this scenario.

I would imagine that the PI will probably investigate and clear people just like LE has. I doubt LE will provide him much access to their investigative info, but the PI can find out what food truck hoodie guy's alibi is and give SG and his family some faith that they truly aren't suspects.

TBH, if I were in SG's shoes, I also would want to know what sort of alibi a lot of these people have. I feel bad for the food truck guy, and I don't think SG intended to reignite crazy rumors.

Hopefully whoever he hires will also help advise him as to what information to share with the public and how to share it. He needs help, and I hope he finds it.