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I’m wondering if they had the car at the A&W and saw it take a right from Taylor onto 95S. So they made that road the east border of the grid. They may not have been able to identify the make and model initially.Good job by the station clerk. However I find it astounding that LE had not canvassed the area for all available video immediately after the murders. I trust this is not an indication of the other facets of the investigation.
That time stamp 3:45 next to a picture of I don't know what which has a time of 3:26 underneath. This case...Good job by the station clerk. However I find it astounding that LE had not canvassed the area for all available video immediately after the murders. I trust this is not an indication of the other facets of the investigation.
Also, it's very likely that the last phone calls to Jack would be when they were already in bed together. At least what I think if the timeline of the murders at 3:00-4:00 AM is accurate.JMO Wouldn’t be surprised if M and K fell asleep much faster if they had consumed alcohol earlier.
Well, since I’m fairly certain the police would have already spoken to any owners of that type of vehicle in the Moscow vicinity BEFORE reaching out to the public, I think we can deduce that this is potentially NOT one of those individuals (otherwise that person would certainly have told police they were out and about that night and drove here and there).Or coindidentally a white sedan went zipping by a mobil station at 3:45 and was completely unrelated... hmmm
And, if you are correct, it may have been done to avoid cctv at the corner of Taylor and 95.interesting map directions says Taylor to 95 then left on styner but U can bypass that and go right to styner by making a right on Lauder from Taylor. If im a local driver im taking this way. if im following directions its different. Wonder which way they went
If you watch the video in the Fox story they state car turned onto a side street, so I think that this was perp going to King Rd house...not leaving.Or coindidentally a white sedan went zipping by a mobil station at 3:45 and was completely unrelated... hmmm
Yes, but at “what point” were they stabbed in the chest and other vital areas? Perhaps the killer began stabbing randomly and during the fray they received the subsequent stab wounds to the chest? Some may have been inflicted while they were prone and in bed, others while they were standing or kneeling on the bed attempting to fend off the attacker. I highly doubt they just laid there and let it happen, tried to hide under the covers or play dead. Even highly inebriated and tired people would be jolted into a state of some clarity and lucidity by the rush of adrenaline and norepinephrine alone. MOOHave been faithfully following since beginning, but have absolutely had to skip a lot of pages, so I don't mean to be a newcomer to already asked and answered inquiries, but:
1) Has it been confirmed that the J being repetitively called by K&M was, in fact, K's ex?
2) I don't know many people who sleep on their backs (including myself), though I know some do. But what are the odds that ALL 4 of the victims were sleeping on their backs (considering they all were stabbed in the chest)? It's just an odd detail that my brain refuses to let go of...
This is missing one key piece - LE likely did not know about the vehicle being by the victim’s house before an eye witness told them about it. So, watching the videos a month ago would have shown a whole lot of nothing.Shoe leather. Should have come knocking. It's just over a mile in the dead of a November Sunday night, not many out -- an open business.
there are so many implications with this...clearly premeditated and M and K would not have been followed directly from the bar..also if on the way to murder than killer not watching from windows across the street. I hope they get a plate #...If you watch the video in the Fox story they state car turned onto a side street, so I think that this was perp going to King Rd house...not leaving.
Agreed, which is why the LE statements (Coroner, etc) that they were attacked while asleep and that the wounds were to the chest and upper body is confusing to me...much like the rest of this case. MOO.Yes, but at “what point” were they stabbed in the chest and other vital areas? Perhaps the killer began stabbing randomly and during the fray they received the subsequent stab wounds to the chest? Some may have been inflicted while they were prone and in bed, others while they were standing or kneeling on the bed attempting to fend off the attacker. I highly doubt they just laid there and let it happen, tried to hide under the covers or play dead. Even highly inebriated and tired people would be jolted into a state of some clarity and lucidity by the rush of adrenaline and norepinephrine alone. MOO
True but you'd have gone & collected all footage at big stores, gas stations close to the murder scene & which were open at 3am on 13th just because there's so few public cameras in that area.This is missing one key piece - LE likely did not know about the vehicle being by the victim’s house before an eye witness told them about it. So, watching the videos a month ago would have shown a whole lot of nothing.
2) I don't know many people who sleep on their backs (including myself), though I know some do. But what are the odds that ALL 4 of the victims were sleeping on their backs (considering they all were stabbed in the chest)? It's just an odd detail that my brain refuses to let go of...
It is heartbreaking. I've wondered from the first time I read about how K & M spent the hours before going home at a local bar, and how that day there was a Big Home Game with hundreds and hundreds of people from out of town (as well as sorority & fraternity events being hosted), whether something happened that made them uncomfortable and/or someone slipped them something that made them feel off during that time.It’s heartbreaking. I don’t know if this was the typical or atypical contact behavior. Maybe something odd happened earlier in the night. One girl woke up and thought about an earlier event in the night ‘oh no’ I think this could be trouble… she asks her friend who agrees and they call J to ask his opinion?
Wasn’t speculating at all and if so I’m aware it should be on the D threadthis is a good point and speculation about Delphi belongs over there, but it touches on the idea that often those closest to a murderer have no idea that their loved one could be capable of such evil. RA was just so nice and helpful at the CVS...chilling.