I totally agree. I've lost track of how the discussion of sealing got started. I thought we were speculating about things they may have told fellow cult members after this article about their extreme religious beliefs came out:
A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News
Here's an interesting quote from the article (BBM):
In some of these groups, tied into this belief is the idea that a man and a woman might be destined to be together, even if that person is married to someone else. Like multiple probations, this is not a Latter-day Saint belief.
Contrary to LDS norms, Amber said her husband began to take another married woman to a Latter-day Saint temple to receive revelation from God. Temples are places of worship for Latter-day Saints where members perform marriage ceremonies and do spiritual work.
“These people go to the temple and make promises to be together,” Amber said. “They pray about it and feel like they are getting answers.”
In interviews with other former members of these groups, some said things went beyond just temple trips. One east Idaho man, who asked not to be identified, told EastIdahoNews.com that during his time in a group, he was approached by someone who claimed to have received personal revelation that he was supposed to marry the man’s wife.
Thanks for bringing forth the quotes from "Amber", because I was forgetting where we had seen the information that some apostates believed in "DIY sealing", on some sort of mushy-gushy modern apostate nonsense ("married in our hearts" or similar).
But you are right, that's the premise.
IMO, I still think it works for Chad and Lori's weirdness, whether or not LDS doctrine permits it.
I hope for the kids sakes he’s right. IMO there’s no reason for not showing a picture of the children holding a dated piece of newspaper...unless they look abused/neglected/dead. I hope that’s not the case but I don’t believe a word any of them says. If they do turn up safe I really hope someone prevents him publishing a book on it. They should not be allowed to profit from any of this. MOO
I call this the "kick-the-can-down-the-road" defense. "All will become clear in time", boogity-woogity claptrap.
IMO, CD and LV's lawyer(s) have got nuttin' to say about missing kids that will enlighten any of us or relieve our minds; but the coconspirators would "sure as their eventual destinations in hell" like us to think so, to muddy the waters until trial.
"If you can't dazzle them with knowledge, then baffle them with BS".
Well, here's the thing. When Lori married LaGioia in 1995, her name was still Cox. That is from the record on the marriage it says Lori Cox - so was she really married before? Who knows. BTW, I am referencing marriage number one........LaGioia is number two just to clarify.
Yeah, I'm going along with Lori getting pregnant out of wedlock if these dates are right. We also know (I think directly from CR) that he was officially adopted by JR, FWIW.
Sure, I am new to WS but not unfamiliar with certain aspects of this case. It is complex and the reasons I was drawn to elements of the case are similar to why others were drawn to follow this story. For me personally and professionally, several reasons come to mind: my previous experience working in journalism (specifically investigative journalism i.e., Nate Eaton and staff, Justin Lum and staff), my personal experience as a member of the LDS church (though not an active, current member), and I have raised children of my own. Again, my opinion only.
Not our POI but a byproduct of the major players, Tylee was not legally an adult, but, based on what we have all learned publicly at this point, she lived in a dysfunctional family environment. Even before her stepfather was killed, we have publicly available evidence that her biological mother could be considered mentally unstable, based in part on court documents provided to media. We have also learned that Tylee Ryan’s biological father, Joseph Ryan, died, allegedly from a heart attack in the first quarter of 2018. Just based on that information, Tylee Ryan has only half (50%) support system, based on the role that her biological parents played in her life.
From court records, we can also learn that there was a contentious court battle fought for Tylee for custody between LV and JR. It is documented and, it is my opinion, that the reason JR fought hard for custody was because he had been raised as a foster child, as was his sister, Ann(a) or Ann(e)? Cushing(?)
Well, if you look, not only the court records with CV and JR but a long history. But, looking out for the minor kids, I think it possible that Tylee was placed into a position of acting in a more adult role. MOO
The long form interview Justin Lum did with CR, Colby as good as says that Tylee placed herself in the position and relished it, to the point where she would indeed butt heads with CV.
CR strikes me as a rather tame and rules-abiding individual with more than the U.S. standard level of devotion to his religion (large cross prominently displayed in his living room along with interview). I can see where, as such an obedient individual, his worldview may slant more towards thinking that Charles as "the father" was right and that Tylee was taking too much upon herself; so grain of salt as to the phrasing he chose here.
However, he was also definitively clear that Tylee would have gone wherever JJ went.
. He was also clear that he and Tylee had been in touch discussing "mentor-like" topics via text, etc., and that all of a sudden these discussion tips stopped, and he couldn't rouse her text thread anymore.
See that's also the part I don't understand in this. The reason for getting rid of the dog. Maybe she really was ignorant about laws that allow service dogs? Maybe she didn't want to keep caring for the dog? I'm at a bit of a loss in that regard.
Yeah, I'm not sure what her actual problem is and we may never know, except possibly that she was trying to get a hold of $$ (penny-wise, pound-foolish, is my mother's mantra), and the clever service dog trainer foiled her.
I don't know for certain, of course. This is always a wildcard. But I suspect that it will go much like when other prophesies (including those of JR) failed to materialize: there might be efforts to explain the non-ending, perhaps a re-worked chronology, most will probably figure they've been led astray and try to get back to normal life somehow.
And sometimes, it destroys families for entire generations (Tara Westover's "Educated" is a good read on this).
You may have a point, and maybe I am reading too much into that comment/being overly PC, but I just can't imagine a caring adoptive parent breezily referring to their child as a "drug baby." There can be stigmas attached to labels like that, and it seems the information is unnecessary when introducing your family to the neighbor, IMO.
Yeah, the kids at Urban Dictionary (granted they're crowd-sourced idiots) call "crack baby" an insult in no uncertain terms. It's unappealingly flippant, at best.
She told nanny lots of things that weren't exactly accurate, such as JJ was send to grandparents for a month, that Tylee was attending college, that her husband died of a heart attack. So I wouldn't assume that she was actually in Hawaii just because she told that to a nanny.
She also told her friend April that Tylee would go to BYU-HI, so clearly I don't think we can trust Lori on whereabouts of Tylee.
Tylee's aunt says no. The woman's story has been checked out (and disregarded)
IMO the TV station was guilty of trawling for ratings. The woman "feels
sure" that whom she saw was Tylee?
That, and $0.75, will get you a cup of coffee down at the VFW.
"Looked
exactly like her"; except the grandparents (convenient) "wouldn't allow any video to be taken, all night long"?
Personally, the first thing I'd do would be to start with a surreptitious camera phone picture; not ask if I could take video. Etc., etc.
