Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #24

[Midwestmom2019]

Interesting. She said she wasn't on AVOW anymore, so that suggests a falling out. And CP isn't making any money off her so why advertise her books and help her out when she's turning against his friend Chad.MOO

Money. She pays him for advertising her book.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Ultimately I *think* all media will have access from whatever the two cameras capture.

MOO

Oh yes, I agree. That's in the order. But it also says the media pool gets to pick their video and stills representatives. I feel like Fox10 and East Idaho News are equipped to handle that job, and deserve it after working themselves to the bone. They have proven themselves capable through Justin and Nate. Jmo

Edit: talking about the information between the yellow lines.

 

[fred&edna]

Would be great if Chad showed up in an orange jumpsuit and big ol' orange shower slides... showing solidarity for his bride

 

[BigAl16]

39 S 2nd W
Great Scotts

I figured it out. It looks like there are a total of 4 stores, 2 over in the Boise area and 2 in Rexburg. The other Rexburg location is in the north part of town and I think it is possible I might have stopped there before.

MOO

 

[Kicky]

I've been wondering, is anyone in or close to the Rexburg area planning to go to the hearing on Friday? I know seating will be very limited. Does anyone think there will be a crowd outside at all? I've read posts about what type of reactions/feelings people are having there in general, but I'd like to know if a crowd would show up at the courthouse in Rexburg with blown-up pics of the kids and signs saying "WHERE ARE JJ AND TYLEE?". I know I'd be up for it if I wasn't 2000 miles away. (Although maybe it is too soon for that sort of thing. Is that something more likely to happen with later court or trial dates?)

As for the replies below, I have at least TWENTY pages of posts to read through before I'm caught up, so if my questions have been since answered or if I'm posting any info already known, please excuse me being redundant and ignore. (I'll figure it out eventually!)

Any ideas and claims made in my posts below are My Opinion Only.

There was a surge of far-out religious movements-- leaders, holy-rollers, beliefs, and followers in the late 1800s, and many were NY and New England born. Shakers, Quakers, Christ Scientists, Jahovah's Witnesses, LDS were the more obvious ones...but many little loose cannons were developed as well. It has always been interesting how LDS just got stronger and kept moving west, while the others pretty much fizzled.

Not a researcher, by any means, but when you refuse blood transfusions and modern medicine to save lives, that kind of cuts down your chances of spreading your religion: JH.
And one of the groups, Quakers or Shakers, led separated lives. Men apart from women. Separate church pews, separate living quarters. Again, tough to grow your religion if your population doesn’t grow, too. LDS on the other hand, listened to “Go West, young man!” Took on multiple wives. In those years, many, many women died during child birth. LDS generally adopted ideas to promote their growth and influence. From my understanding, if you’re not LDS, in predominantly LDS areas, salaries, promotions, other opportunities do not come your way if you are outside the teachings of LDS.
Joseph Smith, Jr., I think was a great showman. Orator. Leader. If SLC citizens knew a group of its members were trekking across the Great Plains in the middle of winter and did not arrive on time, LDS members would head east in search of them. I have not read of many accounts of other religious groups doing the same. Missionaries, yes. And “Dr. Livingston, I presume?” But to send out search parties for the general public/pioneers that headed West?
No, I’m not LDS. Just some information stored in my head.

I first learned about the early days of the Mormons when I read "Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith" by Jon Krakauer, and I remember what you guys are talking about. There were a lot of new religious movements, break-away groups, and tent revivals and the like in those days. It's pretty wild to compare and contrast that place and time with the present... but anyway, Joseph Smith happened to grow up in the thick of it.
Burned-over district - Wikipedia
Second Great Awakening - Wikipedia
Early life of Joseph Smith - Wikipedia
"By 1817*, Smith's family had moved to the "burned-over district" of western New York, an area repeatedly swept by religious revivals during the Second Great Awakening. Smith family members held divergent views about organized religion, believed in visions and prophecies, and engaged in certain folk religious practices typical of the era. Smith briefly investigated Methodism, but he was generally disillusioned with the churches of his day."
"Around 1820 Smith is said to have experienced a theophany, now known as his First Vision among adherents."
*Smith would have been 11 or 12

Just the headings of “Moving into second half of my life” and “Stepping into the future” sounds like his past life with Tammy is an afterthought. Like, oh well that’s the past and into the future with Lori. I think he had already moved on at least in his mind if not in real life with Lori long before Tammy “unexpectedly” died. Due to that I can’t see how Tammy’s death wasn’t premeditated and that he wasn’t a part of it. MOO

BBM
One thing that made me very suspicious of CD immediately was finding out that he supposedly had "visions" predicting Tammy's death. More than once! And he never told her.
This claim was made by Julie Rowe, so, mileage may vary. (Is there any possibility that the prosecution will have her testify? I really know zilch about the law and court processes. All I know is JR isn't known for her credibility.)
Daybell and Rowe often talked about a vision they both had years ago where angels told them Tammy would die.
“He was emotionally distraught, he was crying and he said that his angels had told him that he was going to lose Tammy,” said Rowe.
Three weeks before Tammy’s death, Rowe and Daybell called each other.
“And I asked him, do you still see Tammy dying? And he said yes I do,” said Rowe.
Tammy was in charge of the finances and covers for Daybell’s books. Rowe said Daybell wanted to get out of the business, but Tammy wanted to keep going.
“He said I’m ready to get out now and Tammy doesn’t want to get out. When she passes, I’m done, I can’t keep doing this,” said Rowe.
Chad Daybell had a “vision” his wife Tammy would die, friend says
What is interesting to me is, JR was telling the media about these visions when she was still very much defending Daybell. Back then, she "saw" that the children were somewhere safe. But she changed her tune on Chad (after the Hawaii wedding pictures came out, iirc), and she talked about his visions a second time:
"I did energy sessions for him and some of his kids," Rowe said.
She added that Chad often spoke to her about his visions of Tammy dying.
"He really felt like she was going to pass away last fall between October and December," Rowe said, adding that the two were having marital problems.
Former friend: Chad Daybell predicted his late wife's death and brainwashed his kids
Like I said, I don't think she'd make a very credible witness. But who knows with Chad and his dreams. Nearly everything he's dreamed up is disturbing in one way or another.

Women can get legally married and neglect to legally change their names afterward. Especially when they are too busy moving states to evade law enforcement.

thank you for that chuckle!

I remember it being an aunt of their kids so probably TD sister

This claim, that Tammy's sister or Tammy's family was highly suspicious from the start and that Tammy was exhumed for this reason, has been brought up and debunked a few times now in the last couple days.
most recent debunk AFAIK here: ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #24
I understand there is an off-limits reason (social media site post, allegedly involving a POI's family member) why this may have come up so often in the last 24-48 hours. But what is weird to me is I've heard more than few folks now saying "I read that somewhere before", "I heard this along time ago", "I was thinking this all along" - things like that. If people are getting this idea from somewhere off of Websleuths - that's fine. I get it. There are lots of ideas out there. But I'm curious if anyone knows of, or can find, a source of these claims about Tammy's family appearing much earlier than just the last day or two. (Being that any sources about this may likely come from social media, or would otherwise be unacceptable to post out on the main thread, please send me a message privately. or just consider my musings to be rhetorical )

Chad's lawyer.
http://www.rex-law.com/sean-bartholick/
SEAN BARTHOLICK

iirc, he is the same lawyer who handled the divorce between IP and his former spouse. if so, there is a source with this info somewhere on our timeline. just thought I'd mention that.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Lum said they would pool, IOW all present media has access to the same content.

Yes. But the media has to pick the video and stills representatives. That's what I was talking about, not equal access. Jmo

Edit: what I'm talking about is the information between yellow lines.

 

[CSIDreamer]

That photo makes me wonder if Tammy cut her hair short in 2019 (photos posted on her facebook page) to try and refresh an ailing marriage.

moo

Or just because after a certain age a new "do" enhances your features. I've let my hair get super long. It has got to go lol. Jmo

 

[utahobserver]

DBM

 

[CSIDreamer]

Those who believe in her innocence.

It's a family designated row that I'm talking about.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Would be great if Chad showed up in an orange jumpsuit and big ol' orange shower slides... showing solidarity for his bride

Seriously just laughed and now get to explain to my husband (who is telecommuting due to freakin corona virus) this hilarious visual. Today is a big day and a red eye plane ride with Madison County Deputies. MOO

 

[Tortoise]

I need to look at this photo on a large screen. On my iPad it looks a bit like Tylee. Anyone else have thoughts? I am going back over all the pieces of the case.
Lori Vallow's Neighbors Share Footage Showing Child Behaving Erratically Before Disappearance

It does say it's her in the article. Taken Sept 6th.

A picture, which a neighbor said was taken on Sept. 6, allegedly shows Ryan and JJ Vallow, who’s sitting on the ground wearing a blue shirt

 

[fred&edna]

Seriously just laughed and now get to explain to my husband (who is telecommuting due to freakin corona virus) this hilarious visual. Today is a big day and a red eye plane ride with Madison County Deputies. MOO

It's totally over the top but my mental pic of Chad in the orange jumpsuit and slides also includes a ukulele.

Solidarity with a touch of romance.

 

[utahobserver]

It does say it's her in the article. Taken Sept 6th.

A picture, which a neighbor said was taken on Sept. 6, allegedly shows Ryan and JJ Vallow, who’s sitting on the ground wearing a blue shirt

Thank you, another reason to stop using the iPad and maybe invest in reading glasses.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Money. She pays him for advertising her book.

OK, a little more info. If you go to the abysmal dot com site, look under category drop down on the upper left banner, it lists JR name, but when you click her name, you get this message: We're sorry but it appears that the "Julie Rowe" category is not available at this time.
Then in the larger white box with categories, Books books books, she has been wiped. Put her name in the search box on top, and you can buy, wholesale, either 5 or 10 of the one book. (You can actually read a chapter or so) His website housecleaning is lacking! But you know, Chad's blasphemous chaff is sold or rather offered there aplenty.

Anyway, it's good news to see fractures and disagreements amongst the Near Death Experience set. Their hocus pocus is only so much smoke and mirrors!

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Seriously just laughed and now get to explain to my husband (who is telecommuting due to freakin corona virus) this hilarious visual. Today is a big day and a red eye plane ride with Madison County Deputies. MOO

She better get some nap time in, that puffy faced sleepless look is not very complimentary to her.

 

[Underneath the Sky]

It does say it's her in the article. Taken Sept 6th.

Looks like her. Here it is, blown up a bit (well, click the attached file):

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Would be great if Chad showed up in an orange jumpsuit and big ol' orange shower slides... showing solidarity for his bride

WOULD like to think his arrest happens at some dramatic point, for extra emphasis on the seriousness of the situation. Michael Avenatti was arrested most recently at his CA Bar license revocation hearing, and he had been through the metal detector (and promised in a tweet he would never go to prison) so keep in mind, that's always a good time to take someone into custody once the ducks are lined up.

 

[Trask]

Chad Daybell allegedly increased his wife's life insurance. Then she died and was buried within 3 days. Here are other 'weird' observations friends noticed. | East Idaho News

ETA -

"Five days after the post was emailed to AVOW subscribers, Chad married Lori Vallow on a Hawaii beach. Court documents show he received $430,000 in life insurance money after Tammy died. Multiple sources say the funds came from several policies and Chad made “significant” increases to at least one policy before Tammy passed away."

 

[raysgirl1126]

O/T Kinda
Anyone else here follow the Caylee Anthony case? That's what brought me to WS. Remember the defense opening arguments? I WAS FLABBERGASTED!! For the last few days/ maybe weeks (now that i'm more of a believer the kids are not OK, opposed to when I first started following with my fingers crossed) I keep trying to come up with some BS argument. I know several of you have posted some kinda silly ones, but with ALL this silence it keeps taking me back. IMO Hoping we get answers soon, and LV not pleading the 5th.
I guess i'm just rambling.

 

[Lusitana]

I highly doubt that Chad even knows what to do with himself. From the looks of it, Tammy did everything for him and their family. She even did a bunch of stuff for his publishing thing. I sense that Chad is the typical man-child, that needs to be guided in everything that he does. For a man like that, a woman like Lori is not a great match. Because it doesn't seem like Lori puts much effort into anything, she most likely had her brother "taking care of people" for her. It appears that neither Colby or Tylee had that great of a childhood, probably because their mother is a total inept not only as a parental figure, but also as a person in general. She didn't even put much effort into raising JJ anyways, it was always other people pitching in to take care of the poor boy. My guess is that she is not flapping her gums about Chad already because that would implicate her immensely, she has more to lose than to gain if she opens her mouth about Chad. Same goes to Chad, if he does talk about whatever was done to the kids, then whatever happened to Tammy is going to come out too.