Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

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Question for WS

If someone collects life insurance on a deceased spouse, is that money to be returned if foul play is later proven?

I don’t know, but I would think that the Insurance company’s could place some sort of lien on those assets so they couldn’t be used for bail. The soon Chad is charged the better for the Insurance company.
 
Question for WS

If someone collects life insurance on a deceased spouse, is that money to be returned if foul play is later proven?

MOST insurance companies are provided with a tw0-year contestability period. So if anything is going on the Insurance company would have two years to act. They would still pay but to the contingent beneficiary (or the estate) because you can not benefit off a crime you committed. The money is already paid out, so theoretically yes the insurance company COULD sue for the money back, they are also most likely assisting law enforcement with the particulars (MOO).
 
Adam Herbets on Twitter

Lori Vallow Daybell is wearing a pink shirt, black leggings, black shoes, and a black sweatshirt with the word Kauai on the front. She is handcuffed. We believe she is now back in the mainland US.
BBM How humiliating. I wonder if she’s using her breezy laugh to minimize her situation. “Haha the media’s making a spectacle of this (holds up her wrists). It’s all a misunderstanding.” I cannot imagine she’ll go the entire time without saying something.
 
Adam Herbets (@AdamHerbets) | Twitter
"Just spoke to Chad Daybell’s attorney Sean Bartholick at the Madison County Courthouse. He couldn’t comment on why he is no longer representing Lori Vallow Daybell except to say it would be a conflict of interest for him to represent both Chad and Lori."
So there’s more to the story? I would think “conflict of interest” would have sufficed. To say, “no comment, except...” implies there’s more to be told. JMO
 
Couldn't get down the consourse anyway. :) There was some theorizing yesterday about the specific flights and a case was made that she'd be connecting to a flight into Boise, not Salt Lake based on a few factors (only in state law enforcement needed, plus it was what her attorney seemed to have whispered to her).
Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part. The Boise connecting flight makes sense though.
 
Since I haven't read through all 1,200+ pages of these threads (but a lot of them nonetheless), I have a question, which I will try to word very carefully:

How is it that Charles and Lori Vallow came to have custody of and then adopt JJ? Was custody by his biological parents taken away by a court, or did they surrender it?

I'm just wondering why he didn't go to someone else in the first place and also whether either biological parent could have any rights to his custody now.

JJ was born premature at birth weighing on 2lb 14 oz. His bio mother had a drug problem and never had legal custody nor physical custody of him as far as we know. His bio father is Kay's son. Kay is Charles' sister. Kay and Larry had custody and took care of JJ from birth to around 10 months of age when Charles asked if he and Lori could adopt him. Kay and Larry agreed to the adoption because they believed Charles and Lori could give JJ more advantages in life (Charles was wealthy and could provide for JJ's special needs, Lori stayed at home with the kids and C&L had other kids to stimulate JJ). Kay and Larry ran a full time business together and had no other young kids at home to play with JJ and Kay has also hinted that Larry has some health challenges that may have played into the decision (Lori and Charles were a younger couple at the time). It was a kinship adoption since Charles is biologically JJ's great uncle. Kay and Larry kept a close relationship with their grandson after adoption. Kay and Larry traveled to visit with him frequently or he would come to see them; even when Lori and Charles moved to Hawaii for a few years they went to see JJ there. His grandparents talked to JJ on Facetime daily, often he would call them several times a day, until Aug 10th, 2019 when the calls stopped.

Sorry, this is probably more than you wanted to know. Once I get started writing info I can't stop. The main answer is that the adoption was legally done through the courts and parental rights for the biological parents severed either at birth or at the time of adoption. We don't know exactly if the parents gave him up (i.e. didn't fight it when the courts took him away at birth and awarded him to Kay and Larry) or if the courts made the final decision on severing rights, but there is no chance of JJ's bio parents ever being given him back. Rights were severed and the adoption was legal.

MOO.
 
I’ve been following this case since the beginning but haven’t posted yet.

As far as Lori’s lawyer’s list, I am sure that anything to do with the Arizona deaths (CV, AxC, and JR) does not need to be turned over as Idaho would have no jurisdiction in those cases. Additionally, there would be no way to know of potential charges in relation to the kids as we don’t know where they are and if they are alive. Only Lori knows where her kids truly are. So, she may or may not get charged with murder either in Idaho or Wyoming or even another state. It just depends on where the act occurred. The lawyer asking for that is just ridiculous and the list wasn’t well thought out. I think that the prosecutor can get away with submitting things that pertain to the current charges only and nothing else. No need to bring a huge laundry list of things into it ...yet. Those charges will happen in time. She may be bailed out today but AZ LE may arrest her for her involvement of the AZ crimes and she stays in jail to be extradited to AZ. At least that’s my hope if bail is posted.

I go back and forth in regards to the kids. I really want to believe that they are alive some where in the odd cult-like group their mom is involved in. Tylee may be aware that she is considered missing but the group may be telling her things that would scare her into not letting LE or anyone know where she is. I think if the kids are alive and hidden, they are together. It seems like Tylee is the only one that can care for JJ due to his autism.

There’s also the possibility that Tylee ran away. She may have gotten fed up with her mom and took off. I think this is possible but unlikely.

On the flip side, Lori seems to be delusional enough to sacrifice the kids. Maybe, in her mind, killing them would make her a higher being or some twisted thing her sick mind created.
 
Why people charged with crimes are often released on bond | East Idaho News

Here's an article about Idaho bail.

"Idaho Criminal Rule 46 sets the rules for who can be released on bail.

“There are all sorts of different offenses that we see, ranging from murder down to possession of a controlled substance, felony DUIs, burglaries, grand thefts — and each judge has discretion on any of those offenses based on these factors,” Watkins said.

The factors used to gage a defendant’s likelihood to return to court and their potential danger to the community if released allow a judge to analyze a defendant’s previous failures to appear at court, financial status and employment, and family relationships, among other variables. For example, if a defendant had always showed up at previous court hearings, and if the defendant is responsible for taking care of his or her family, then the judge may determine that the defendant should receive a lower bond because their record indicates they’re not a high flight risk.

“Standard bond amounts I would suggest on felonies are somewhere between $25,000 and $50,000,” Watkins said. “In this community, we’ve seen million-dollar bonds, depending on the offense.” "
None of this applies to Her..imp..but wouldn't it be great if he was arrested before her court time...
 
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