If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[pcrum12]

Since I didn't follow the case much I would like to know if in fact GA made it clear that he was never alone with Caylee. IIRC I think I read that somewhere on WS.

Honestly, I think the A's really tried to make it look that he was with Caylee alone. Other than a neighbor seeing him push her in a stroller, I'm not finding any supporting evidence. I could be missing it but I have searched.

 

[Nova24]

You know the kicker in this whole thing. And it didn't come out in trial. Casey never lifted up that phone for 31 days to report Caylee missing. She was quite busy I suppose. But the night that Cindy and George went out and confronted protestors, remember with that little wimpy garden hose as a weapon??? Casey picked that phone up and was quite demanding in her insistence that Law Enforcement get there quickly. Quite interesting that she could call the police on other people. But never bothered for 31 long days for her daughter.

That's because she killed her and it was fiesta time.

 

[Baznme]

Interesting statement from Juror JF in one of her interviews.

"Ford blames the media for much of what has happened after the verdict that led to much anger and many protests.

"I think the media helped them to determine what their thoughts are," she says. "I think the media helped to determine the case before the jury saw it."http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-ne...ing-ar-244875/

The media, she says. How about the common person being able to connect the dots? Sheesh.

 

[cluciano63]

Precisely. One reason I've heard why ICA made the "accident" look like a murder is because she was afraid of CA.

But to let ICA off on that excuse sets a terrible precedent:

A mother can now kill a child, obstruct the investigation that might solve the crime, and go free. Why?

Because she obstructed LE for fear that Aunt Mildred in Kalamazoo might have gotten mad at her for being honest.

:bricks::bricks:

It wouldn't be setting a precedent, if the person was charged with the right crimes that would go along with an accidental death, i.e. not reporting a death, obstruction of justice, improper disposal of a body, but Casey wasn't charged with any of those things.

 

[Controversialist]

dumping the body is a different charge. Not calling 911? If Casey was asleep and the "normal morning" per George is that he is up early, Caylee comes out, he feeds her, they watch tv, Caylee gets outside and drowns, this is an everyday normal thing, again per George, makes George look like the caretaker. JMO

IMO, given these assumptions, one may still ask:

[] why both GA and ICA failed to call 911,
[] why ICA concealed this story for over 2 years, and
[] why GA treated Caylee's body with less respect than he had his pets.

:saber::saber::saber:

 

[Littleone48]

I have read every post in both of these threads and I would just like to give my :twocents:

For those who think the verdict is wrong: Many of you have been on this case since day 1. You have read all of the documents/post here and on other forums, articles from outside sources and know many things that were not presented to the jury. Even before this trial started many of you KNEW she was guilty and nothing was going to change your mind. You have that right...you read everything...you invested time and emotions. I see many of you placing in your post things that were NOT brought out in the trial, things that the jury never saw/heard. If any of you had been on the jury you would have voted Guilty simply from emotion. That is why the choosing of this jury was so important. They needed people who knew nothing or very little about this case because it is human nature to judge from emotion. I applaud each and everyone of you for all of the time/emotion that you have invested in this case.

For those who think the verdict is right: Many of you like myself didn't follow the case. Most of us didn't read all of the things stated above. I did start watching thinking that she was guilty however I didn't have the emotion invested in the case. I have stated on here many times why I think the jury got it right. I don't care what they (the jury) say on TV because those of you who are angry hear something totally different than I do. I also see us throwing in things that were not presented in the trial (many of which I didn't know) and we also cannot do that. We must vote according to what was presented in the courtroom. I also do not see ALL of them (the jury) trying to make a buck off from this. They had to have known what the outrage would be like when they voted. They knew it was a high profile case, they knew emotions were high but yet they still voted Not Guilty. IMO they feel they did the correct thing. They are not stupid, non caring etc, they voted by the evidence that was presented to them. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Case: Both sides made huge mistakes but I think the biggest mistake was the overcharging of Casey. The SA was so sure of the guilty verdict based on the emotions that they were reading on the boards and the press that they didn't feel they needed to have all of their ducks in a row. I will say that I wish all evidence could be presented from both sides but that is in a perfect world.

The only other thing I would like to say is that now that CA is Free I do hope that she does get help. I do not think if she babysat my child that she would harm them. I don't think she would harm my dog, bird, cat, possum etc. I am however a bit afraid if she were to have another child. IMO I do think that GA did molest her at some point. I do not like that man at all and I am a great judge of people. I have no opinion about Lee or Cindy but GA is not what he tries to present to the world IMO. CA is young, 24, she has been given a 2nd chance in this world. I wish no harm to her but I do hope she gets the help that she needs. I take in kids that the rest of the world has given up on. Most have been success stories but yes I have had a few that will continue to not be productive in society however I have always said that if you help 1 child to succeed in life you have done your job.

 

[Baznme]

I don't think that is what I said. I stated she DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE Caylee with George during the day when he was NOT working. But she would leave her with Cindy at night. JMO

I believe this was your quote.

THEORY ALERT! If he molested Casey, he probably did Caylee too and he knew it would be found in autopsy. Could explain why Casey was making up a fake nanny in order to leave the house WITH Caylee instead of leaving her with George. Most 20yr old single mothers I know of usually make up a reason to leave the child not take the child with her. Of Course JUST MY OPNION

If I was supposed to realize you were speaking of when GA had time off, I'm sorry but, I do not see anywhere in there indicating that she would not leave Caylee with George during the day when he was not working. IMO, to do that, would have meant she would have to show back up at the home to be with Caylee again before her parents had to return to work the next day. She didn't have set hours so the "Nanny" was probably the best story to stick with.

 

[Kat]

I was disappointed in the verdict and took some time to reflect before I posted on this thread.

In my mind there is no doubt that KC murdered Caylee.

But it's the verdict that is the issue here so yes I think that the jury came to the only conclusion that they could come to with the evidence presented to them.

Makes me uphappy but it is what it is.

I don't think for one minute the defense won this case because they were able to create reasonable doubt with their theories.

It was the way that the case was put together and presented by the state IMHO. If we sit and think about it (because we were privy to almost all of the evidence ourselves here at WS) a lot of the most damaging evidence wasn't presented or wasn't presented in such a way as to only allow for the conclusion of felony murder.

I do understand that some couldn't be brought in because it could have been fought as evidence that was damaging to KC's character thereby making it seem as though she were being prosecuted for her character rather than her crime(s) against Caylee.

But I have to be very honest and say even though I deeply respect the prosecution team it was not a well enough constructed case. And----that allowed for the defense to bring in experts that offered alternate analysis of hard evidence.

It was a tough case to begin with 1. The computer used was a family computer, multiple users. 2. The data retrieved from the computer was faulty (was interpretted two different ways) 3. The differing of opinion on MOD being able to be determined without COD. 4. The insects---what was found, lack thereof and to be honest I now know more than I ever wanted to know about insects. 5. The stains---no evidence of biological fluids in trunk 6. Chloroform---that one stumps me to this day, much less the jury I would imagine. The list goes on and on and on.

Not posting to argue or belabor any points I respect all those that feel that the SA put on a great case. I respect those that think the DT did a good job with their theory. I respect all opinions here...just sharing mine. And what I think went wrong.

So although I accept the verdict and can understand how it came to be and why it came to be it is still a bitter pill to swallow because IMHO KC did get away with murder.

All JMHO

 

[dvdman]

Thanks.....it's nice to read a post that makes 100% sense.

I'm sorry, the whole theory about George being involved is just ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. None of the JB's OS made any sense. If you want to not like George or find him suspicious or to be a liar, that's fine. I'm not a fan of George, but there is just no way it happened as told in the OS. There is no evidence of it and it. makes. no. sense.

For the sake of argument though, Leave George out of it and let's say Caylee did drown accidently. FCA was on the phone/computer/texting whatever. The fact that she didn't call 911 STILL means she should be in jail. She is at the very least negligent and how does FCA know that they couldn't save Caylee if she had called them? To me that is not "just" an accident. To me, that says she was more worried about herself and had so little regard for her daughter she didn't do EVERYTHING possible to save her life. :maddening:

 

[RR0004]

Let me clarify "real" Real as opposed to imaginary. They were friends by their own admission. Their value as a friend is not devalued by their ability or inability to see through a very seasoned and convincing liar.

Sociopath doesn't make you a murderer.

But they do make her so-called friends potential victims.

 

[Littleone48]

I have to honestly say, "I don't know" but your question intriques me. Does it make a difference if it was taped or not?

Yes because they tend to edit them to their liking. They want what sells, no necessary the truth. There is nothing we can do about it however it always concerns me if they in fact were taped and edited. IMO taking out a word/sentence etc can change the entire sequence.

 

[Controversialist]

I wish they had been able to submit this for evidence. I know it would have done it for me.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2010.02.16 Document Release: Stain on Trunk Liner

Wow. Never saw that before with such clarity. If that was found in the Sunfire trunk after June 16, 2008, it certainly convinces me that Caylee was there and, for other reasons, I would assume ICA, not GA, put her there.

:tears::tears:

 

[dvdman]

<mod snip> I do not believe for one second that George Anthony ever molested her. It was just another of her numerous lies that she and her defense team created successfully to taint (not hard to do with that Jury) the Jury's thinking. It was never proven because it never happened. If it had then she would have testified to it. End of story in my opinion.

I have read every post in both of these threads and I would just like to give my :twocents:

For those who think the verdict is wrong: Many of you have been on this case since day 1. You have read all of the documents/post here and on other forums, articles from outside sources and know many things that were not presented to the jury. Even before this trial started many of you KNEW she was guilty and nothing was going to change your mind. You have that right...you read everything...you invested time and emotions. I see many of you placing in your post things that were NOT brought out in the trial, things that the jury never saw/heard. If any of you had been on the jury you would have voted Guilty simply from emotion. That is why the choosing of this jury was so important. They needed people who knew nothing or very little about this case because it is human nature to judge from emotion. I applaud each and everyone of you for all of the time/emotion that you have invested in this case.

For those who think the verdict is right: Many of you like myself didn't follow the case. Most of us didn't read all of the things stated above. I did start watching thinking that she was guilty however I didn't have the emotion invested in the case. I have stated on here many times why I think the jury got it right. I don't care what they (the jury) say on TV because those of you who are angry hear something totally different than I do. I also see us throwing in things that were not presented in the trial (many of which I didn't know) and we also cannot do that. We must vote according to what was presented in the courtroom. I also do not see ALL of them (the jury) trying to make a buck off from this. They had to have known what the outrage would be like when they voted. They knew it was a high profile case, they knew emotions were high but yet they still voted Not Guilty. IMO they feel they did the correct thing. They are not stupid, non caring etc, they voted by the evidence that was presented to them. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Case: Both sides made huge mistakes but I think the biggest mistake was the overcharging of Casey. The SA was so sure of the guilty verdict based on the emotions that they were reading on the boards and the press that they didn't feel they needed to have all of their ducks in a row. I will say that I wish all evidence could be presented from both sides but that is in a perfect world.

The only other thing I would like to say is that now that CA is Free I do hope that she does get help. I do not think if she babysat my child that she would harm them. I don't think she would harm my dog, bird, cat, possum etc. I am however a bit afraid if she were to have another child. IMO I do think that GA did molest her at some point. I do not like that man at all and I am a great judge of people. I have no opinion about Lee or Cindy but GA is not what he tries to present to the world IMO. CA is young, 24, she has been given a 2nd chance in this world. I wish no harm to her but I do hope she gets the help that she needs. I take in kids that the rest of the world has given up on. Most have been success stories but yes I have had a few that will continue to not be productive in society however I have always said that if you help 1 child to succeed in life you have done your job.

 

[RR0004]

Interesting statement from Juror JF in one of her interviews.

"Ford blames the media for much of what has happened after the verdict that led to much anger and many protests.

"I think the media helped them to determine what their thoughts are," she says. "I think the media helped to determine the case before the jury saw it."http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-ne...ing-ar-244875/

The media, she says. How about the common person being able to connect the dots? Sheesh.

ITA...the media has or had nothing to do with it. It's really easy to put the blame on others.

 

[cluciano63]

Wow. Never saw that before with such clarity. If that was found in the Sunfire trunk after June 16, 2008, it certainly convinces me that Caylee was there and, for other reasons, I would assume ICA, not GA, put her there.

:tears::tears:

Yes, but sadly, that photo and many other things are pieces of the puzzle the jury never saw...and those of us who have seen them, either before or since, it is hard to dismiss. The things the state couldn't or didn't use left holes in the story and made it harder to piece together.

 

[Baznme]

I have read every post in both of these threads and I would just like to give my :twocents:

For those who think the verdict is wrong: Many of you have been on this case since day 1. You have read all of the documents/post here and on other forums, articles from outside sources and know many things that were not presented to the jury. Even before this trial started many of you KNEW she was guilty and nothing was going to change your mind. You have that right...you read everything...you invested time and emotions. I see many of you placing in your post things that were NOT brought out in the trial, things that the jury never saw/heard. If any of you had been on the jury you would have voted Guilty simply from emotion.

(Snipped for space) - Let me ask you something. If you had been involved in the searches for Caylee, every moment you were able, looking, looking everywhere, worrying nights, sleuthing here in the forums, wondering if she was telling a fib or the truth for months only to find out in opening statements of the trial that Caylee was dead on 6/16/08, would you be so inclined to forgive all of what she put so many people through? Yes, I believe she is guilty, absolutely. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that is able to connect the dots but, when the truth is obscured to this extent only to realize it was all for naught anyway, she has a Huge debt to pay. Not to me. Not to the justice system. To her daughter. She's destroyed lives, reputations, cost atrocious amounts of money to the Florida taxpayers and didn't have one thing to say for herself when she had the opportunity in court. 2nd chance? I'd rather Caylee had that but, that's not to be.

 

[Littleone48]

Hey it sounds like you've been drinking the Casey Marie Anthony koolaid because I do not believe for one second that George Anthony ever molested her. It was just another of her numerous lies that she and her defense team created successfully to taint (not hard to do with that Jury) the Jury's thinking. It was never proven because it never happened. If it had then she would have testified to it. End of story in my opinion.

I respect your opinion. I do not feel I need to accused of drinking kool-aid especially CA kool-aid.

Just an observation from someone who is very experienced with people like GA. You never know what lurks beneath a person.

 

[Littleone48]

I have read every post in both of these threads and I would just like to give my :twocents:

For those who think the verdict is wrong: Many of you have been on this case since day 1. You have read all of the documents/post here and on other forums, articles from outside sources and know many things that were not presented to the jury. Even before this trial started many of you KNEW she was guilty and nothing was going to change your mind. You have that right...you read everything...you invested time and emotions. I see many of you placing in your post things that were NOT brought out in the trial, things that the jury never saw/heard. If any of you had been on the jury you would have voted Guilty simply from emotion. That is why the choosing of this jury was so important. They needed people who knew nothing or very little about this case because it is human nature to judge from emotion. I applaud each and everyone of you for all of the time/emotion that you have invested in this case.

(Snipped for space) - Let me ask you something. If you had been involved in the searches for Caylee, every moment you were able, looking, looking everywhere, worrying nights, sleuthing here in the forums, wondering if she was telling a fib or the truth for months only to find out in opening statements of the trial that Caylee was dead on 6/16/08, would you be so inclined to forgive all of what she put so many people through? Yes, I believe she is guilty, absolutely. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that is able to connect the dots but, when the truth is obscured to this extent only to realize it was all for naught anyway, she has a Huge debt to pay. Not to me. Not to the justice system. To her daughter. She's destroyed lives, reputations, cost atrocious amounts of money to the Florida taxpayers and didn't have one thing to say for herself when she had the opportunity in court. 2nd chance? I'd rather Caylee had that but, that's not to be.

I can only answer that question to the best of my ability because I did not invest much time into this case. I only saw the trial....but...Yes, I do think that I would be right next to you, angry that she got away with murder. I would be angry about the lies, the searching, the reading, the wasted time trying to figure out this case...I would've gone into the trial with Emotion and with a predetermined thought that she was guilty as he!!.

I can answer that question better in a month or so after I finish reading everything you guys worked so hard on!

OT: There was a reason I didn't get involved..I don't have the time..and since the trial I have made probably 100 post :floorlaugh:

 

[dvdman]

I didn't mean to offend you. It's just odd that you are calling GA a liar and molester yet discounting the lies of the "Convicted" liar Casey Marie Anthony who accused him. I mean it makes no sense. Why is it so hard to accept that she murdered her own flesh and blood and she did it alone? GA was thrown under the bus to save her you know what. If he had had something to do with Caylee's death then why did she sit in jail for 3 years before she opened her mouth? Like I said it just doesn't make sense because it shouldn't.

I respect your opinion. I do not feel I need to accused of drinking kool-aid especially CA kool-aid.

Just an observation from someone who is very experienced with people like GA. You never know what lurks beneath a person.

 

[Baznme]

Yes because they tend to edit them to their liking. They want what sells, no necessary the truth. There is nothing we can do about it however it always concerns me if they in fact were taped and edited. IMO taking out a word/sentence etc can change the entire sequence.

I highly doubt they would edit a "juror's remarks" about a high profile case such as this. I'm sure GMA should have the transcript posted to their site should you want to check it out. It should be word for word. To assume your logic is correct on editing them to their liking would be the same as what JF did......blame it on the media. Not criticizing your theory, just trying to say that with the potential to make JF's comments even more inflammatory than they have already been, I would be very surprised that GMA would take a chance at doing just that.