If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[RR0004]

Right but the jurors did not know all about Casey and Cindy's twisted relationship, only the barest details. They only knew that Cindy loved Caylee, that she supported Caylee financially, etc...so leaving little reason for Casey to have to kill Caylee in order to party.

I thought they heard enough on the tapes...and through witness testimony. But, maybe the State should have gotten down and dirty...except, Cindy would only have lied and denied it.

 

[cuppy199]

Ok... so I'm confused by this. In general, the consensus is that GA or CA couldn't possibly have anything to do with this because they were such loving and doting grandparents. They would've done ANYTHING for Caylee.

But, after they've lost Caylee, know she's dead because of the smell in the car, they forget Caylee to cover for Casey because they all of a sudden become immoral after they smell that smell. What was in that trunk that made people immoral in a split second? IMO it wasn't death.

Clearly you arent reading my post the way they are intended. You are taking bits and pieces and putting words in my mouth that never came out. When i pointed the moral part I was talking alot of parents in general not just the A's. To clarify I was saying that the A's did and would lie for their daughter even though she killed their granddaughter. Because to them KA is still their daughter and she is alive and Caylee isnt.They didnt want to also lose there daughter.

 

[kelian36]

Don't you think if the state had proven its case that all the jurors would have voted "guilty"?

No because the state did prove their case.
The jurors chose to ignore the evidence--they wanted to get outta town.

 

[kelian36]

The public is responsible for the verdict though, they wanted this “woman’s” head on a stick and the state was forced to go to trial with no evidence. In most cases like this the DA would have set her free until she ran her mouth. That wasn’t allowed to happen. You can pin this one on the public at large!

There was evidence.

 

[gxm]

What about George?

What about him? He was not the custodial parent, he was not the last person to be seen with Caylee and, unlike KC, he showed up for work that day.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

What if ... they would have called 911 like any other normal person would have done ? In your examples above, what explanation would you give for someone not calling 911 and making it look like a murder ?

IMO, there is none unless you're insinuating in your last example that George might have murdered Caylee. And if that's the case, do you really think Princess FCA would sit in jail for 3 years when she could've been out partying ?

I agree. BBM And that IMO, is the part the jury got horribly wrong. Why sit in jail for an accident? Miss Hot Body entrant really thought that the trade off was worth sitting in jail for nearly 3 years? Yuri gave her that out, it would have been simple to tell him "what really happened" when he begged her to tell him what really happened to Caylee. Instead though, we are asked to believe that instead of telling LE at ANY point, when she had numerous opportunities, that she chose not to tell them about the "drowning" but rather allowed herself to be indicted by a GJ and ultimately go to trial after nearly 3 years. No one has been able to answer that question to my satisfaction. No possible answer would make any "jaw dropping" sense to me.

So obvious..........

 

[cluciano63]

I thought they heard enough on the tapes...and through witness testimony. But, maybe the State should have gotten down and dirty...except, Cindy would only have lied and denied it.

I only knew what I saw at the trial until I read some things here and read the one book that was written about the case and going by just the trial, I didn't really get that Cindy and Casey were basically at war. Maybe there was no way to bring that out that would not be heresay but I think it was needed, JMO...

 

[Who_What_When]

This post was brought over from the "Did the jury get it wrong" forum. I wanted to reply back but it appears that the forum has now been closed and we've been directed to use this one.

I heard Casey with her own mouth say she was the last known person with Caylee.

I heard Casey try to lie and say it was a kidnapping.

I heard Lee say Casey said it was because she was a spiteful ***** that they could not see Caylee.

I heard the SA give the motive for the murder. Cindy would not let her give up custody of Caylee, Casey had to be a Mom. Now the jury did have to connect a dot on their own because the judge would not let the stolen checks from her mother in without Cindy admitting they had a fight that night. But they heard Cindy threaten Casey with turning her in to cops for theft if she did not do what she wanted. Not much of a stretch to see that Cindy would turn her in if she ever tried to stop being a mom and give up Caylee. Cindy needed a babysitter for while she was at work and Casey was it.

I heard the state say how she put the duct tape on and what 3 pieces meant.

I heard the 6 people say the trunk smelled like a dead body had been in it.

I heard how she was bagged up with stuff from the house.

I saw her on the video without Caylee the day she died.?

Dr.Fessel, I'm not really sure how “What you heard” relates to my post where I agreed with Pink Panther when she stated that “the SA was very arrogant in their assumptions imo. They presented evidence expecting the jury to be investigators piecing information together”. I agreed stating that I felt there were too many leaps to be made and in the end they should have brought all together. If they did I felt that we might have had a different verdict.

As far as your post...
A lot of what "you heard" was argued by the defense leaving the jury with deciding who to believe. As for the motive, you say it's not that big of a stretch to see that Cindy would turn her in, well I disagree. Except for the 911 call, the SA didn’t show any of what "you heard" as the judge didn’t allow it. Remember, they didn't have any of the background that we all had on the family dynamics and a lot of what we heard for the past three years was never allowed in as it either wasn’t proven or was shown to be hearsay, so I don’t see how the jury was expected to connect these dots.

 

[Caligram]

JB knew that he couldn't come up with enough real expert testimony to disprove the SA forensic evidence. So he presented his own X-rated scenario in his opening statement.
I don't understand how something so perverted and ugly can be brought out in front of the jury without anything to back it up. The jury was told to not consider anything said in opening statements as evidence. But, the jury did HEAR what JB wanted them to hear, and it stuck better that the duct tape which should have helped them to convict FCA. What this case proved is that the justice system in our country does not guarantee anybody a fair trial. It proves that the guilty party is not always convicted. It proves that the SA has to PROVE their case, but that the DT can present any number of "expert witnesses" to attack the SA proof by misleading statements and fake qualifications. It proves that the DT had nothing to go with until this case went before the jury, then they spit at and s#it on Justice with outrageous obscene lies.
This was not a trial by jury. It was a trial by perjury. There was no justice for little Caylee Marie. A murderer was set free, because the jury could not rid their minds of the garbage spewed out by JB and the rest of his unethical team.

 

[zippitydoda]

I agree. BBM And that IMO, is the part the jury got horribly wrong. Why sit in jail for an accident? Miss Hot Body entrant really thought that the trade off was worth sitting in jail for nearly 3 years? Yuri gave her that out, it would have been simple to tell him "what really happened" when he begged her to tell him what really happened to Caylee. Instead though, we are asked to believe that instead of telling LE at ANY point, when she had numerous opportunities, that she chose not to tell them about the "drowning" but rather allowed herself to be indicted by a GJ and ultimately go to trial after nearly 3 years. No one has been able to answer that question to my satisfaction. No possible answer would make any "jaw dropping" sense to me.

So obvious..........

I totally agree with you. I have wondered why she would sit in jail and not attempt to make some deal with an accident defense.

I'm grasping here - perhaps the reason FCA would sit in jail for three years without a word on the phony drowning or accident theory, is that when planning her defense, JB told her that she would at the very least do 3+ years on the 4 counts of lying to officials. There was no way to get around the fact that she lied to LE on the 4 specific incidents, now that they planned on saying Caylee died in an accidental drowning. Perhaps that’s why they delayed the trial so long, to hit the 3 year milestone. Then, on the billion to one shot that she would be found not guilty on the major counts of murder and only guilty on the 4 lying to LE, she would get time served. We all know how that worked out for FCA. If I did not watch this happen with my own eyes, I would never believe it.

 

[annalia]

IIRC her hair was found in a pair of pliers on a boat that she was never in. There was also question as to if she even knew about the boat.

I think there was other DNA that pointed to SP having killed her. DNA which was missing in this case except for the "unknown" on the duct tape.

No DNA evidence that pointed to Scott as far as I could find but please correct me if I'm wrong. A strand of Laci's hair just like Caylee's hair. There was also an issue with missing anchors. Most of the damning evidence against Scott were his actions and lies after Laci disappeared.

There are many similarities in the two cases. The difference is that in the SP case, the jurors were able to take all of the CE and put it all together, unlike this jury who couldn't or wouldn't do that and thought the DT opening statement amounted to evidence and reasonable doubt while flat out dismissing what they didn't understand.

JMHO

 

[NotRocketSighence]

I'm grasping here - perhaps the reason FCA would sit in jail for three years without a word on the phony drowning or accident theory, is that when planning her defense, JB told her that she would at the very least do 3+ years on the 4 counts of lying to officials. There was no way to get around the fact that she lied to LE on the 4 specific incidents...

Does anyone know if Casey would of been housed in county jail or prison for a 1-4 year sentence for lying to LE. (had she of not of got time served)

Isn't county for pre-trial and prison for sentenced?

Is county lockdown better conditions? better/closer location than prison?

 

[wonders]

CFCA said 31 DAYS...A real grieving mother would have said about 31 seconds ago someone took my child. CFCA said 31 DAYS my child has been missing.
My common sense just on that statement alone would have been enough for me to convicted her of 1st degree murder. She Knew How Many Days Ago She Murdered Caylee PERIOD.

 

[kgeaux]

Yes. There was no evidence presented that KC was innocent.

I am starting to freak out at how many posts are stating that no evidence was presented to show Casey was innocent. That is NOT how our system works. The defendant does not need to prove innocence! The prosecutor has to prove guilt. It would be a miscarriage of justice for someone to be found guilty because no evidence proved innocent. In the minds of those jurors, Casey HAD TO BE PRESUMED INNOCENT, up and until the prosecution proved guilt.....which they did not do.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I am starting to freak out at how many posts are stating that no evidence was presented to show Casey was innocent. That is NOT how our system works. The defendant does not need to prove innocence! The prosecutor has to prove guilt. It would be a miscarriage of justice for someone to be found guilty because no evidence proved innocent. In the minds of those jurors, Casey HAD TO BE PRESUMED INNOCENT, up and until the prosecution proved guilt.....which they did not do.

I totally agree.

 

[pcrum12]

Let's not forget Caylee was Casey's child, not George & Cindy's!!!

When did it suddenly become the grandparents responsibility to care/protect/nuture and not the MOTHER's?

Well can somebody please let Cindy know!

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I totally agree with you. I have wondered why she would sit in jail and not attempt to make some deal with an accident defense.

I'm grasping here - perhaps the reason FCA would sit in jail for three years without a word on the phony drowning or accident theory, is that when planning her defense, JB told her that she would at the very least do 3+ years on the 4 counts of lying to officials. There was no way to get around the fact that she lied to LE on the 4 specific incidents, now that they planned on saying Caylee died in an accidental drowning. Perhaps that’s why they delayed the trial so long, to hit the 3 year milestone. Then, on the billion to one shot that she would be found not guilty on the major counts of murder and only guilty on the 4 lying to LE, she would get time served. We all know how that worked out for FCA. If I did not watch this happen with my own eyes, I would never believe it.

Actually, that makes sense. If she was going to do the time for the lying, why not roll the dice and try for acquittal? You're right---why not get the 3 years over with in the beginning. Makes sense in a "backward sort of way".

 

[nssherlock]

I haven't been able to get past that stunned place in my head ........I really wasn't surprised at the verdict on count 1 even though that's what I felt she deserved and what I thought the SA proved beyond a reasonable doubt. But counts 2 & 3....wow.....how the heck do you get there?

The only explanation that makes any sense to me is that Group Think took over with one or two strong personalities taking the lead. The jurors were tired and wanted to go home and were just too damn lazy to put the time and thought into making a reasoned, logical argument. We really need to concentrate on Critical Thinking skill building in this country - the consequences of not having citizens capable of this skill are more evident every day.

 

[NotRocketSighence]

I totally agree. __________________
I want to begin this portion of my remarks with a reminder to anyone who may hear me, that the defendant is presumed innocent of these charges JA

Annnnnnddd, I want to end this portion of my remarks with a reminder to anyone who can hear me, that the defendant has now been acquitted of these charges. TDA

Sadly you could count on one hand those who cloaked her in the presumption of innocence.

 

[Littleone48]

No DNA evidence that pointed to Scott as far as I could find but please correct me if I'm wrong. A strand of Laci's hair just like Caylee's hair. There was also an issue with missing anchors. Most of the damning evidence against Scott were his actions and lies after Laci disappeared.

There are many similarities in the two cases. The difference is that in the SP case, the jurors were able to take all of the CE and put it all together, unlike this jury who couldn't or wouldn't do that and thought the DT opening statement amounted to evidence and reasonable doubt while flat out dismissing what they didn't understand.

JMHO

A different jury a different State, different charges to choose from. Yes 1 peice of hair however it was found in a pair of Pliers in a boat that Lacy was never on.

Caylee's hair or could be Caylee's hair was found in the trunk where it could've been from transfer. The SA also decided to use a new method of testing that had never been used before.

There was a lot more to the SP case in terms of where the body was found and where he said he was fishing on a cold December day. Didn't follow the case much and there may be more but that's all I could remember.

SP & this case have nothing in common except both parties had been convicted before the trial and the hate for both spewed was like nothing seen before.