IL IL - Will Co., MixedFem UP5211, 20-30, found near I-55, strangled, Sep'68

[Romulus]

823UFIL - Unidentified Female
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Reconstruction of the victim.

Date of Discovery: September 30, 1968
Location of Discovery: Will County, Illinois
Estimated Date of Death: 2 Days prior
State of Remains: Recognizable face
Cause of Death: Strangulation

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20 - 30 years old
Race: White; possibly Filipino or Native American
Sex: Female
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 135 lbs.
Hair: Black, straight, collar length; color ranges from red to medium brown with indications of certain Mongoloid features. Roots showed signs of graying.
Eye Color: Brown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Left ear is darker in color than the rest of the body. Left little finger crooked. Both ear lobes pierced. Blood type 'O' . Indications of possible prior toxoplasmosis (parasitic disease, usually asymptomatic).

Identifiers
Dentals: Available; Tooth #2 broken, #4, #5 and #30 had cavities, #8 and #9 were chipped, #14 and #31 had gold caps, and #3 was porcelain filled.
Fingerprints: Available.
DNA: Available.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: None.
Jewelry: None.
Additional Personal Items: None.

Circumstances of Discovery
A highway department worker picking up debris found the victim's body was found near I-55 and Blodgett Road in an unincorporated area of Will County, Illinois on September 30, 1968. It was determined that her body was moved after death and concealed in a wooded area. Due to the social climate this person may have been from anywhere coming through the area.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Will County Coroner
Agency Contact Person: Gene Sullivan
Agency Phone Number: 815-727-8455
Agency E-Mail: gsullivan@willcountyillinois.com
Agency Case Number: UN 68-01

NCIC Case Number: U705881578
NamUs Case Number: 5211
Former Hot Case Number: 1734

Information Source(s)

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Moonwalker9]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
823UFIL

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Recognizable face, no photo

Reconstruction of the victim.

Date of Discovery: September 30, 1968
Location of Discovery: Will County, Illinois
Estimated Date of Death: 2 Days prior
State of Remains: Recognizable face
Cause of Death: Strangulation

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20 - 30 years old
Race: White; possibly Filipino or Native American
Sex: Female
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 135 lbs.
Hair: Black, straight, collar length; color ranges from red to medium brown with indications of certain Mongoloid features. Roots showed signs of graying.
Eye Color: Brown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Left ear is darker in color than the rest of the body. Left little finger crooked. Both ear lobes pierced. Blood type 'O' . Indications of possible prior toxoplasmosis (parasitic disease, usually asymptomatic).

Identifiers
Dentals: Available; Tooth #2 broken, #4, #5 and #30 had cavities, #8 and #9 were chipped, #14 and #31 had gold caps, and #3 was porcelain filled.
Fingerprints: Available.
DNA: Available.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: None.
Jewelry: None.
Additional Personal Items: None.

Circumstances of Discovery
A highway department worker picking up debris found the victim's body was found near I-55 and Blodgett Road in an unincorporated area of Will County, Illinois on September 30, 1968. It was determined that her body was moved after death and concealed in a wooded area. Due to the social climate this person may have been from anywhere coming through the area.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Will County Coroner
Agency Contact Person: Gene Sullivan
Agency Phone Number: 815-727-8455
Agency E-Mail: gsullivan@willcountyillinois.com
Agency Case Number: UN 68-01

NCIC Case Number: U705881578
NamUs Case Number: 5211
Former Hot Case Number: 1734

 

[vw51212]

Fellow WebSleuths Thoughts?

Ruth Muriel Egnoski MP36703
Same height, same facial features, was traveling to Illinois when she went missing: distance from MP and UP: 2.5 hours/ 110 miles
Ruth Muriel Egnoski – The Charley Project
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Fuuro]

Just a question - why is there a mod warning that there's a graphic picture in the first two posts? If I'm reading the image's description on NamUS correctly, that photo is an artist's rendition and not an actual PM image.

 

[Andreee]

Just a question - why is there a mod warning that there's a graphic picture in the first two posts? If I'm reading the image's description on NamUS correctly, that photo is an artist's rendition and not an actual PM image.

That's what I was just wondering! Perhaps it was later removed?

 

[Andreee]

Fellow WebSleuths Thoughts?

Ruth Muriel Egnoski MP36703
Same height, same facial features, was traveling to Illinois when she went missing: distance from MP and UP: 2.5 hours/ 110 miles
Ruth Muriel Egnoski – The Charley Project
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Being that Ruth's ID was later found in Delavan in an elementary school custodian office (her father had worked there), the police dug up on the lot where the family had resided for signs of the girl. None were found. It just doesn't seem like the UID of this thread is her due to the timeline and circumstances later revealed re. the ID.

 

[GJKJR]

A new reconstruction, produced by Natalie Murry, was released for this Jane Doe recently.

 

[Andreee]

A new reconstruction, produced by Natalie Murry, was released for this Jane Doe recently.

 

[Andreee]

Thanks for posting this new reconstruction. I don't see a resemblance between this sketch and the suggested Ruth Egnoski in post above. I wonder if there are any ruleouts. Wish I knew how to compile a list of possibles to compare from that region. Maybe someone else can. I want to learn how to do that though.

 

[Andreee]

A new reconstruction, produced by Natalie Murry, was released for this Jane Doe recently.

Just saw this spreadsheet now, good job!

 

[Andreee]

DBM

 

[GJKJR]

Thanks for posting this new reconstruction. I don't see a resemblance between this sketch and the suggested Ruth Egnoski in post above. I wonder if there are any ruleouts. Wish I knew how to compile a list of possibles to compare from that region. Maybe someone else can. I want to learn how to do that though.

Ask, and you shall receive. There are 94 rule-outs listed on NamUs:

MP2485 Ida Anderson 09/18/1958 Washtenaw MI
MP14236 Nancy Anderson 12/14/1958 King WA
MP24163 Dixie Arensen 08/25/1968 Los Angeles CA
MP9699 Audrey Backeberg 07/01/1962 Marion IN
MP2386 Lynn Bandringa 05/29/1967 San Bernardino CA
MP21701 Carol Batterman 05/31/1958 Cleveland OK
MP25192 Joan Bieter 07/16/1968 Ramsey MN MP25192
MP36718 Georgia Blevins 07/04/1962 Travis TX
MP10759 Patricia Blough 07/02/1966 Porter IN
MP18126 Mary Boston 09/01/1968 Sacramento CA
MP42212 Lillian Bottrill 08/20/1968 Onondaga NY
MP1401 Bonnie Brashers 09/16/1963 Santa Cruz CA
MP19076 Sandra Breed 05/22/1964 Madison NY
MP10968 Linda Britton 06/11/1963 Guernsey OH
MP7510 Darcy Brown 01/21/1964 Cuyahoga OH
MP10199 Leila Bryan 05/10/1941 Bladen NC
MP5639 Peggy Byars-Baisden 04/02/1965 Polk FL
MP18942 Phoebe Callahan 06/02/1960 Hillsborough FL
MP11013 Mabel Chambers 01/01/1952 New Castle DE
MP22091 Lorraine Chance 01/03/1948 Sacramento CA
MP4818 Jane Clement 04/08/1963 East Baton Rouge LA
MP27078 Thelma Cobb 01/01/1946 Knox IN
MP50556 Phyllis Corbin 11/01/1963 St. Louis MO
MP21338 Jean Czarnecki 11/01/1966 Mercer NJ
MP12580 Johanna de Haas 02/08/1960 New Castle DE
MP18613 Lillian DeMaris 08/14/1952 Cerro Gordo IA
MP20113 Anita Drake 10/15/1963 Stark OH
MP28721 Elaine Fauver 07/24/1967 Denver CO
MP35306 Dorothy Forstein 10/14/1949 Philadelphia PA
MP14033 Elizabeth Franks 04/01/1965 Lucas OH
MP12230 Sharon Giusti 03/09/1963 Jefferson WA
MP32123 Maxine Green 10/30/1961 Osage OK
MP14509 Mary Greene 12/10/1966 Baltimore MD
MP17377 Frances Groves 01/01/1955 Riverside CA
MP13921 Joan Hansen 08/10/1962 King WA
MP4579 Evelyn Hartley 10/24/1953 La Crosse WI
MP38513 Bette Horvat 06/01/1960 Cook IL
MP4626 Brenda Howell 08/06/1956 Los Angeles CA
MP50533 Mary Hudgins 10/20/1954 Santa Cruz CA
MP19298 Mildred Johnson 01/01/1954 Kootenai ID
MP25211 Edna Kaminski 08/01/1944 Queens NY
MP21421 ANNA KENNEWAY 06/04/1954 Hartford CT
MP13801 Anna Leatherwood 05/20/1966 Sevier TN
MP34305 Ida Lee 11/01/1956 Coconino AZ
MP12033 Bessie Linder 02/01/1968 Suffolk NY
MP559 Mary Little 10/14/1965 Fulton GA
MP38924 Wanda Loe 07/26/1968 Placer CA
MP27151 Celina Lung 10/24/1964 Snohomish WA
MP20624 Barbara Martin 12/07/1958 Multnomah OR
MP27783 Olga Mauger 09/17/1934 Fremont WY
MP37652 Ellen McCullum Drake 01/01/1967 Multnomah OR
MP2486 Mary Mclaughlin 01/01/1965 Ionia MI
MP39767 Martha Mertz 06/22/1961 Lancaster PA
MP10763 Ann Miller 07/02/1966 Porter IN
MP17085 Avis Mooney 09/01/1961 Henderson TX
MP5405 Marion Morton 12/30/1937 Sussex DE
MP10237 Pamela Nater 10/02/1966 Lake FL
MP25713 Margaret Peters 03/01/1962 King WA
MP18331 Darlene Polizzi 04/24/1967 Bergen NJ
MP1475 Donnis Redman 03/01/1958 Los Angeles CA
MP20169 Alice Reeves 05/25/1967 Calcasieu LA
MP28574 Ione Rehwinkle 01/01/1952 Olmsted MN
MP27557 Emily Richards 01/01/1964 Los Angeles CA
MP20187 Juanita Ritchie 11/01/1966 Perry KY
MP7259 Betty Roberts 11/06/1959 BaltimoreMD
MP18926 Judith Ruggirello 08/18/1968 Oakland MI
MP30754 Maria Ruthling 09/23/1965 Maricopa AZ
MP6982 Doris SCANDALIS 11/07/1960 Sacramento CA
MP28521 Evelyn Scott 05/16/1955 Los Angeles CA
MP13656 Bernice Selby 10/12/1962 Snohomish WA
MP7034 Beverly Sharpman 09/11/1947 Philadelphia PA
MP29446 Lora Skaggs 01/01/1948 Kanawha WV
MP11819 Bertha Smith 06/01/1944 Maricopa AZ
MP12536 Verna Smith 02/01/1968 Monterey CA
MP4525 Connie Smith 07/16/1952 Litchfield CT
MP5426 Deborah Spickler 07/24/1968 Tolland CT
MP10351 Patrick Sturbaum 08/02/1960 Solano CA
MP4642 Mary Ann Switalski 07/15/1963 Cook IL
MP29252 Nellie Tibbitts 10/01/1959 Santa Cruz CA
MP8385 Nadine Timm 11/16/1965 Will IL
MP14289 Frances Tuccitto 06/01/1953 Middlesex CT
MP8609 Floradean Walker 01/01/1951 Menard TX
MP15075 Diane Webb 05/06/1959 Maricopa AZ
MP32291 Amelia Zelko 09/25/1957 WillIL
MP9908 Mildred Zentner 08/28/1964 Wayne MI
MP22078 Grace Zoeller 08/01/1960 Maricopa AZ

I tried to find some possibles for Jane Doe a bit ago, and the only reasonable possibility I could find was Verna Smith (at least, in my opinion). She's been ruled out, though.

As for looking for possibles, I usually just go on NamUs's Missing Person Search (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)), take the available data on the UID, and input the data in the search fields provided, with some range so as to not completely exclude people just outside of the statistics.

Of course, your opinion may vary, but for statistics:

For decedents that have eye color available, I usually input "blue," "hazel," and "brown" in the eye color field for the search so as to not exclude missing persons whose eye color may've been hazel, but leaned enough to either blue-hazel/brown-hazel that the family just listed it as a blueish/brownish color.

Age, I usually put around +/- 8 years, sometimes more, on each side of the age range in the Missing Persons Search unless the UID is estimated to be elderly or an adolescent or younger.

Hair color, if the UID is light brown, I may put sandy and blonde along with brown. If they're dark brown, I may put black along with brown. That sort of stuff.

Date of disappearance of course depends on the condition the UID's body is in and, if it's available, the estimated PMI on NamUs (if there's a PMI provided, then I usually just go with that, maybe expanding it slightly if I have my personal doubts). If they're recognizable face, then usually I put my earliest possible date of disappearance in my search as about 2 months prior to the UID's discovery, with the possible exception of the UID being a runaway or transient.

Decomposing/putrefaction, I usually set my date of disappearance range in my search as anywhere from 1/2 a week to a few months prior to the UID's discovery, et cetera.

 

[Beekarina]

View attachment 246812 Judith Himes(or Hyams) is a possible match, although it seems more likely she died from a botched abortion. (Unless she took off?) She fits the hair color, eyes, age range, etc. Information on her case is sparse.

Judith Carole Himes – The Charley Project

 

[Andreee]

Ask, and you shall receive. There are 94 rule-outs listed on NamUs:


I tried to find some possibles for Jane Doe a bit ago, and the only reasonable possibility I could find was Verna Smith (at least, in my opinion). She's been ruled out, though.

As for looking for possibles, I usually just go on NamUs's Missing Person Search (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)), take the available data on the UID, and input the data in the search fields provided, with some range so as to not completely exclude people just outside of the statistics.

Of course, your opinion may vary, but for statistics:

For decedents that have eye color available, I usually input "blue," "hazel," and "brown" in the eye color field for the search so as to not exclude missing persons whose eye color may've been hazel, but leaned enough to either blue-hazel/brown-hazel that the family just listed it as a blueish/brownish color.

Age, I usually put around +/- 8 years, sometimes more, on each side of the age range in the Missing Persons Search unless the UID is estimated to be elderly or an adolescent or younger.

Hair color, if the UID is light brown, I may put sandy and blonde along with brown. If they're dark brown, I may put black along with brown. That sort of stuff.

Date of disappearance of course depends on the condition the UID's body is in and, if it's available, the estimated PMI on NamUs (if there's a PMI provided, then I usually just go with that, maybe expanding it slightly if I have my personal doubts). If they're recognizable face, then usually I put my earliest possible date of disappearance in my search as about 2 months prior to the UID's discovery, with the possible exception of the UID being a runaway or transient.

Decomposing/putrefaction, I usually set my date of disappearance range in my search as anywhere from 1/2 a week to a few months prior to the UID's discovery, et cetera.

Wow great, thanks and sorry for late reply!

 

[Andreee]

Ask, and you shall receive. There are 94 rule-outs listed on NamUs:


I tried to find some possibles for Jane Doe a bit ago, and the only reasonable possibility I could find was Verna Smith (at least, in my opinion). She's been ruled out, though.

As for looking for possibles, I usually just go on NamUs's Missing Person Search (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)), take the available data on the UID, and input the data in the search fields provided, with some range so as to not completely exclude people just outside of the statistics.

Of course, your opinion may vary, but for statistics:

For decedents that have eye color available, I usually input "blue," "hazel," and "brown" in the eye color field for the search so as to not exclude missing persons whose eye color may've been hazel, but leaned enough to either blue-hazel/brown-hazel that the family just listed it as a blueish/brownish color.

Age, I usually put around +/- 8 years, sometimes more, on each side of the age range in the Missing Persons Search unless the UID is estimated to be elderly or an adolescent or younger.

Hair color, if the UID is light brown, I may put sandy and blonde along with brown. If they're dark brown, I may put black along with brown. That sort of stuff.

Date of disappearance of course depends on the condition the UID's body is in and, if it's available, the estimated PMI on NamUs (if there's a PMI provided, then I usually just go with that, maybe expanding it slightly if I have my personal doubts). If they're recognizable face, then usually I put my earliest possible date of disappearance in my search as about 2 months prior to the UID's discovery, with the possible exception of the UID being a runaway or transient.

Decomposing/putrefaction, I usually set my date of disappearance range in my search as anywhere from 1/2 a week to a few months prior to the UID's discovery, et cetera.

Just one question, what is PMI, and again, thanks I will use this info to try to do id's as needed.

 

[Andreee]

View attachment 246812 View attachment 246813 View attachment 246814 View attachment 246813 Judith Himes(or Hyams) is a possible match, although it seems more likely she died from a botched abortion. (Unless she took off?) She fits the hair color, eyes, age range, etc. Information on her case is sparse.

Judith Carole Himes – The Charley Project

Yes, I do think being she most likely had a botched abortion, and her car was found later in 1965 with blood in back seat plus in light of the other details, that this is not the UID found in 1968 in Illinois. But just IMO.

 

[Beekarina]

PMI= post mortem interval

 

[GJKJR]

Just one question, what is PMI, and again, thanks I will use this info to try to do id's as needed.

Beekarina is right - PMI stands for post-mortem interval, the amount of time that is believed to have passed from the victim's death to their discovery.

View attachment 246812 View attachment 246813 View attachment 246814 View attachment 246813 Judith Himes(or Hyams) is a possible match, although it seems more likely she died from a botched abortion. (Unless she took off?) She fits the hair color, eyes, age range, etc. Information on her case is sparse.

Judith Carole Himes – The Charley Project

She does fit most of the statistics, but the circumstances and time gap make me feel that this match is somewhat unlikely. Personally, I don't think she shares an extreme amount of resemblance with the newest sketch either, though the first sketch seems to look more similar to her.

 

[sonz82]

Bumping with my own recon

 

[JusticeVIII]

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