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snipped by meAfter all this time, what would you do if you were an investigator in the Delphi double murder of Abigail Williams and Liberty German? After 2 1/2 years, how would you solve the case?
Did they call in the right people right away? Who collected the evidence at the crime scene? Did local LE think they could handle it and collected all of the crime scene evidence without realizing that this, is beyond their means, experience and realm of what their on the job training provided. Was the process by which they collected DNA done properly? IMO this local LE tried to handle the evidence collection process themselves and in doing so missed the opportunity to get the smoking gun. When I read that LE didn’t think these girls were in danger through a cold winter’s night was a bad judgment call. Local LE wants the notoriety for solving a double murder case. I think all LE wants that under their belt. I don’t doubt for one second that egos dictated how this case would be managed - too early. By the time they realized they were in over their head and sought the help of other LE agencies. Were they too late? Did they hastily process a crime scene with some assumptions in mind that they “had enough” to process? We are all imperfect humans. It is our strife for perfection where we learn from our mistakes. Let’s hope I’m wrong.I think the Delphi LE have done well. They recognized this crime was beyond their local resources, and they called in the appropriate help. I don't think they are waiting for DNA to solve this crime. They either have the DNA info by now or they don't. The repeated requests for someone to come forward if they recognize the person who "is hiding in plain sight" tells me they know who it is. How would they know the person was hiding in plain sight if they did not know who it U.S.? I think if LE did not know who did these murders, they would not know where he is hiding. Hopefully, soon that needed person will come forward and give the girl's families and the town of Delphi some peace.
I understand not wanting to spread panic but , I would think they would at least tell the public to have a heightened awareness while out and about and discuss the dangers to their children. I would rather be warned if more children are at risk of this monster as to not. And I have yet to hear any warnings in their press conferences. I see many of children standing at bus stops in the early morning hours with no adult supervision. Some of these children are way too young. Sadly as time goes on people tend to let their guard down . It is almost as if LE thinks this will be his only crime and he will never do it again. That is what I find very very ODD. I don't wish anyone to live under a rock and have their life lived in fear ….I just want to know why LE seems so relaxed in not addressing that issue. Every child deserves to have a fun filled life but sadly it doesn't always work that way.....Abby and Libby were doing just that and you see how that turned out,It would kind of be stating the obvious until he is in an iron bar cage where he belongs of course there is a danger. They clearly don’t want to make the community more afraid than it already is or cause more panic and anxiety than necessary.
In my opinion, after 2 1/2 years, investigators need to be a little more open to the idea that the killer might not be someone local to the Delphi, IN area. Just because someone knows about the Monon High Bridge does not make them local to the Delphi, IN area. I understand why people think that, but public places can be visited by anyone from anywhere.
Have they taken DNA from their own PD? Have they taken DNA from the magistrate, from the mayorate, from their doctors, priests, lawyers?
Snipped-This is my biggest concern if it is someone local and may also be the reason for potential DNA issues. It's possible that someone at the scene or within the search party could have easily been responsible and would have a very valid reason for their DNA being at the scene. If one of the DNA profiles matched an officer, I honestly doubt they would even consider questioning them, it would just be assumed they were doing their job. I'm not knocking LE in any way, but history has a way of showing that most LE are not treated the same as civilians when it comes to their actions. When you're being investigated by your own...
Were searchers required to show photo ID and sign in?
The second day searchers who gathered were asked to sign in. I am not sure if they asked for ID.Were searchers required to show photo ID and sign in?
I understand not wanting to spread panic but , I would think they would at least tell the public to have a heightened awareness while out and about and discuss the dangers to their children. I would rather be warned if more children are at risk of this monster as to not. And I have yet to hear any warnings in their press conferences. I see many of children standing at bus stops in the early morning hours with no adult supervision. Some of these children are way too young. Sadly as time goes on people tend to let their guard down . It is almost as if LE thinks this will be his only crime and he will never do it again. That is what I find very very ODD. I don't wish anyone to live under a rock and have their life lived in fear ….I just want to know why LE seems so relaxed in not addressing that issue. Every child deserves to have a fun filled life but sadly it doesn't always work that way.....Abby and Libby were doing just that and you see how that turned out,
JMO
So possibly there is no way to know the names of all the searchers who were walking through on the first day and overnight?The second day searchers who gathered were asked to sign in. I am not sure if they asked for ID.
I wonder if LE thought this was going to be an easy case initially? I think LE thought they'd be looking at personal connections and it would be done and over in no time. Therefore, no reason to panic the community. And once those words have been said, you can't come back a week later and tell everyone to lock their doors and keep the lights on because there's a deranged murderer hanging around. That would have caused A LOT more panic than it would have initially.
I think LE screwed up that first night. I think LE thought they were runaways and treated them as such. If LE honestly thought there was any possible way two teen girls were lost or injured on a cold night, they would not have called off the search. Sure it was dark and it was foggy, but they do searches all the time in far more treacherous terrain in the dark. I would imagine half the folks in Carroll county have tromped around in the woods in the same conditions at night for fun, they would have been quick to do it to potentially rescue two girls.
I'm half convinced LE still thinks this is someone affiliated with the girls in some fashion and that's why they are so sure it's someone with ties to Delphi.
I understand not wanting to spread panic but , I would think they would at least tell the public to have a heightened awareness while out and about and discuss the dangers to their children. I would rather be warned if more children are at risk of this monster as to not. And I have yet to hear any warnings in their press conferences. I see many of children standing at bus stops in the early morning hours with no adult supervision. Some of these children are way too young. Sadly as time goes on people tend to let their guard down . It is almost as if LE thinks this will be his only crime and he will never do it again. That is what I find very very ODD. I don't wish anyone to live under a rock and have their life lived in fear ….I just want to know why LE seems so relaxed in not addressing that issue. Every child deserves to have a fun filled life but sadly it doesn't always work that way.....Abby and Libby were doing just that and you see how that turned out,
JMO
I think definitely there is no way to know who searched the first day and overnight. Furthermore, if someone didn't sign in on the second day and kinda moseyed in or came late or from a different direction with as many searchers as there was I'd say next to impossible to have tabs on everyone there over two days.So possibly there is no way to know the names of all the searchers who were walking through on the first day and overnight?
I think definitely there is no way to know who searched the first day and overnight. Furthermore, if someone didn't sign in on the second day and kinda moseyed in or came late or from a different direction with as many searchers as there was I'd say next to impossible to have tabs on everyone there over two days.
I have read accounts of the second day.
They were assembled in a much different way from the first. The volunteer searchers were briefed i town until 11am, and sent to search an area far from where the girls were found.
Something that I can not wrap my mind around is why have LE never told the public to watch out for danger ? It just seems so odd that they don't ever say this crazed animal is out there and could strike again.
There might have been something in the crime scene that made them believe was a one time incident. Would be nice to have a profile.Yes, that is odd, ESPECIALLY after the April 22nd PC, seeing they now believe he either lives in Delphi, visits Delphi or works in Delphi. The only explanation I can come up with is that initially they took the position that this was most likely a random killing by an out-of-state killer so reoffending in the area was unlikely? HOWEVER, now that they believe the killer is local, "may be in this very room" local, I can only conclude that this was not a random attack, it was targeted, and they suspect why, and therefore do not feel everyday citizens of Delphi need to fear for their children, UNLESS, they are involved in the seedy underworld of methamphetamine and other illegal goings on. As always, JMO
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Isn’t it possible that some had just wandered into the area from a different direction, and not signed up to be a part of the official search?