sunsetbeach
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Real good thoughts FD! The last sentence you wrote is key:
'I want this case solved, a killer is on the loose here in the Midwest, and he went through all that trouble to kill two girls.'
Why did he go through all that trouble - and risks. He chose (did he?) a remote park area (remote? But then it's a snow day and kids/folks are out there. It is rather warm that day) to find a victim (two?) and to either assault them or murder them or both.
What was the motive? Thrill? Something happened and he had to silence the girls? How is the situation different now, than it was before the murder? Is there any difference? Besides the family situation changing by murdering the girls, what else changed? Delphi? The park? The bridge? What?
I know these are no new questions. However, if the killer is somewhat local (Delphi +-60 miles around), and this (a gruesome double murder outside in the woods) never happened in the area, then what happened, that made it happen?
Somebody moved to the area? From where and why? Or somebody visiting? Again, from where and why? Is there anything special about the area? The park? The bridge? Delphi? Indiana?
One thing I ran into are these Indiana Gov. approved Legacy Projects. It is a silly thought, but since Delphi and the surroundings are very heritage devoted, did someone try to create their own legacy in a very bizarre and evil way?
ALL IMO
-Nin
Thanks for the information. I find maps to be one of the most helpful tools available!
So before Hoosier Heartland Highway was there, where were the access roads to the CPS building? Was it where 300 meets with Main St.?
I agree that BG was likely familiar with the 300 rd area. To me, it makes the most sense that he lived on or traveled that road on a regular basis, which meant he knew about the bridge and various parking. I know it isn't a heavily traveled road, but I think it's possible he was already there for another reason when he saw the girls dropped off.
Wow, it's hardly recognizable! Thanks!Attached file I cropped from a Google Earth image taken in late 2010, it shows the old alignment(s) for C.R. 300, old IN 25, the CPS building, and the business(s?) located by the CPS building.
The area looks completely different now compared to then, and the CPS building was razed in mid-2018.
Edit: I will add another image to this post, shortly.
I've read and researched a lot of info about IK and his known tactics. Yes, he would often times park his vehicle at a different spot than where, say, "'most" people would.
Post #7 in the "Possible Sightings" thread for IK is, in my mind, a perfect example of how a killer would target people out in a wooded and/or secluded area, I believe it's a Keyes sighting/encounter and shows how a killer could creep up on a person or a couple to feel them out for an attack:
Possible Sightings
Again in my mind this indicates a substantial amount of planning, and some knowledge of the terrain beforehand. Keyes targeted people in the woods who fell into his "trap", a secluded area where he could get a victim or victims away from quickly to an area where he would torture, sexually assault, and murder his victims. Abduct, move them away from the abduction point quickly to a spot he had selected beforehand, then he would do his deeds. I believe BG used a very similar thought process in the Delphi case, with the big exception being A&L were in a place where they could be found fairly easily.
The SE end of the MHB was BG's trap, so long as his potential victim(s) stayed put and didn't get off of the bridge and away from it.
JMO
Do you think the Delphi killer is a Keyes wanna-be?
Some think he was referring back to when he was discussing the Flora fire culprit. I have not listened to it to make a judgement.In the video on page one, Doug Carter states, in reference to the Delphi Case, beginning at 11:00 or so, at 11:14 "Either one of these individuals, or a group, whatever that may be that were involved in this"
It has been my contention, MOO, and this wording appears to me to clearly support it, that there was more than one perp involved in the murders of A&L. I'd like to see what a voice/body language analysis expert would have to say about what I perceive to be some discomfort that arises in these fine gentlemen when the wording comes out. It appears to me that "Either one of these individuals" was a pretty clear factual statement, immediately followed up by "or a group" and "whatever that might be that were involved in this", seemingly in an attempt to soften the original statement pointing to two people.
IMO, it is apparent there are two perps involved, and ISP knows who they are. They are asking for one of them to come forward and do the right thing.
I find it quite interesting.
Thanks for re-opening the thread.
In the video on page one, Doug Carter states, in reference to the Delphi Case, beginning at 11:00 or so, at 11:14 "Either one of these individuals, or a group, whatever that may be that were involved in this"
It has been my contention, MOO, and this wording appears to me to clearly support it, that there was more than one perp involved in the murders of A&L. I'd like to see what a voice/body language analysis expert would have to say about what I perceive to be some discomfort that arises in these fine gentlemen when the wording comes out. It appears to me that "Either one of these individuals" was a pretty clear factual statement, immediately followed up by "or a group" and "whatever that might be that were involved in this", seemingly in an attempt to soften the original statement pointing to two people.
IMO, it is apparent there are two perps involved, and ISP knows who they are. They are asking for one of them to come forward and do the right thing.
I find it quite interesting.
Thanks for re-opening the thread.
Some think he was referring back to when he was discussing the Flora fire culprit. I have not listened to it to make a judgement.
In the video on page one, Doug Carter states, in reference to the Delphi Case, beginning at 11:00 or so, at 11:14 "Either one of these individuals, or a group, whatever that may be that were involved in this"
It has been my contention, MOO, and this wording appears to me to clearly support it, that there was more than one perp involved in the murders of A&L. I'd like to see what a voice/body language analysis expert would have to say about what I perceive to be some discomfort that arises in these fine gentlemen when the wording comes out. It appears to me that "Either one of these individuals" was a pretty clear factual statement, immediately followed up by "or a group" and "whatever that might be that were involved in this", seemingly in an attempt to soften the original statement pointing to two people.
IMO, it is apparent there are two perps involved, and ISP knows who they are. They are asking for one of them to come forward and do the right thing.
I find it quite interesting.
Thanks for re-opening the thread.
Makes me wonder why two sketches have been released, and LE have not yanked one or the other. Is there some significance to this?
JMO
In the video on page one, Doug Carter states, in reference to the Delphi Case, beginning at 11:00 or so, at 11:14 "Either one of these individuals, or a group, whatever that may be that were involved in this"
It has been my contention, MOO, and this wording appears to me to clearly support it, that there was more than one perp involved in the murders of A&L. I'd like to see what a voice/body language analysis expert would have to say about what I perceive to be some discomfort that arises in these fine gentlemen when the wording comes out. It appears to me that "Either one of these individuals" was a pretty clear factual statement, immediately followed up by "or a group" and "whatever that might be that were involved in this", seemingly in an attempt to soften the original statement pointing to two people.
IMO, it is apparent there are two perps involved, and ISP knows who they are. They are asking for one of them to come forward and do the right thing.
I've read and researched a lot of info about IK and his known tactics. Yes, he would often times park his vehicle at a different spot than where, say, "'most" people would.
Post #7 in the "Possible Sightings" thread for IK is, in my mind, a perfect example of how a killer would target people out in a wooded and/or secluded area, I believe it's a Keyes sighting/encounter and shows how a killer could creep up on a person or a couple to feel them out for an attack:
Possible Sightings
Again in my mind this indicates a substantial amount of planning, and some knowledge of the terrain beforehand. Keyes targeted people in the woods who fell into his "trap", a secluded area where he could get a victim or victims away from quickly to an area where he would torture, sexually assault, and murder his victims. Abduct, move them away from the abduction point quickly to a spot he had selected beforehand, then he would do his deeds. I believe BG used a very similar thought process in the Delphi case, with the big exception being A&L were in a place where they could be found fairly easily.
The SE end of the MHB was BG's trap, so long as his potential victim(s) stayed put and didn't get off of the bridge and away from it.
JMO
I can’t reconcile how the 2 sketches can be so different unless there were 2 people.
Jmo but I do not believe LE has any idea who killed the girls
The conclusion I've come to is there's a very high likelihood BG not only knows the bridge area and areas immediately around C.R. 300, the "area in question" in this case, but he knew it before the highway opened in 2014.