Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #121

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Charlot123 said:
It would be interesting to look at such a list of 2017, maybe someone’s alibi depends on “attended an auction” on that day. And in general, to see if there were any events in CC on February 23, 2017.

But you know, @JnRyan, I found an interesting thing even on your page.

Board of aviation.

I never knew that Delphi had own municipal airport. I understand it serves private planes, but why did I never consider private pilots? And that historically, farmland and aviation were tied?

Tell me it is my wild imagination that includes a private plane into a potential escape route.
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Air traffic is very easy to track, even by the public. Might be interesting to take a look nonetheless.
Delphi Airport - AirNav: 1I9 - Delphi Municipal Airport
Flora Airport - AirNav: 5I2 - Flora Municipal Airport

Track flights:
Flightaware - FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status
Flightradar24 - Flightradar24: Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map
 
ab01 said:
A prior connection such as in the JC case yields no evidence to help solve a particular crime. There was no way to prove it other than the attackers own words. PP was a stranger to JC in every sense of the word. I believe in this case the girls didn’t have any idea who BG was either. I’m more concerned with a type of connection that would yield evidence, I don’t believe there is any in this case.
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JP was a stranger to Jayme. Yet JP targeted Jayme. We cannot know if his story that he saw her at a bus stop is true. We do know his attack on her wasn’t random opportunity. JP was a sick man with an agenda.

I can’t wrap my head around the idea that a perfectly normal stranger just happened to be on the trail that day and the girls just crossed his path and he suddenly decided to commit double homicide, then go back to his normal life. Random stranger flies into rage and murders two girls, having a bad day. No. A psychopath might, yes.

I believe it’s more likely that there was some type of previous connection between BG and Libby and/or Abby, even if it was one-way and unknown to the girls. Simply my own opinion.

We don’t fully know what evidence LE has. Can only hope that there is enough evidence to eventually solve this case and convict the person who murdered the girls.
 
steeltowngirl said:
I can’t wrap my head around the idea that a perfectly normal stranger just happened to be on the trail that day and the girls just crossed his path and he suddenly decided to commit double homicide, then go back to his normal life.
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Yet it appears that’s what happened to the two little girls, Lyric and Elizabeth, in Iowa, no?
 
SuzDuJour said:
Yet it appears that’s what happened to the two little girls, Lyric and Elizabeth, in Iowa, no?
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Yep it’s rare but it does happen and they are generally the most difficult to solve. The biggest thing that has obviously hampered that and this investigation from the start is that they could never establish a link to a specific person. From that point forward investigators have the deck stacked against them.
 
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bradfordsleuth said:
I am so glad to see this case still on page 1! Lots for me to catch up on I see! :)

Reminder that the Delphi case will be featured on In Pursuit With John Walsh at 10:00 p.m. ET.
April 1, 2020

Here is a link for those who can log in to watch it online.
In Pursuit with John Walsh | Watch Full Episodes & More! - Investigation Discovery
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Thank you for this important update @bradfordsleuth I had forgotten about it because of the coronavirus crisis.

Thank you to all of you for continuing to post in Abigail and Liberty’s case thread and for not giving up on justice for them.

I really hope the monster does not get coronavirus we need him in court in shackles.
 
Inali said:
Air traffic is very easy to track, even by the public. Might be interesting to take a look nonetheless.
Delphi Airport - AirNav: 1I9 - Delphi Municipal Airport
Flora Airport - AirNav: 5I2 - Flora Municipal Airport

Track flights:
Flightaware - FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status
Flightradar24 - Flightradar24: Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map
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Purdue University also has an airport. It is the second busiest FAA staffed air traffic control tower and the second busiest airport in the entire state of Indiana, according to Wikipedia. The Purdue airport also has 2 medical helicopters. In calendar year 2017, there were over 3700 passenger boardings. Much of the traffic, but not all, is affiliated with Purdue's aviation programs. The airport is also used as a charter for Purdue sports. Purdue University Airport - Wikipedia

I keep going back to the LE who said ( paraphrased) that he had heard BG's voice before, he just couldn't place where he had heard it. Maybe he heard BG's voice at the airport?
 
rainwaterstill said:
Purdue University also has an airport. It is the second busiest FAA staffed air traffic control tower and the second busiest airport in the entire state of Indiana, according to Wikipedia. The Purdue airport also has 2 medical helicopters. In calendar year 2017, there were over 3700 passenger boardings. Much of the traffic, but not all, is affiliated with Purdue's aviation programs. The airport is also used as a charter for Purdue sports. Purdue University Airport - Wikipedia

I keep going back to the LE who said ( paraphrased) that he had heard BG's voice before, he just couldn't place where he had heard it. Maybe he heard BG's voice at the airport?
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What an interesting thought!
And you know, that deadpan voice is common to "steady eddie" pilots and Airtower controllers....isn't it?! Alpha bravo tango whiskey!

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
gregjrichards said:
Thank you for this important update @bradfordsleuth I had forgotten about it because of the coronavirus crisis.

Thank you to all of you for continuing to post in Abigail and Liberty’s case thread and for not giving up on justice for them.

I really hope the monster does not get coronavirus we need him in court in shackles.
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Yes I agree. I am watching In Pursuit now. Hopefully that one tip comes in.
 
OK. Here’s my latest crazy theory. This is about Theory #5 for me, but that’s probably about average for all of us by now I’m thinking. So read it, think on it, pick it apart, point out it’s flaws. I am interested. Just be kind about it.
One thing that I could never understand is why the killer would purposely lead the girls across the creek in mid-February in Indiana. But...I accepted it. Until last fall when I stopped accepting it and decided they all ended up across the creek only because the girls had made a run for it.(see StarryStarryNight crazy theory #4) Anyway. Now the issue became if the killer was not leading them across the creek, where, on the south side of the creek, was he leading them. Maybe that deer shack upstream? Hard to figure. But there is here this scenario.

The killer drives into the long private driveway that goes under the south end of MHB. He doesn’t park it under the bridge but about 50 yards west. Lots of trees there according to the map.( I absolutely do not believe his car is visible in any photo taken of the bridge that day) He is there hoping for an opportunity to kidnap someone. He sees the girls start across the bridge from the north side and as they near the south side he steps onto the bridge and begins to cross in the opposite direction and passes them at some point. He then turns around and walks back toward the south end like the girls. Pictures and videos are taken. As the killer reaches the end of the bridge he tells the girls he is a bridge safety inspector or something and the bridge is unsafe and they cannot cross back over. A conversation ensues on how the girls will get back to trailhead and he says he knows a place to cross. They question it. He says “Guys...you cannot re-cross this unsafe bridge...down the hill”. (This is the gap in the audio clip. LE doesn’t want people to know he presented himself as an authority figure) They all go down the first slope to the private drive where he pulls a gun and tries to walk them to his car. They take off running down toward the creek and cross it. The killer chases and eventually catches them and kills them. He crosses the creek, climbs the hill, gets in his car and is gone.LE is concentrating on the other side of the creek and it’s trailheads etc and the killer was never really over there.
I know there some holes in it. So let me know what you think. In a gentle and friendly way of course.
 
Does anyone believe the girls may have asked BG to take a picture of them together? As in, he knew the perfect scenic spot to snap a shot?
Also I’m pretty sure I’ve asked before but after watching tonight, has there ever been confirmation that the witness (one of the girl’s dad), who inquired with someone on the bridge regarding whether he had seen two girls and the witness responded “I saw a couple under the bridge,” does it mean a couple of girls literally or a couple of to include two males, two different females or a couple intended to mean a male/female scenario? TIA
I would love some confirmation on the “couple” description please!
 
Ok I just watched the In Pursit episode and I can't help but be again, so totally upset by ISP Carter's statements about the killer being a combination of sketch 1 and 2.

"Two sketches released in Delphi murders are not of the same man, Indiana State Police say"
"The man depicted in an old sketch released to the public two years ago is no longer believed to be the person who killed teens Abigail Williams and Liberty German in Delphi, Indiana State Police said.

The man in the 2017 sketch was a person of interest in the investigation during that period, police said.
Now, that's no longer the case."...

..."While both sketches were drawn in 2017, police clarified that the renderings are "not the same person."...

"The Delphi community should reflect back on people they know in the community that look similar to the sketch released on April 22," the release said."

I just don't understand the conflicting statements that ISP Carter has made. It truly baffles me as to why it continues without it being specifically explained, by him, as being a mistake was made and this is the correction. Isn't that what the whole releasing the second sketch was all about, righting a wrong? Apparently not in Carter's mind...why?
Two sketches released in Delphi murders are not of the same man, Indiana State Police say
 
ab01 said:
I agree, it’s almost certain that the girls had no idea who BG was. All they knew was that some creeper was following them.
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BTW, I am not taking all that tape for granted. First, we don’t know what is tied up to what, time-wise. Second, not sure that the family listened to the whole tape. What is in the beginning, what is in the end, we don’t know. We were supposed to recognize the voice. Most didn’t. Some could have, but we don’t know how it all progressed.
 
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