Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #124

[rosesfromangels]

I postulate the possibility that 'down the hill' was not a directive. We simply do not know for certain.

However, I do believe they may have been tricked in to descending that hill. Which leads me to ask, what, or who, may have been down that hill?

You see, as this case is surely not solved, to ponder alternative, outside the box, outside the norm of what might be called 'acceptable' theory, IMO, is important.

Has there ever been any absolute, definitive proof, or MSM/LE statement, that they crossed that creek that day?

We don't know

 

[Imvp2]

Or, "hey I'll take your picture down there, let's go down the hill", something along those lines.

JMO

mOO In between "Guys" and "down the hill" I can hear one of the girls shrieking "Oh my God"

 

[rosesfromangels]

If there’s any truth to this, there’s no connection.
Cops Suspect Dad in Missing Iowa Girls Case, Family Member Says


A conversation with Lyric Cook's father from behind bars
Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins went missing July 13, 2012.

About a year and a half later, Lyric’s father Dan Morrissey was sentenced to 90 years for multiple, unrelated drug charges........Now, he is spending at least thirty years at the Fort Dodge Correctional Facility in Fort Dodge, Iowa...”

The fact that the girls had adults in their lives with extensive criminal histories is very troubling. Criminals hang out with other criminals, and when drugs are involved their moral compasses malfunction. Let us hope all the extended associates have been thoroughly investigated. I'm not up to speed on whether their were similar issues in Delphi, and whether there were any criminal connections to Evansdale. I don't recall hearing of any.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[sunshineray]

From your link.....”the system scours AI-generated examples of high-resolution faces, searching for ones that look as much as possible like the input image when shrunk down to the same size...”.

The outcome would be dependant on the compatibles. How would it ever be known if accurate comparibles were used without knowing the identity of the suspect? Given the two very different sketches released of the possible suspect, I think that would prove very problematic.

I agree with you. If you look though at the actual picture of the person and then after the image is destroyed by pixelation, the computer's AI rendition in the end result is still pretty darn close, in general features, to the original photo.

Granted the testing is also working with well shot and intimate photos and not at distance taken on a cell phone quality. I just thought it was an interesting development in that tech science and a hopeful advance.

 

[Serdavc]

I don’t have the link at hand but best as I recall it was a video interview of LE or possibly the FBI. But it’s not a rumour, it was a recorded statement by LE that I watched. There’s a lot of very informative videos from early on which were never transcribed into media reports, unfortunately. A reporter questioned why the photo couldn’t be clearer and the response was, again my recollect, the word mess was referred to regarding the state of the original image and that both NASA and Disney’s assistance had been obtained to clarify it as best as possible.

When the photo was first released, prior to the audio or video, indeed many people though only the local police dept was involved in its release and therefore were critical of the poor quality and in not seeking outside professionals.

Maybe somebody here remembers the source of the comment.

ETA - It appears there was also mention of this by Abby’s mom on Dr Phil Dec/17.
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Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #76
“The photo of perp is as good as it gets. NASA, Disney has tried to get better photo, per Anna, but LE says it's all they can do.”

Thank you Misty. I agree, the only msm statements I can find is from Anna saying on Dr. Phil that the FBI said Disney and NASA looked at the video and that’s the best they could come up with. I just can’t find any definitive proof that these agencies actually worked on this video.

 

[Serdavc]

MOO—This is only my opinion, but I believe if NASA and Disney had not been consulted, those two entities would have clarified that information by now. Their employees might not comment to confirm that they did work on the images, but I truly believe if they had not, spokespeople from the companies would state that. Both have reputations to protect, and not clarifying misleading information in the murder of two young girls would not reflect positively on them. What would NASA or Disney have to gain by helping promote misinformation?

Exactly Pillywiggin, I actually agree with you 1000% Why on earth would Disney and NASA promote misinformation? I can currently see only two alternatives. 1. Disney and NASA did clean up the video but local LE disregarded the cleaned up versions and explained to those agencies that their poorly released video was for the good of the investigation. Or 2. Disney and NASA were never consulted in the first place. If I could find definitive proof that the video was analyzed by NASA and Disney, then I would put my questions to rest.

 

[MistyWaters]

Interesting, this quote is regarding the 2012 Evansdale murders of Elizabeth and Lyric. I’m willing to bet randomly abducted children has become less common in each passing year as online activity by children continues to explode. A predators paradise, luring online, as “a friend” trust is built from a safe distance until....

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Among the perplexing aspects of the killings: The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children says abductions of random children have become less common; predators typically seek children online. It's rarer still for two children to be taken at once, and in the middle of the day.
The pain of 2 Iowa girls' killings remains, but resolve in Evansdale only grows

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[StarryStarryNight]

Thank you Misty. I agree, the only msm statements I can find is from Anna saying on Dr. Phil that the FBI said Disney and NASA looked at the video and that’s the best they could come up with. I just can’t find any definitive proof that these agencies actually worked on this video.

I don’t doubt that NASA and Disney have tried to clear the image. Why would LE make something like that up? If they lied about getting this help, how would that benefit the investigation?
It’s very possible that tiny video is about all LE has of BG. I feel certain if Libby had continued filming him as he walked toward them, the image would have gotten better the closer he got to the girls and LE would have released a much better picture for us.
I would also say that image and video probably won’t be important pieces of evidence at any trial. It’s purpose was to get names from people who think they recognize him. I hope LE has different evidence to convict him.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Thank you Misty. I agree, the only msm statements I can find is from Anna saying on Dr. Phil that the FBI said Disney and NASA looked at the video and that’s the best they could come up with. I just can’t find any definitive proof that these agencies actually worked on this video.

I don’t doubt that NASA and Disney have tried to clear the image. Why would LE make something like that up? If they lied about getting this help, how would that benefit the investigation?
It’s very possible that tiny video is about all LE has of BG. I feel certain if Libby had continued filming him as he walked toward them, the image would have gotten better the closer he got to the girls and LE would have released a much better picture for us.
I would also say that image and video probably won’t be important pieces of evidence at any trial. It’s purpose was to get names from people who think they recognize him. I hope LE has different evidence to convict him.

 

[MistyWaters]

Thank you Misty. I agree, the only msm statements I can find is from Anna saying on Dr. Phil that the FBI said Disney and NASA looked at the video and that’s the best they could come up with. I just can’t find any definitive proof that these agencies actually worked on this video.

You’re welcome. I looked at a few older videos of LE PCs and interviews and couldn’t find it either although I know I watched it. During the first while after the murders, the concern about the grainy quality of the photo was definitely noticed and often expressed.

But as for proof, I’m not so sure either Disney or NASA would be obliged to offer it to the public. If you’re aware of any means or agency who’s able to further perfect the photo, you could certainly contact the Delphi Taskforce.

 

[Charlot123]

Interesting, this quote is regarding the 2012 Evansdale murders of Elizabeth and Lyric. I’m willing to bet randomly abducted children has become less common in each passing year as online activity by children continues to explode. A predators paradise, luring online, as “a friend” trust is built from a safe distance until....

BBM

Among the perplexing aspects of the killings: The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children says abductions of random children have become less common; predators typically seek children online. It's rarer still for two children to be taken at once, and in the middle of the day.
The pain of 2 Iowa girls' killings remains, but resolve in Evansdale only grows

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Yesterday I read about a huge pedophile scandal in Northern Rhineland-Westfalia.

Germany investigates 30,000 suspects in pedophile probe in western Bergisch Gladbach

It is about a huge pedophile probe in Northern Rhineland - Westfalia.

There are many political elements of this probe, unrelated to other cases, but they are beyond the point of current discussion.

What is shocking is the number of the accused. 30000. The articles state that the high numbers are not typical for northern Rhineland-Westfalia; rather, this land was more diligent in looking for them.

The pedophiles traded photos of child abuses on apps...

So, I agree, in no way does the Internet connection between the perpetrator and the victim imply victim blaming. Rather, the predators are actively using new technologies allowing them to stay hidden.

I don't know how many killers were involved in Delphi murders. But I feel that maybe the girls were a threat to several people, not one, and while the crime was planned fast, a lot of finances was invested into it.

And personally, I don't feel there is a connection between IA and IN, merely because Evansdale girls were "tweens", and Delphi girls, teenagers, and rather mature-looking. Also, sadly, there might be way more creepy pedophiles around than we think.

JMO.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

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Many good points there. Recently on Reddit a poster criticized me while emphasizing, "Everybody knows it's a target-rich area."

I didn't respond but I was laughing while reading it. Somehow people envision Monon High as a park with female joggers and dog walkers and waving to friends amidst dependable traffic especially of certain demographics. Meanwhile it's a trail on the outskirts of a very small town. The single most likely occupancy is zero. That doesn't soar to certainty of plentiful targets on a snow day. That is a bizarre adjustment, after the fact. Adjustments are ridiculously popular. When I lived in Las Vegas all I had to do was calmly wager toward normalcy while everyone else was projecting to the subjective extreme in either direction. It is amazing how well that works.

DeAngelo could pick two targets because he had logically high confidence level that is what a suburban home would hold, especially in that era of earlier marriages, and after doing reconnaissance. Bridge Guy can't do reconnaissance, other than the layout. Otherwise the population of a trail is extraordinarily random. He would have to expose himself to fish smell guest status if he showed up day after day at the same trail looking for exactly his preference and exactly how many.

Frankly the analysis of this case would make a heck of a lot more sense to me if we didn't know anything about Abby and Libby's morning. We could pretend they absolutely knew they would be at the bridge that afternoon. We could pretend certainly they had arranged for a secret meeting. Snapchat on the bridge will be a blast. Instead we have multiple and consistent reports from Kelsi and Becky toward how mundane and random it was. Kelsi said yes and not no.

It was random for Bridge Guy also. It doesn't even make a heck of a lot of sense to park your car there, if he did park near the abandoned building. There's a camera on the Anderson building smack across County Road 300. That's probably how law enforcement became aware of the car in the first place.

Bridge Guy didn't get scared of that faraway camera because he expected it to be just another example of visiting a trail while well prepared, but nothing going to click.

 

[Ravenmoon]

So these parents are focused on his repentance? Are they involved with organized religion in any way? Is the father a minister? I ask because ministers change parishes from time to time. The son of a minister might not have grown up in Delphi and might have been something of an outsider. He could have had resentment against the community.

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I just pray that LE has exhaustively looked for all connections between these four families. I'm speculating there are, aside from the sad and obvious fact they have all lost their children to murder:

-Any work connections, church connections, sports leagues, criminal histories, pending or old lawsuits, petitions, labor unions, etc. I would look for any and all patterns, if even seemingly small. There is something linking these four families together....

Amateur opinion and speculation

Was one girl of each pair of girls living with a grandparent? Delphi - yes. Evansdale, Idk, but I think so. Might be a connection, for what reason ever. MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yes.

Meaningful but meaningless - the "yes".

 

[SMK777]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I wish BG would be arrested and the connection proven. IF he is indeed responsible for both crimes, then his freedom from prosecution dates back over 8 years in the Evansdale case, and 3 1/2 years in the Delphi case.

I sometimes get discouraged and wonder if in fact there will ever be a genuine resolution.

 

[rosesfromangels]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> I wish BG would be arrested and the connection proven. IF he is indeed responsible for both crimes, then his freedom from prosecution dates back over 8 years in the Evansdale case, and 3 1/2 years in the Delphi case.

I sometimes get discouraged and wonder if in fact there will ever be a genuine resolution.

You can count on it. We have some incredible, dedicated heroes in LE, and they won't give up. I have learned a great deal helping with my amateur research on another case. IMO, the slowdown is largely due to the lack of federated data systems, and the variant procedures to enter critical data state by state. There is progress being made, but being able to streamline the process and "see" the patterns at a national and global basis will greatly increase arrests. Combine that with DNA advances....we are getting there.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[SMK777]

You can count on it. We have some incredible, dedicated heroes in LE, and they won't give up. I have learned a great deal helping with my amateur research on another case. IMO, the slowdown is largely due to the lack of federated data systems, and the variant procedures to enter critical data state by state. There is progress being made, but being able to streamline the process and "see" the patterns at a national and global basis will greatly increase arrests. Combine that with DNA advances....we are getting there.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Thanks for the encouraging words! Really helps.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>In light of this, I wish BG would be arrested and the connection proven. IF he is indeed responsible for both crimes, then his freedom from prosecution dates back over 8 years in the Evansdale case, and 3 1/2 years in the Delphi case.

I sometimes get discouraged and wonder if in fact there will ever be a genuine resolution.

The Iowa girls would probably be a more circumstantial case to show similarities between those murders and the Delphi girls murders where hopefully they have more solid evidence to link to the killer. The case would show a pattern of a serial killer if it is linked to the Delphi case even circumstantially.

 

[Charlot123]

You can count on it. We have some incredible, dedicated heroes in LE, and they won't give up. I have learned a great deal helping with my amateur research on another case. IMO, the slowdown is largely due to the lack of federated data systems, and the variant procedures to enter critical data state by state. There is progress being made, but being able to streamline the process and "see" the patterns at a national and global basis will greatly increase arrests. Combine that with DNA advances....we are getting there.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Do they allow non-specialist volunteers help? I know that in different genealogy databases, they allow volunteers help with digitizing the data. Potentially, the same could help here.