IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #78

[FrostedGlass]

That’s what I can’t get- where was he on the afternoon of February 13? His letter does not address that.

I get the importance of standing before a jury of ones peers, and we are only online sleuthers, truly. His reasoning for going to Colorado makes sense. Not sure that clears him in any of the cases he is surrounded, though.

I am not saying he did it, but at the same time, he has so many personality traits of a person who could do a crime like this, and I feel like for the 100th time, I still say, if it’s not him, it’s someone like him.

The alibi would seal the deal for me on DN being innocent. He says he is.

Where was he that day?

Just my opinion.

BBM

Maybe he was under the bridge in Martinsville, smoking dope, getting high instead of going with his wife to her ultrasound.

We don't even know for sure he was homeless at that time. Maybe she had to quit her job and he "left home" so she could get govt help.

 

[Jabarn]

Yes, he wasn’t being a paternal figure, from what I can tell. I know people here are tired of hearing about him, and nothing coming from it. I get that.

By the way, the picture bushnell posted above of the camouflage baseball cap. I tried to reply to it, and I just got the quote from the reply (which was great!)

A camouflage baseball cap was how I saw it from day one. I am open to suggestion, and memories can morph and change, but that was the first thing I thought when seeing the bulk on the head of the BG snap of the still from Libby’s phone. Still very impressed with her.

 

[HockeyMom330]

I have always felt it was a cap as well but if there are eye witnesses then maybe we are wrong and it wasn’t a cap.

A base ball cap is quite distinctive so maybe it’s the angle we are seeing the image at that makes it look like a cap.

IIRC regarding the hat in the composite sketch, I believe the public was asked to disregard the style of the hat and focus on the man's facial features. It is easy to change or remove a hat, but far harder to alter the shape of your eyes or size of your nose. I think BG was wearing a hat (IMO it does resemble a camo cap on backwards) but its style is irrelevant. I think the sketch artist added a hat to the composite drawing because few details about the man's upper forehead and hairline were visible to the eye witness(es).

 

[Jabarn]

I'm not convinced Libby stood at the end of the bridge and videoed BG walking toward her. Something on the Dr Phil show was mentioned that gave me the distinct impression the brief fleeting glimpse that was later recreated into photos was all there is. I do recall that both NASA and Disney were mentioned for helping bring it into reality and it's the best that technology has to offer.

Regardless, I don't think that anybody's gait while walking on that uneven surface of the trestle would be recognizable considering the photo, the voice and the sketch that have already been released. But JMO.

One more mention about the show. The various "hidden men" in the photo were talked about and totally dispelled by the family who of course are fully familiar with the landscape. It made me wonder how many of the 26,000 tips were made regarding that.

I wonder about that the gait many have thought about here, too. Sorry to be hogging the thread, folks! The bridge is very high, the slats on the bridge are uneven, the slats are separated where you can see the ground below, and it, seems, to me, you would be compelled to look down, and step awkwardly to get across.

The hands in the pockets, I can’t explain.

IMO (in my opinion)

 

[minazoe]

I would sure think so! Or some of his fellow buddies under the bridges! Or his wife! There's numerous ways DN could have (and probably did) hear about IP.

maybe they are not looking for a suspect at the plant but someone who knows or recognizes DN. MOO

 

[Yvettea]

I wonder about that the gait many have thought about here, too. Sorry to be hogging the thread, folks! The bridge is very high, the slats on the bridge are uneven, the slats are separated where you can see the ground below, and it, seems, to me, you would be compelled to look down, and step awkwardly to get across.

The hands in the pockets, I can’t explain.

IMO (in my opinion)

The hands in the pockets ... he definitely seemed comfortable walking the bridge.

 

[Jabarn]

IIRC regarding the hat in the composite sketch, I believe the public was asked to disregard the style of the hat and focus on the man's facial features. It is easy to change or remove a hat, but far harder to alter the shape of your eyes or size of your nose. I think BG was wearing a hat (IMO it does resemble a camo cap on backwards) but its style is irrelevant. I think the sketch artist added a hat to the composite drawing because few details about the man's upper forehead and hairline were visible to the eye witness(es).

The press release was cautioned for the public to ignore the hat, and focus on the facial features, for sure. I can’t figure out for life of me why they put a hipster newsboy hat on the sketch, and then told everyone to ignore it. A lesson learned, maybe?

 

[kkdj]

There was early discussion many threads ago that maybe the BG had pushed one of them off the bridge but that was more or less ruled out because of where they both ended up.

There was a video that someone posted who went to the bridge area and they pegged the spot of the "hill" IMO. It was a little path right near the end of the bridge in the direction the BG is seen walking.

He may have pegged it wrong but I think he got it right because it was the closest end in the direction he is walking and it sure looked like a hill and it went right down to the water level from the end. From there he showed how it was a fairly easy walk to get to the area where the girls were by walking on that same side of the creek and then only crossing over right about where they were found. Because it is pretty shallow there.

Anyway sorry I didnt save that persons video but he did a good job IMO of pegging the "hill" that is most likely the hill BG talked about on the voice recording.

Its on youtube and sorry i dont have the link handy.

I recall this. What I really meant was do we know if both of the girls were with him when he said down the hill or did one follow after she saw her friend being "escorted" down the hill? The recording might let us know that! If this is accurate (not saying it is) then he didn't corral 2 girls at the same time.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

I wonder about that the gait many have thought about here, too. Sorry to be hogging the thread, folks! The bridge is very high, the slats on the bridge are uneven, the slats are separated where you can see the ground below, and it, seems, to me, you would be compelled to look down, and step awkwardly to get across.

The hands in the pockets, I can’t explain.

IMO (in my opinion)

Hi, Jabarn,

Abby has her hands in her jacket pockets in the photo Libby posted to Snapchat, too.

 

[kkdj]

We were told to ignore the cap, although I can't imagine why they drew that cap on him, unless both witnesses reported different hats.

I wonder what the time frames are in between witnesses. At a point he could have just been wearing a hood.

 

[Jabarn]

Hi, Jabarn,

Abby has her hands in her jacket pockets in the photo Libby posted to Snapchat, too.

She did. I thought about that after I posted. Wonder why?

I would have to sit on my bum and scoot across that bridge out of fear!

She also seemed to be looking down, watching her feet, like the BG.

 

[HockeyMom330]

The press release was cautioned for the public to ignore the hat, and focus on the facial features, for sure. I can’t figure out for life of me why they put a hipster newsboy hat on the sketch, and then told everyone to ignore it. A lesson learned, maybe?

I think they purposely put an uncommon and inaccurate hat on the sketch so they wouldn't get a thousand tips about some guy who wears a ball cap or a camo hat--that way they could instead get tips where the tipster reports seeing or knowing someone with a similar face to the sketch. This type of tip would be more valid as I'm assuming that most outdoorsy men in the Delphi area own a cap, but few own a newsboy style hat.

 

[Brubon]

You could be right that maybe they only have more audio. They definitely have more audio according to the lead detective. But as far as whether any of it would help who knows.

"Sgt. Holeman tells us investigators have more audio from Libby’s phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene.
“It does not appear to be anything more than some discussion between the girls. We have only released a portion of it. There are some others we think could help us but again protecting the integrity of the investigation is key so we cannot release everything because there are certain people that know the details and if we release it all then we get into false confessions,” said Sgt. Holeman.

http://fox59.com/2017/08/14/lead-de...ave-more-audio-from-teens-phone-dna-evidence/

"

Today I read " First Sergeant Jerry Holeman graduates from FBI National Academy...12.15.17."
Hopefully he will be allowed to find justice for those sweet angels Abby and Libby.

 

[Jabarn]

I think they purposely put an uncommon and inaccurate hat on the sketch so they wouldn't get a thousand tips about some guy who wears a ball cap or a camo hat--that way they could instead get tips where the tipster reports seeing or knowing someone with a similar face to the sketch. This type of tip would be more valid as I'm assuming that most outdoorsy men in the Delphi area own a cap, but few own a newsboy style hat.

Could be, although it did send me down a rat hole for another guy from Indiana arrested for crimes against young girls, who wore a newsboy hat like the one in the sketch on one of his media sites, and was caught in my general area last summer. No word on what happened to him in the media. All that to say, the public will look at every detail, and they are paying attention.

 

[MistyWaters]

They clearly have a recording of some kind as they got that still from it. But I am questioning if they have as much as was originally hinted at.

Why release only 3 words from the recording if they have a lot more?

I know a lot of us are curious but if LE released more or everything they have, if the perp blabbed or if someone really does know what occurred, then LE would have no means of determining if the information is first hand or otherwise.

And while LE often mentions false confessions, I think they mean false tips as well. Withholding details gives LE the means to ensure nobody is wrongfully convicted.

JMO

 

[Jax49]

Does anyone know where the Dr. Phil show is filmed?

 

[Deleted member 278]

Does anyone know where the Dr. Phil show is filmed?

California

 

[TheVisual]

Yes, he wasn’t being a paternal figure, from what I can tell. I know people here are tired of hearing about him, and nothing coming from it. I get that.
By the way, the picture bushnell posted above of the camouflage baseball cap. I tried to reply to it, and I just got the quote from the reply (which was great!)
A camouflage baseball cap was how I saw it from day one. I am open to suggestion, and memories can morph and change, but that was the first thing I thought when seeing the bulk on the head of the BG snap of the still from Libby’s phone. Still very impressed with her.

Same here. I think that the bill is pinched tightly. I'll bet BG has it in his back pocket some of the time with the bill part stuck down in the pocket and that is why it is so tight. I'd be looking for someone who does this, it is the way BG wears HIS cap.

 

[mtnlites]

Does anyone know where the Dr. Phil show is filmed?

It used to be filmed in Chicago. Not sure about now.

 

[MistyWaters]

Practising inserting photos but also noticing BGs beard because I think it's the beard that draws resemblance to other men. Google tells me the style is called a circle beard, not a goatee, because the moustache and the beard are joined. I notice BG isn't otherwise clean shaven, either two or three days growth or an intentional rugged look.

I'm don't really have a point to make other than he doesn't look to me to be someone who's homeless because of his style of beard.