IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #10

[jjenny]

How are you sure they're not? I think this board would be a little different if we were privvy to what leads LE is pursuing.

If they were looking for this "mystery man" why wouldn't they show us the sketch? Just like they showed us the photos of the truck.

 

[JeannaT]

I thought the 338 sighting said that she was falling down, hitting her head, and then the guy walked away with her slung over his shoulders. I would say that is either unconscious or pretty close to it.

I also don't think it is proven she walked away from JR's, but I still cannot come up with an explanation for JR claiming she was with him when she wasn't. Or MB. MB also said she went over to JR's. Why would they both be lying? What would the incentive be? Money?

Absolutely. That defies belief. He wouldn't claim she was there if she wasn't, even if he's guilty of harming her. She was there, that much I am sure of.

 

[Blythe]

If they were looking for this "mystery man" why wouldn't they show us the sketch? Just like they showed us the photos of the truck.

Cause they know who he is and don't want him to lawyer up?

 

[bx2]

I thought the 338 sighting said that she was falling down, hitting her head, and then the guy walked away with her slung over his shoulders. I would say that is either unconscious or pretty close to it.

I also don't think it is proven she walked away from JR's, but I still cannot come up with an explanation for JR claiming she was with him when she wasn't. Or MB. MB also said she went over to JR's. Why would they both be lying? What would the incentive be? Money?

Maybe if I give a scenario it will help people understand how this account could be true without breaking the timeline or accounts we've been given.

2:51 - spotted by video in the alley walking north
***start scenario***
2:55 - arrive at CR/MB
3:15 - walk out of CR/MB, MB sees her leave
3:16 - starts to walk home, goes up to College, turns right
3:35 - spotted walking by stranger
3:38 - spotted by eyewitness at 10th and College, LS is visibly drunk, stranger acting like he needs to take her home
3:45 - stranger leaves to continue on his way
3:50 - LS comes to a realization that she doesn't have phone or keys and thinks, where has she been earlier in the night.
4:00 - arrives at her friend, JR to ask about missing items
4:15 - phone call to DR
4:30 - leaves JR

next morning reported missing. MB talks to his neighbor and friend JR about the missing girl who was at JR's earlier that night (at 1am when they were all at JRs). JR tells MB he saw her again late that night around 4. MB tells LE, she left my place *to go to JRs*.

 

[jjenny]

Cause they know who he is and don't want him to lawyer up?

How could they possibly know him? They've already said they don't have any video of this supposed encounter between LS and this "mystery man."

 

[JeannaT]

Maybe if I give a scenario it will help people understand how this account could be true without breaking the timeline or accounts we've been given.

2:51 - spotted by video in the alley walking north
***start scenario***
2:55 - arrive at CR/MB
3:15 - walk out of CR/MB, MB sees her leave
3:16 - starts to walk home, goes up to College, turns right
3:35 - spotted walking by stranger
3:38 - spotted by eyewitness at 10th and College, LS is visibly drunk, stranger acting like he needs to take her home
3:45 - stranger leaves to continue on his way
3:50 - LS comes to a realization that she doesn't have phone or keys and thinks, where has she been earlier in the night.
4:00 - arrives at her friend, JR to ask about missing items
4:15 - phone call to DR
4:30 - leaves JR

next morning reported missing. MB talks to his neighbor and friend JR about the missing girl who was at JR's earlier that night (at 1am when they were all at JRs). JR tells MB he saw her again late that night around 4. MB tells LE, she left my place *to go to JRs*.

Your scenario still leaves it a total red herring for her encounter with the mystery dark skinned man. In your scenario, she left him and continued on to JR's apartment. So even though technically it might be true that some stranger grabbed her and slung her over his shoulder (in my opinion, extremely doubtful) it still didn't impact the outcome. She still made it to JR's apartment.

 

[elmomom]

For those that think the 338 sighting is true, how did she go from banging her head on the ground, unconscious, and a stranger slinging her around to JR's apartment? A friend of JR? If you think she never went to JR's why would he fabricate her being over there? I am curious because I am not creative enough to make that sighting fit other evidence we have.

I do not know the answer to this but I can give you a feasible scenario. Let's assume the witness is correct, just off on the time or place. First of all what don't know is more than what we do about this encounter. Like, was anyone else there (like JR?) Was he just inside an apartment for a moment in the vicinity? Let's for this scenario say that JR was there as well. Or around the vicinity. Maybe LS/JR took a stroll to another building to make a transaction. So now you have LS, JR and the Mystery man all around the same vicinity of LS. LS is clearly incapacitated. The two people escort her back to JRs and she does not get better. And in fact she gets worse, much worse. And we all know the rest of the theory - she really doesn't walk out of JRs on her own volition.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe if I give a scenario it will help people understand how this account could be true without breaking the timeline or accounts we've been given.

2:51 - spotted by video in the alley walking north
***start scenario***
2:55 - arrive at CR/MB
3:15 - walk out of CR/MB, MB sees her leave
3:16 - starts to walk home, goes up to College, turns right
3:35 - spotted walking by stranger
3:38 - spotted by eyewitness at 10th and College, LS is visibly drunk, stranger acting like he needs to take her home
3:45 - stranger leaves to continue on his way
3:50 - LS comes to a realization that she doesn't have phone or keys and thinks, where has she been earlier in the night.
4:00 - arrives at her friend, JR to ask about missing items
4:15 - phone call to DR
4:30 - leaves JR

next morning reported missing. MB talks to his neighbor and friend JR about the missing girl who was at JR's earlier that night (at 1am when they were all at JRs). JR tells MB he saw her again late that night around 4. MB tells LE, she left my place *to go to JRs*.

So in your scenario, even though she was completely out of it during her encounter with the mystery man who at one point slung her over his shoulder, he left and she managed to get back to JR's? And then LE comes out and says it doesn't fit into the timeline? And they don't have any video to support it. By the way LE was talking, I interpreted it as if they do have the video of the area, but no encounter such as this occurred at 3:38 am.

 

[bx2]

Your scenario still leaves it a total red herring for her encounter with the mystery dark skinned man. In your scenario, she left him and continued on to JR's apartment. So even though technically it might be true that some stranger grabbed her and slung her over his shoulder (in my opinion, extremely doubtful) it still didn't impact the outcome. She still made it to JR's apartment.

Right. I'm not saying I believe this is what happened, only that it could be. I don't know what may or may not have happened with the stranger, but it shouldn't be discounted because it could still be a part of what happened to her.

 

[jjenny]

Your scenario still leaves it a total red herring for her encounter with the mystery dark skinned man. In your scenario, she left him and continued on to JR's apartment. So even though technically it might be true that some stranger grabbed her and slung her over his shoulder (in my opinion, extremely doubtful) it still didn't impact the outcome. She still made it to JR's apartment.

And I interpreted the press-conference the exact same way you did. He seem to have been saying they do have a video of the area but don't have anything on video such as described at 3:38 am.

 

[Blythe]

Maybe if I give a scenario it will help people understand how this account could be true without breaking the timeline or accounts we've been given.

2:51 - spotted by video in the alley walking north
***start scenario***
2:55 - arrive at CR/MB
3:15 - walk out of CR/MB, MB sees her leave
3:16 - starts to walk home, goes up to College, turns right
3:35 - spotted walking by stranger
3:38 - spotted by eyewitness at 10th and College, LS is visibly drunk, stranger acting like he needs to take her home
3:45 - stranger leaves to continue on his way
3:50 - LS comes to a realization that she doesn't have phone or keys and thinks, where has she been earlier in the night.
4:00 - arrives at her friend, JR to ask about missing items
4:15 - phone call to DR
4:30 - leaves JR

next morning reported missing. MB talks to his neighbor and friend JR about the missing girl who was at JR's earlier that night (at 1am when they were all at JRs). JR tells MB he saw her again late that night around 4. MB tells LE, she left my place *to go to JRs*.

Unless JR is involved in her disappearance actually between 3:30 - 4:00 and wants to confirm she was around later.

 

[Darcyline]

So the stranger stops her, slings her around over his shoulders and walks for a bit, and then puts her down, leaves, and then her head clears and she walks on to JR's?
I don't know. It doesn't seem that plausible to me? But, I suppose none of us have the knowledge to say definitively either way. I still vote that the bartender saw someone else or even saw someone else on a different day. I teach some college classes and, to be honest, Lauren looks like all of my students. They are all cute, small, and blonde. I can see how that would happen especially when there is a high profile case like this.

 

[bx2]

So in your scenario, even though she was completely out of it during her encounter with the mystery man who at one point slung her over his shoulder, he left and she managed to get back to JR's? And then LE comes out and says it doesn't fit into the timeline? And they don't have any video to support it. By the way LE was talking, I interpreted it as if they do have the video of the area, but no encounter such as this occurred at 3:38 am.

The *eyewitness* reports her as being completely out of it, but we can't be sure of what her actual mental state was. Like I've mentioned before, if there is a camera that shows that corner, I will again be more than happy to say this didn't exist.

 

[JeannaT]

Right. I'm not saying I believe this is what happened, only that it could be. I don't know what may or may not have happened with the stranger, but it shouldn't be discounted because it could still be a part of what happened to her.

It could be, except they have video of the area in question apparently, and this doesn't appear on their video.

I don't know what to make of it. The witness mistook what day she saw this, what time, I don't know.

 

[elmomom]

How could they possibly know him? They've already said they don't have any video of this supposed encounter between LS and this "mystery man." AT THAT TIME AND THAT PLACE.

Respectfully inserted the proper ending to you statement according to what LE told us.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I'm just gonna put this out there as it is something that has been, albeit in the back of mind for some time now.. And since the length of how long several of the players knew each other is being discussed intermittently throughout these last few pages...

Does anyone else find it not really adding up for them that according to HT they had just met CR/MB thru JR at the Indy 500 which actually wasn't 2 weeks prior as reported but rather only 3-4days prior on May 29th..

Yet, again according to HT Lauren was very familiar with and in hanging out at and with JR.. As HT had known him for quite some time and Lauren therefor knew Jay thru HT.. As well as adding that infact in the past year her and Lauren hung out with and at Jay's apt( her reasoning for telling this was that nothing unusual and that LSvwould be perfectly comfortable walking to 5 North Townhomes as this is somewhere they regularly hung out..)

So in all of that hanging out over a years time they had never known or partied with his neighbor 2 doors down CR/MB just as they all did that night before LS heading to Kilroy's with CR..

Just another strange, odd, not really adding up statement from HT..

Anyone?

 

[jjenny]

The *eyewitness* reports her as being completely out of it, but we can't be sure of what her actual mental state was. Like I've mentioned before, if there is a camera that shows that corner, I will again be more than happy to say this didn't exist.

Well do we know if there is a camera there or not?

 

[porchpile]

As I've said before, 10th & College is a stone's throw from 5 North (and downhill, no lesss). She could have been partying at 5 North (in the street even, who knows--maybe it was an official after hours party), saw a buddy (AA?) walking up the street, ran down to say hi, got slung over mystery man's shoulder, then walked back up to 5 North. These college parties spill out into the streets.

I don't necessarily believe in the 3:38 sighting, but it's completey plausible with the existing timeling, imo.

 

[jjenny]

As I've said before, 10th & College is a stone's throw from 5 North (and downhill, no lesss). She could have been partying at 5 North (in the street even, who knows--maybe it was an official after hours party), saw a buddy (AA?) walking up the street, ran down to say hi, got slung over mystery man's shoulder, then walked back up to 5 North. These college parties spill out into the streets.

I don't necessarily believe in the 3:38 sighting, but it's completey plausible with the existing timeling, imo.

How is it possible with the existing timeline? Even LE said it doesn't fit.

 

[bunnyesq.]

If they were looking for this "mystery man" why wouldn't they show us the sketch? Just like they showed us the photos of the truck.

I can't answer that. I don't know what fuels their decision to release certain information and kept other info private.