Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #79

[TotallyObsessed]

Respectfully snipped by me.

MA, he may have read something like this:

http://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/...earch-today-how-to-cross-examine-a-sociopath/

Somebody else posted this awhile back. It's fascinating reading. Be sure and read the comments, too.

Holy Moly. I am reading that article now. I have a couple of questions that occur to me:

Quote:

[B]sociopaths recognize and protect each other. If at all possible screen the jury to prevent the seating of fellow sociopaths.[/B]

Regarding some of these "support Jodi" or "Casey is Innocent" sites....:what: I wonder if "like types" or "fellow sociopaths" are the majority of people who go to those forums, etc.???

Also, Quote:

[I]What’s important to them are the emotions behind the words, words themselves are simply tools[/I]

What in the world would happen if Juan were to somehow trigger JA with a statement regarding "a 5 year old can handle a camera better than you." :what: I can't help but think that set her off.

 

[scorpio24]

And didn't she say it wasn't from a glass but slid it on METAL!

Swear that was her testimony!

You know what...You are RIGHT! The metal she mentioned could equal the gun slide! Gee whiz. Great catch! I never would have thought of that.

Another direction my mind went was: What if she wasn't very accurate when she was test firing? Those little guns can be tricky. I know people who are far more accurate with 9mm than smaller weapons. What if she realized, "Wow! Hitting a target isn't as easy as I thought!" And THAT'S when she decided a knife was the way to go. Can't misfire with that, really. :twocents:

 

[Ellie1331]

In addition, I think about the gas reciepts from Winnemucca,NV. Travelling east in the rental car from Northern CA, it isn't on the way to anywhere. She was trying to run ou the tank to see how much it held, maybe?

 

[RadarLuv]

Yes that is a great presentation and I believe the last scenario is the true one!

I think it is a decent re-enactment, only in their scenario they have him rolling over, then crawling 3 feet AFTER she slit his throat to the spine....I DON'T THINK SO....

 

[LizardQueen74]

And didn't she say it wasn't from a glass but slid it on METAL!

Swear that was her testimony!
(Why I think Juan knows its a gun injury. Like how you explained it)

Her testiphony was that the glasses are pulled from the dishwasher hot and they cannot use them to serve drinks when hot. So they have a shelf where they inefficiently handle this. They put the hot glasses in the back and move them up as used...giving them time to cool. She claims to be putting glasses in the back or moving some up...and in reaching she "clipped" the metal shelf and, therefore, cutting her finger.

 

[nightwatch]

I hate to post this because I am giving myself away - grin! But, I mean FLUSTERED. He showed annoyance, but considering that ALL of us (myself included) wanted to throw ourselves across the stand and scream some sense into her on EVERY question, I felt like he kept it holstered really, really well.

I do have to agree with all of you, he showed some annoyance. But, having been in similar positions with nonsense lying, all I could see was such admirable restraint.

But, yes, out of ALL the MANY provocations, he did let some annoyance through once or twice....

i read on one of the threads that jm has been working this case from the very beginning 7/2008 is it possible that in a small way it has become personal? to finally be able to question ja and know she is a liar some irritation with ja would show through. jm has been staring at those crime scene photos for a long time. :moo:

 

[Linda From New York]

I don't think ASDC Perryville is a cakewalk ... I'm sure there are some tough girls in there that just might not like Arias. Plus no more manicures, trips to PPL functions, Starbucks, In-n-Out Burgers, Pacific Coast Highway, Ebay sales of drawings, and best of all ... no more photography.

Thank you for making me feel better about LWOP!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

She really gets to have it both ways. By feigning/inventing the fog/memory loss and invoking it whenever she wants, she's essentially getting to testify ONLY to what she wants. If she doesn't like a question or thinks it will be incriminating she can say she doesn't remember.

Move over 5th amendment. Now you can invoke your right to selectively forget...but still have the apparent benefit of telling your side of the story. It won't work imo but you'd think the legal system would prevent this somehow, especially since she has no diagnosis I'm aware of.

 

[CJae]

As a veteran trial watcher, I can assure you that this has happened before. I posted about a suicidologist in the Mark Jensen trial who did a professional 180 when presented with ALL the facts and documents.

There will be a big problem if they only spoke with Jodi. Garbage-in-garbage-out applies. They may have spoken to others, who they will have to name when they testify.

It will be up to Juan Martinez to call into question whether there was any legitimate corroboration of what Jodi told them.

If they are "legit" experts as was the suicidologist, they will admit if their decisions were based on Jodi's self-reporting. We all know that, at this point, Jodi has zero credibility. They don't want to ruin their reputations if they are honest.

I remember a blood analyst for the defendant being turned into a states witness. On the ID channel just recently. A doctor went home between surgeries to kill his wife. It was horrible. Strangled and bludgeoned while naked in her bathroom

During the cross the state asked if there was anything they missed and he had to answer yes! There was blood spatter on the insides of his sleeves at the cuffs!

OMG! That was another Perry Mason moment and cemented it for the jury!

 

[Nosey Parker]

So much going on I hope I am saying the right things on the right days - JA testified she asked him about his roommates' whereabouts before she got there so she would know how loud or quiet they could be in his room. Others here thought it was to determine if they would be there or not. Is that right, peeps?

A lot of things surrounding, and on, that day we will probably never know. Only Arias knows now, and she ain't telling.

One thing I've learned from this trial is whatever was in her own best interests is most likely the truth.

ETA: Wait - maybe I mean is most likely a lie? Call me confused!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

She really gets to have it both ways. By feigning/inventing the fog/memory loss and invoking it whenever she wants, she's essentially getting to testify ONLY to what she wants. If she doesn't like a question or thinks it will be incriminating she can say she doesn't remember.

Move over 5th amendment. Now you can invoke your right to selectively forget...but still have the apparent benefit of telling your side of the story. It won't work imo but you'd think the legal system would prevent this somehow, especially since she has no diagnosis I'm aware of.

You know what .. it's so blatantly transparent it only works in the prosecutions favour. I have no problem with it whatsoever, it's laughable.

 

[CJae]

Her testiphony was that the glasses are pulled from the dishwasher hot and they cannot use them to serve drinks when hot. So they have a shelf where they inefficiently handle this. They put the hot glasses in the back and move them up as used...giving them time to cool. She claims to be putting glasses in the back or moving some up...and in reaching she "clipped" the metal shelf and, therefore, cutting her finger.

:floorlaugh:her testiphony!:floorlaugh:

Yup. She prolly pinched it shooting the gun. And she darn well knows she got him and where!

 

[neenee15]

What I remember is one of the roomates told the detective that he was there and spent the night at the house on June 3 and left on June 4 either for work or for something else, but came back around 3-4 and left again. He did not see HER that day, or knew that she was there...unless I missed something, anybody else recall?

That is why JM was pinning JA down on the 2:00 time she said that she put luggage in car, before roomate got home...Again where was her car??

 

[Softail]

You know, I have never seen opening statements. Are they on video? I thought they were only transcribed somewhere. TIA

I had not seen them either. I did find this audio only. It is missing the first 15 minutes... but better than nothing.



[video=youtube;1Fn7WHx4TCw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fn7WHx4TCw[/video]

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Here is what I want for Christmas and I won't ask for anything else.

For Mr Martinez to already be in talks with both the Psychologist and Ms LaViolette and they are on the same page..

The end...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

And didn't she say it wasn't from a glass but slid it on METAL!

Swear that was her testimony!
(Why I think Juan knows its a gun injury. Like how you explained it)

BBM:

:seeya: You are correct --- I just watched the video ... She corrected Mr. M and said she hurt her hand on something METAL ...

GUN = METAL ... or ... METAL = GUN

Yep ... no doubt now ! I think Mr. M has it !

See, somehow, Jodi mixes in just a teeny tiny bit of the truth in there so she can keep track of ALL those BIG LIES ... KWIM ?

:seeya:

 

[neenee15]

i read on one of the threads that jm has been working this case from the very beginning 7/2008 is it possible that in a small way it has become personal? to finally be able to question ja and know she is a liar some irritation with ja would show through. jm has been staring at those crime scene photos for a long time. :moo:

Yes I agree with that...I believe he definately takes it personal, especially at the level JA has gone too with all of her accusations, I and killing him and his family over and over again.

I loved it when the judge was talking about them reviewing the juror question and JM asked if the family could review with him, as he represents and speaks for Travis!!
Love, love!!

 

[neenee15]

I had not seen them either. I did find this audio only. It is missing the first 15 minutes... but better than nothing.



Jodi Aris Trial : Day 1 : Opening Arguments (No Sidebars) - YouTube

Look on you tube they have opening statements on there but I believe it's just audio, I listened to them the other day, they are great!!

 

[CJae]

You know what .. it's so blatantly transparent it only works in the prosecutions favour. I have no problem with it whatsoever, it's laughable.

So very true. Through their questions they were calling her out on her memory a LOT!

BTW, some of your short concise posts yesterday had me ROFL. I hope we aren't completely discouraged from humor as some days it's such a De-Stressor!
(Is that even a word, lol)

 

[Davia18]

Ya know what bugs me about this case.

I do believe she will be found guilty of 1st degree. And if she doesn't get the DP, it is supposedly a "win" for the defense. :waitasec:

If she gets Life, a person like her, and probably like most convicts, will "adapt" (and will win more "singing contests"). While the victim is still dead and the family is still without a brother.

Juries scare me after the CA debacle. (And no. I am NOT comparing this trial and crime to that case).

What happened to the good ole days of bread & water and hardships for convicts?

Just thinking out loud....

Agree, she has already adapted. Also saw on HLN yesterday or this morning can't remember which that if gets 1st degree could get 10 years and with time served could be out in less than 5 years. That thought made me ill and my bf believes this will happen YIKES